Black dog led vs kind led

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[DankaDank]

Looking to get into led heard great things about blackdog led and kind led and now I'm hearing the opposite from they actually put out alot of heat and small coverage area anyone have any input would really like to dabble in led but ONLY if it is worth the big market price



Any input will help even if it's recommending other sorce of light


Normally a sun grower** newbie to lights

Hey man hope this helps in your decision. I have taken the lights of interest to you and compared them to some I would recommend. Pricing is msrp and can vary depending on source, quantity ordered ,extras and shipping.

Black Dog PhytoMAX 1000 = 1.277 μmol/j @ $3,099.00 MSRP
Watts= 983
Not recommended

Kind LED K5 XL1000 = 1.318 μmol/j @ $1,974.00 MSRP
Watts= 648
Not recommended

Gravita Pro 1000 DE = 1.727 μmol/j @ $599.95 MSRP
Watts = 1049.8
Good price performance ratio for start up costs, Bulbs need replacement every 6-12 months, suited to warehouse or large green house grows with high ceilings, spectrum is below average

PLC 6 = 1.97µmols/j @ $799.00 MSRP
Watts = 598w
Good efficiency and spectrum, high quality build with good resistance to water/moisture very good value for money , average coverage

Timber 900 Watt Vero29 Framework = 2.0 μmol/j @ $1,399.00 MSRP
Watts = 900
Good efficiency and spectrum, excellent value for money, great coverage, not much protection from environment and build quality is not so good

HLG 550 = 2.4 μmol/j @ $1,049.00 MSRP
Watts = 515
High performance, good spectrum and coverage, average build quality.

Tasty LED T22-3000/90 = 2.6 μmol/j @ $360.00 MSRP
Watts = 196
High performance, good spectrum, multiple units can be daisy chained for excellent coverage, good build quality, pricey

ChilLED Gen 2 1000W LED = 2.7 μmol/j @ 2,199.00 MSRP
Watts= 1000
High performance, excellent spectrum , high build quality, waterproof, allows for various cooling methods, spectrum can be controlled , very pricey

 

[Stephenj37826]

Hey man hope this helps in your decision. I have taken the lights of interest to you and compared them to some I would recommend. Pricing is msrp and can vary depending on source, quantity ordered ,extras and shipping.

Black Dog PhytoMAX 1000 = 1.277 μmol/j @ $3,099.00 MSRP
Watts= 983
Not recommended

Kind LED K5 XL1000 = 1.318 μmol/j @ $1,974.00 MSRP
Watts= 648
Not recommended

Gravita Pro 1000 DE = 1.727 μmol/j @ $599.95 MSRP
Watts = 1049.8
Good price performance ratio for start up costs, Bulbs need replacement every 6-12 months, suited to warehouse or large green house grows with high ceilings, spectrum is below average

PLC 6 = 1.97µmols/j @ $799.00 MSRP
Watts = 598w
Good efficiency and spectrum, high quality build with good resistance to water/moisture very good value for money , average coverage

Timber 900 Watt Vero29 Framework = 2.0 μmol/j @ $1,399.00 MSRP
Watts = 900
Good efficiency and spectrum, excellent value for money, great coverage, not much protection from environment and build quality is not so good

HLG 550 = 2.4 μmol/j @ $1,049.00 MSRP
Watts = 515
High performance, good spectrum and coverage, average build quality.

Tasty LED T22-3000/90 = 2.6 μmol/j @ $360.00 MSRP
Watts = 196
High performance, good spectrum, multiple units can be daisy chained for excellent coverage, good build quality, pricey

ChilLED Gen 2 1000W LED = 2.7 μmol/j @ 2,199.00 MSRP
Watts= 1000
High performance, excellent spectrum , high build quality, waterproof, allows for various cooling methods, spectrum can be controlled , very pricey

You may want to confirm the umol/j of the chilled unit. 2.7 was at board level cold I believe. System levels are quite different. I'm sure it's up there though. Not knocking it at all just wanting as much accurate info as possible for the OP.

 

[DankaDank]

You may want to confirm the umol/j of the chilled unit. 2.7 was at board level cold I believe. System levels are quite different. I'm sure it's up there though. Not knocking it at all just wanting as much accurate info as possible for the OP.

whoops, you are right that is not system level , my bad.
Probably closer to 2.4 including driver and optic losses, that is if you choose to have the optics which are not really optics more like covers.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

gavitas can be found for $450 and bulbs don't need replacing every 6-12 months, mine still do great after a year and a half of 12/12

I also wonder if ANY of those lights are UL listed, Gavita is, Means it is safe for home use

UL stands for Underwriters Laboratories, an organization that has been around for more than 100 years. If you visit the UL Web site at www.ul.com, you can find the following description: "UL is a world leader in product safety testing and certification.

 

[DankaDank]

gavitas can be found for $350 and bulbs don't need replacing every 6-12 months, mine still do great after a year and a half of 12/12

I also wonder if ANY of those lights are UL listed, Gavita is, Means it is safe for home use

UL stands for Underwriters Laboratories, an organization that has been around for more than 100 years. If you visit the UL Web site at www.ul.com, you can find the following description: "UL is a world leader in product safety testing and certification.

Why don't you find out for me which ones are and are not UL listed so we can know ? If you feel there is a safety issue with some of the lights please tell us what the issues are .

You are looking at around a 5% loss in light in a year from the bulb and reflector (which is very good). The loss of harvest weight would likely outweigh the cost of a new bulb and reflector.

Why don't you try contribute something useful .

