CO-06: Why Jason Crow represents everything that's wrong with the DCCC and Establishment Democrats

tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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ttystikk said:
My contention is that they drove themselves into that ditch by;
  1. Failing to listen to their constituents
  2. Ignoring down ticket races for several terms, leading to the loss of over 1000 seats in the last 8 years
  3. Perceived abuses in the nomination process including the 'superdelegate' bullshit
  4. Taking corporate money and thereby failing to differentiate themselves from the opposition
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Well then, you're only looking at a small piece of the story, the part that appeals to you.

And not as objectively as I'd like, but that's up to you and your personal biases.

(which everyone has, by the way.)
 
kelly4

kelly4

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tangerinegreen555 said:
The country is what's in a ditch.


The DNC is a tow truck that could get it back on the road.

Or you can bitch that it isn't far enough to the left and be happy with things as they are. There's not a lot of viable choices here right now. You know who controls the seats.
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The DNC was a giant pothole that blew a tire causing us to go in the ditch.

People didn't vote for Trump cuz he's awesome, but people did chose to not vote for Hillary cuz she sucked.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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st0wandgrow said:
True, but she ran against Trump for fuck sake. Obama would have crushed Trump if he could have ran for a 3'rd term.

Hillary sucked. There is no good excuse to explain how she did not clobber the talking carrot.
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So you're saying she should have won by 6 million, 7 million, what?

kelly4 said:
There's no flaw...it could have been more.
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So you're saying she should won by 6 million, 7 million, what?


3 million should be enough and would be enough anywhere else.

Somebody complain that 'the people aren't being heard' now.

Are people all equal?

Are votes all equal?
 
kelly4

kelly4

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tangerinegreen555 said:
So you're saying she should have won by 6 million, 7 million, what?



So you're saying she should won by 6 million, 7 million, what?


3 million should be enough and would be enough anywhere else.

Somebody complain that 'the people aren't being heard' now.

Are people all equal?

Are votes all equal?
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I thought I was being pretty clear. I'm saying that some people didn't vote for her cuz she was a shitty choice.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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kelly4 said:
The DNC was a giant pothole that blew a tire causing us to go in the ditch.

People didn't vote for Trump cuz he's awesome, but people did chose to not vote for Hillary cuz she sucked.
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Why do we just look at this as if Republicans and conservative voters had nothing to do with it?

when asked,
35% say they are conservative
25% say they are liberal
40% say not sure

Liberal Democrats are a minority in this country yet we talk as if Democrats are the majority.

The Republican party has right wing radio blaring conservospeak for 30 years and Faux News for about 15 years. "Obamacare" was weaponized to be used against Democrats in 2016. I mean, that shit was expensive the GOP congress had done it's utmost to damage it. Yet, when GOP finally had everything in place, the super majority of voters said: we hate Obamacare but you'd better not touch the ACA.

Sure, Democratic party leaders keep fumbling the ball when handed to them but they had a formidable opponent. And it wasn't a game either. Not played that way too.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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st0wandgrow said:
True, but she ran against Trump for fuck sake. Obama would have crushed Trump if he could have ran for a 3'rd term.

Hillary sucked. There is no good excuse to explain how she did not clobber the talking carrot.
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Aside from Berners and their maxim: "Give us Bernie or we'll give you Trump!". That and
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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tangerinegreen555 said:
So you're saying she should have won by 6 million, 7 million, what?



So you're saying she should won by 6 million, 7 million, what?


3 million should be enough and would be enough anywhere else.

Somebody complain that 'the people aren't being heard' now.

Are people all equal?

Are votes all equal?
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I'm saying that the EC is what matters. Everybody, including Hillary knew this from jump st. Everything else is just excuse making.

Does a baseball team contest a game that they lost 6-4 because they out hit their opponent 12-10?
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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st0wandgrow said:
I'm saying that the EC is what matters. Everybody, including Hillary knew this from jump st. Everything else is just excuse making.

Does a baseball team contest a game that they lost 6-4 because they out hit their opponent 12-10?
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Horrible analogy.

Try this one.

Baseball team wins 10-8 but the other team wins because they scored more in the 5th and 7th innings.

Much closer. You're welcome.

AND, the 'people' aren't heard if a bunch of politicized 'electors' do the actual voting.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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st0wandgrow said:
I'm saying that the EC is what matters. Everybody, including Hillary knew this from jump st. Everything else is just excuse making.

Does a baseball team contest a game that they lost 6-4 because they out hit their opponent 12-10?
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That helped Berntards throw it to Trump.

"Give us Bernie or we'll give you Trump!"
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Horrible analogy.

Try this one.

Baseball team wins 10-8 but the other team wins because they scored more in the 5th and 7th innings.

Much closer. You're welcome.

AND, the 'people' aren't heard if a bunch of politicized 'electors' do the actual voting.
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lol, my analogy is spot on. What determines who wins a baseball game is who gets more runs. Period

What determines who wins a presidential election is who gets more EC votes. Period.

Now, I can understand and agree with the argument that the EC system of choosing a potus is antiquated and needs to be changed, but until that happens the EC votes are what count. Everything else is excuse making.
 
tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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st0wandgrow said:
lol, my analogy is spot on. What determines who wins a baseball game is who gets more runs. Period

What determines who wins a presidential election is who gets more EC votes. Period.

Now, I can understand and agree with the argument that the EC system of choosing a potus is antiquated and needs to be changed, but until that happens the EC votes are what count. Everything else is excuse making.
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Bullshit.

Don't you bunch of Bernie fiends ever mention the people aren't being heard again.

2 elections out of the last 5 and that's OK?

The people aren't being heard alright.

And your analogy fucking sucks. Mine was realistic compared to the actual event.
I voted for Bernie in the primary, dropped him like a hot potato when he lost by 16%.

Too soon for his ideas. Try again in 20 years.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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tangerinegreen555 said:
Bullshit.

Don't you bunch of Bernie fiends ever mention the people aren't being heard again.

2 elections out of the last 5 and that's OK?

The people aren't being heard alright.

And your analogy fucking sucks. Mine was realistic compared to the actual event.
I voted for Bernie in the primary, dropped him like a hot potato when he lost by 16%.

Too soon for his ideas. Try again in 20 years.
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What's "bullshit"? Break my post down, using words, not feelings.

Where did I say that I'm ok with dems losing 2 of the last 5 elections due to the EC? I said that the EC votes are what matter. It does not matter how upset that makes you. It does not matter if you consider that unfair. Obama had a strategy, and he executed that strategy knowing full well what the rules of the game were. Hillary couldn't even be bothered to campaign is states like MI and WI.... and ended up losing those fucking states, and ultimately the election.

She did make time to give some paid speeches to Wall st execs though! :roll:
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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twostrokenut said:
it was a verbatim quote, your "miscast" accusation is indicative of being here too many hours a day....

wash my balls after you make my sandwich, I will not be handing you any participation trophies.
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I don't own any micro manipulation tools.
 
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