Trump: Transgender people 'can't serve' in US military

[ttystikk]

You know what's wrong with your facts..?:

There are 2400 transgender currently serving in our armed forces.

They've got balls!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

 

[TacoMac]

there are currently 15,000+ transgender military members you retarded bigot.

You really are a completely hopeless drama queen:

A mid-range estimate states that 2,450 active duty service members and 1,510 members in the U.S. reserves may be transgender, according to the study.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/numbers-transgender-individuals-serving-us-military/story?id=48869563

The truth is, nobody knows. My estimate is based on actual percentages of the population, not drama queening like yours is. That estimate above assumes that .17% of all transgenders join the military. I find that highly, highly unlikely given the discrimination they already face. I mean, what are the odds that the military has three times the number of transgender people than the rest of the civilian population does? Because that is exactly what the ABC estimate is saying.

Transgenders make up .6% of the population overall. I find it very difficult to believe that they actually make up over 1.5% of the military as you suggest they do.

In fact, of all the completely moronic, unfounded, drama queening posts of yours, that one takes the cake.

 

[ANC]

 

[chemphlegm]

No one who is patriotic, courageous, and selfless enough to serve in the armed forces should be denied that opportunity because of who they are.

...or who they pretend to be with the aid of gubment funded genital mutilation and anabolic steroids and estrogen in order to qualify for military combat. I bet the soldiers, ones who healthily identify with their birth sex, are forbidden to take steroids to enhance their military performance, maybe help them survive dangerous encounters.
courageous?
selfless?
patriotic?

 

[TacoMac]

Another fun fact: As far as the U.S. Military is concerned, they have exactly ZERO Transgenders. None. Not one that they know of.

So, again, what is the point?

Distraction. That is the point. If you're Trump, you throw shit out there that overall effects nobody but gets everybody's panties in a wad so that they at least temporarily forget how completely full of shit you are.

 

[ttystikk]

You really are a completely hopeless drama queen:



Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/numbers-transgender-individuals-serving-us-military/story?id=48869563

The truth is, nobody knows. My estimate is based on actual percentages of the population, not drama queening like yours is. That estimate above assumes that .17% of all transgenders join the military. I find that highly, highly unlikely given the discrimination they already face. I mean, what are the odds that the military has three times the number of transgender people than the rest of the civilian population does? Because that is exactly what the ABC estimate is saying.

Transgenders make up .6% of the population overall. I find it very difficult to believe that they actually make up over 1.5% of the military as you suggest they do.

In fact, of all the completely moronic, unfounded, drama queening posts of yours, that one takes the cake.

As you said yourself at the top of this very post, 'no one knows'. An argument can be made for the idea that transgendered people feel strongly that they have something to prove to themselves and therefore would seek out military service in numbers disproportionate to their population percentage.

We just don't know.

And frankly the number is irrelevant. This entire discussion has completely failed to cast any reasonable doubt on how well they'd do their jobs.

The cost of gender reassignment surgery is such a small drop in the ocean of defense spending that the only way this is an issue is to distract the nation's attention from other matters far more relevant to our daily lives, such as the evisceration of the Affordable Care Act.

 

[ttystikk]

Another fun fact: As far as the U.S. Military is concerned, they have exactly ZERO Transgenders. None. Not one that they know of.

So, again, what is the point?

Distraction. That is the point. If you're Trump, you throw shit out there that overall effects nobody but gets everybody's panties in a wad so that they at least temporarily forget how completely full of shit you are.

Lol you beat me to it

 

[chemphlegm]

Every single transgender person I've known has been better at life than me (and I don't do too bad myself). Upon meeting a transgender person, it is safe to assume the person you're meeting is no coward right out of the gate. I can't even imagine the courage it must take to deal with those circumstances so honestly.

If I encountered a person who was begging to have their wiener cut off and a pussy glued on, one who begged for hormones to wear their mask comfortably, one who needed antidepressants just to deal with the their mental illness, one who suffered from various mental illness all their life and still do, the last thing I would consider is their courage. courage or mental illness, slippery slope eh

 

[ANC]

...Estimates show that there are between 1300 and 6000 active transgender service members, accounting for somewhere between 0.1 and 0.5 percent of active serving members. Transgender care would cost the military between 2.5 and 8.5 million dollars annually, according to a RAND corporation analysis published last year. That amounts to a healthcare expenditure increase of 0.04- to 0.13 percent.

A single F/A-18 plane costs around $70 million. Outfitting the Afghan National Army in a proprietary camouflage pattern may have cost the government $28 million. The Pentagon flushed over $100 billion in administrative money, and then tried to hide the results of an internal study reporting that fact, according to the Washington Post...

http://gizmodo.com/the-bogus-rationale-for-trumps-trans-military-ban-is-so-1797262605​

 

[ttystikk]

If I encountered a person who was begging to have their wiener cut off and a pussy glued on, one who begged for hormones to wear their mask comfortably, one who needed antidepressants just to deal with the their mental illness, one who suffered from various mental illness all their life and still do, the last thing I would consider is their courage. courage or mental illness, slippery slope eh

I'm guessing you're not very secure in your own sexuality that you'd feel so threatened by the idea.

 

[chemphlegm]

Another fun fact: As far as the U.S. Military is concerned, they have exactly ZERO Transgenders. None. Not one that they know of.

So, again, what is the point?