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

Why don't you find out for me which ones are and are not UL listed so we can know ? If you feel there is a safety issue with some of the lights please tell us what the issues are .

You are looking at around a 5% loss in light in a year from the bulb and reflector (which is very good). The loss of harvest weight would likely outweigh the cost of a new bulb and reflector.

Why don't you try contribute something useful .

I am the ONLY one that contributed something useful, THE TRUTH, not the inflated BS you guys have done for years. AND i did look, and NOT ONE of those LED lights is UL listed.
I'm still getting the same yields with the same bulbs as when I first got them. you are full of shit, because you NEVER used DE.

 

[Tim Fox]

blurple verses blurple,,, no thanks

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

let's see, A stoner can build his own lights or have some stoner in his garage build them for him and pay a fortune..
or he can buy a UL safety approved light with a proven track record, so much so that the biggest corp in the world bought them. I know Which stoner I would want to live next to.

 

[Tim Fox]

let's see, A stoner can build his own lights or have some stoner in his garage build them for him and pay a fortune..
or he can buy a UL safety approved light with a proven track record, so much so that the biggest corp in the world bought them. I know Which stoner I would want to live next to.

UL approved hum,,, so they looked at one light,, then said ok sure,, then off to China they go,, where the super poor and malnurshied build the so called UL approved lights,, that malfunction constantly,, burn up,, burn out diodes,, over heat,, fans sieze,, no thanks,, ill take meanwell drivers, and qualitly with fuses that i build myself anyday,, at least i know its done RIGHT!!!

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

UL approved hum,,, so they looked at one light,, then said ok sure,, then off to China they go,, where the super poor and malnurshied build the so called UL approved lights,, that malfunction constantly,, burn up,, burn out diodes,, over heat,, fans sieze,, no thanks,, ill take meanwell drivers, and qualitly with fuses that i build myself anyday,, at least i know its done RIGHT!!!

there is no LED that i know of that is UL listed. EVERY electrical device worth a shit in america is pretty much UL listed.
and trust me, these guys would kill for that UL listing

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

found one
https://allgreenhydroponics.com/collections/ul-and-etl-listed-led-grow-lights/products/nextlight-mega-full-spectrum-led-grow-light

 

[PilouPilou]

When you build a DIY light all the components you use are already UL or CE listed (for EU)... the only thing that is not UL/CE listed is the connections you make between these components... +/-... +/-... +/-...
A UL or CE certification cost few hundred $ in Asia or India.. you can build your light in EU or US and send it to Asia to obtain your certification.

 

[DankaDank]

I am the ONLY one that contributed something useful

Not seeing it man, sorry

THE TRUTH, not the inflated BS you guys have done for years

What do you mean by inflated BS, Do you mean the scientific evidence that LED is better than HID in every aspect except cost? Which is only improving?

NOT ONE of those LED lights is UL listed

I will take your word for this, But you are aware that this in an emerging market in early development and these are growing companies that will soon be able afford the high cost and difficulty of UL certs. Like I said these products are safe if you don't think so please elaborate. The drivers are all UL listed and it seems to me you are bringing this up not because of safety concerns but more because you have some kind of extreme hatred for LED like it fucked your mom or something.

I'm still getting the same yields with the same bulbs as when I first got them

You have been growing the same strain, same amount of plants with the same reflector and bulb for 1 and half years and get the same weight? I call BS .

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

When you build a DIY light all the components you use are already UL or CE listed (for EU)... the only thing that is not UL/CE listed is the connections you make between these components... +/-... +/-... +/-...
A UL or CE certification cost few hundred $ in Asia or India.. you can build your light in EU or US and send it to Asia to obtain your certification.

Yeah, Some stoner puts the parts together and it's suddenly UL listed? Yeah, right. WHY do you think ALL those other companies don't have it, if it is so easy to get?

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

Not seeing it man, sorry




What do you mean by inflated BS, Do you mean the scientific evidence that LED is better than HID in every aspect except cost? Which is only improving?




I will take your word for this, But you are aware that this in an emerging market in early development and these are growing companies that will soon be able afford the high cost and difficulty of UL certs. Like I said these products are safe if you don't think so please elaborate. The drivers are all UL listed and it seems to me you are bringing this up not because of safety concerns but more because you have some kind of extreme hatred for LED like it fucked your mom or something.



You have been growing the same strain, same amount of plants with the same reflector and bulb for 1 and half years and get the same weight? I call BS .

well, you are full of it, so that would explain that.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

just doing some math, OP would need 8 of those Ul listed units to cover his sq footage, that is $12,200.00

8 gavitas =$3600

difference up front $8600

8 bulbs once every year for the fanboys,let's say $800

10 yrs of bulb replacements to equal the upfront costs of the LED's

Some savings in power to be included in there.

 

[Stephenj37826]

For the record our lights are built in an ISO certified facility. We are starting the ETL cert process as we speak. Gavita MSRP is 699.00 just for the record. Most of these companies offer discounts as well.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

For the record our lights are built in an ISO certified facility. We are starting the ETL cert process as we speak. Gavita MSRP is 699.00 just for the record. Most of these companies offer discounts as well.

https://growershouse.com/gavita-pro1000e-de-120-240v-fixture

always got to tell BS. That is the MSRP, not the price you can buy it for. you won't get that price difference on a LED unit. See OP, they ALWAYS have to LIE to SELL their shit. I have ONLY told the truth, no inflated BS.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

shit, you can even lowball them on the gavitas

450.00
Qty:
Price;make an offer

And for the record, he is not here to sell his lights, yet he just let you know all about them,LMFAO