Distraction. That is the point. If you're Trump, you throw shit out there that overall effects nobody but gets everybody's panties in a wad so that they at least temporarily forget how completely full of shit you are.

imagine commanding an army of men only to find out they're all drugged up posers waiting for sexual reassignment on the public dime on the front line of your troops. Without the use of steroids and antidepressants, they likely would not be able to do their job as they are. could there be a possible issue with this in the mind of a General. I think so

 

[ttystikk]

...Estimates show that there are between 1300 and 6000 active transgender service members, accounting for somewhere between 0.1 and 0.5 percent of active serving members. Transgender care would cost the military between 2.5 and 8.5 million dollars annually, according to a RAND corporation analysis published last year. That amounts to a healthcare expenditure increase of 0.04- to 0.13 percent.

A single F/A-18 plane costs around $70 million. Outfitting the Afghan National Army in a proprietary camouflage pattern may have cost the government $28 million. The Pentagon flushed over $100 billion in administrative money, and then tried to hide the results of an internal study reporting that fact, according to the Washington Post...

http://gizmodo.com/the-bogus-rationale-for-trumps-trans-military-ban-is-so-1797262605​

 

[ANC]

Come on Chemy, you are better than that. Why are you concerned about someone else has in their pants?
Do you, let them do them. They are answerable for their own actions, just like you. Getting all judgemental on something that in no way concerns us, is an unnecessary burden.
My brain also used to work like yours.

Imagine....

You don't have to imagine anything. This weekend when I fixed my in-law's gate, I asked a gay guy to hold the planks together for me as he is twice my size and four times as strong.

 

[ttystikk]

imagine commanding an army of men only to find out they're all drugged up posers waiting for sexual reassignment on the public dime on the front line of your troops. Without the use of steroids and antidepressants, they likely would not be able to do their job as they are. could there be a possible issue with this in the mind of a General. I think so

...but they do their jobs just fine after being jacked up on DoD supplied amphetamines for weeks at a time during combat deployments, right?

Just admit it. The idea of gender reassignment scares the living shit out of you and that's why you have to hate it so much, isn't that closer to the truth?

 

[TacoMac]

...Estimates show that there are between 1300 and 6000 active transgender service members, accounting for somewhere between 0.1 and 0.5 percent of active serving members.​

There are presently 1.3 million active military personnel.

.5% is 6500. They can't even do the fucking math right? What's more, if .5% of the military is transgender, that would mean that 10% of all transgenders in the nation join the military.

That is a ridiculous assumption on its face.

Given the ridicule that transgenders already face, do you really think they're going to enlist in the military where they know full well they'll not only be outed, but abused and bullied endlessly and without relief?

It would be like 10% of all African Americans wanting to join the KKK for crying out loud.

My estimate takes into account not only how very, very rare transgenders are as a whole, but that they're not idiots and wouldn't sign up for the military due to the abusive nature of it to begin with.

Everybody else is assuming that transgenders just wander on in to the recruiting center in the same percentages as the rest of us.

I find that highly, highly unlikely. Not surprisingly, so does the U.S. Military, as they've never once dealt with it in their entire history.

 

[chemphlegm]

I'm guessing you're not very secure in your own sexuality that you'd feel so threatened by the idea.

thats what you took away from that? my my, that explains much.

does it take courage to cut off your dick sir? does it take courage to pretend your someone else in order to join the army? does it take courage to swallow pills all day in order to grow face hair so other guys and gals wont know your secret? I dont think those are examples of courage. I worked with the mentally challenged for years, now I post with them it seems, and the worst of the worst were those that desired to mutilate their sex organs. trust me, the worst of the worst. until drugs were given to them, antidepressants and hormones there too, then they became courageous mentally challenged people? aint gonna fly as we've witnessed right

 

[ANC]

If you meditate on this long enough you will realise, if you had a strong emotional reaction about this, the reaction was about something inside, some unaddressed fear or insecurity.

 

[TacoMac]

imagine commanding an army of men only to find out they're all drugged up posers waiting for sexual reassignment on the public dime on the front line of your troops. Without the use of steroids and antidepressants, they likely would not be able to do their job as they are. could there be a possible issue with this in the mind of a General. I think so

Not ever transgender is Bruce Jenner. You're being an idiot.

 

[chemphlegm]

...but they do their jobs just fine after being jacked up on DoD supplied amphetamines for weeks at a time during combat deployments, right?

Just admit it. The idea of gender reassignment scares the living shit out of you and that's why you have to hate it so much, isn't that closer to the truth?

right, and kings would do the same, pack their front lines with the mentally challenged, disfigured and sick folks, expendables, is that what you're implying? the mentally challenged are expendable war pieces ? thats deep man, real deep

 

[ANC]

There are presently 1.3 million active military personnel.

.5% is 6500. They can't even do the fucking math right? What's more, if .5% of the military is transgender, that would mean that 10% of all transgenders in the nation join the military.

That is a ridiculous assumption on its face.

Given the ridicule that transgenders already face, do you really think they're going to enlist in the military where they know full well they'll not only be outed, but abused and bullied endlessly and without relief?

It would be like 10% of all African Americans wanting to join the KKK for crying out loud.

My estimate takes into account not only how very, very rare transgenders are as a whole, but that they're not idiots and wouldn't sign up for the military due to the abusive nature of it to begin with.

Everybody else is assuming that transgenders just wander on in to the recruiting center in the same percentages as the rest of us.

I find that highly, highly unlikely. Not surprisingly, so does the U.S. Military, as they've never once dealt with it in their entire history.

Noone argues with you, the point of the quote was not the numbers estimate but the cost estimate, which is the reason trump stated.
As it shows even if you multiply it several fold it is still a negligible amount.