chemphlegm
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like when you opened the bag they flew out?
or after you watered it and began to grow in it?
How often do you get bugs in your FFOF?
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or after you watered it and began to grow in it?
superbak3d
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Opening the bag. There might be a few flying around at first, but they die off pretty quickly if you let the soil dry out.
My bags have always had moisture in them though, so it's to be expected for gnats to appear. They're not a threat to your plants anyways
MichiganMedGrower
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Short term memory problems too huh? I just told you yesterday I worked with my caregiver first and he grew organic for the dispensary and hydro for cash cropping.
And in blind testing at his house no one could tell the difference accurately every time.
You are full of shit Doc.
And...
What happens with another plant is only a start to cannabis research. It's as meaningless as transferring tobacco leaf curing techniques to flowers.
Wait! You are just like the Riddler. You're Dr. Bro Science.
MichiganMedGrower
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Yeah I already knew you had no other proof but one flawed study used to sell a bogus product.
There are no papers showing proof of any of the stuff you just said. You just want to sound important and hope no one catches you.
Lol.
Yodaweed
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I can tell if any synthetics are used when i smoke the buds, the two easiest ways to tell are how it smells (when you go to a dispensary and all their buds are smelling exactly the same) and the second way is the color of the ash, when it's all black and hard and don't flake off it's most likely because the plant was full of synthetic ferts(it has nothing to do with cure, i smoked wet buds off my plant that had a white ash).
MichiganMedGrower
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You can't tell shit from a dispensary. And you can't tell properly grown weed from any different method.
Dispensaries are cash cropping operations. They tend to pump fertilizer and use flavored flushing agents.
And the black ash is definitely from moisture and happens with any method of growing pot.
I can't actually believe you just said you have seen white ash from wet bud.
Yodaweed
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I'm gonna cut a bud off my plant when it's done and light it on fire until it's gone then show you a white ash, gonna make a video for you. The moisture makes it snap crackle pop, not the color of the ash.
I don't buy weed from the dispensary but i was using that as an example.
MichiganMedGrower
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chemphlegm
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anyways dispensary weed is not any kind of fair comparison. theres love then there's money, two very different ideals, often differing techniques, differing outcomes too. (MI)dispensary growers only need to be good enough on their curve. No dispensary want empty shelves and will put up shit if no other shit is available. they sell shit sometimes and call it shit. their shit on this end is better than their shit on that end priced accordingly(to their ideals) Can you imagine if pharmacies put miscalculated discount Rx on one end of the store cheaper....dafuk
anyways, those growers need to come to harvest as fast as possible ding ding ding
they need to dry as fast as possible=ding ding ding
they need as much weight as possible at harvest, hence PK boosters..now we're getting somewhere eh =ding ding ding
those btw will serve up more cabbage weight, not more thc ding ding ding
Over fed? ha! why not thats how you get more cabbage aye
but wait....they taste like shit? yep, they smell not so natural? yep, burn funny? yep, hows them refractometer numbers at harvest?
trying for apples are we? ding ding ding ding ding ding
1970's dealer rush? dingdingding
those dealers will not risk an entire harvest..uh oh...eagle 20, mites, sprays, foggers, pyre's, neems, oils, bombs...wondering if those burn funny?
all of this is covered in my very first bible reads so long ago. I feel like the luckiest grower these days. feed the dirt, plants know just what to do with it.
anyways, those growers need to come to harvest as fast as possible ding ding ding
they need to dry as fast as possible=ding ding ding
they need as much weight as possible at harvest, hence PK boosters..now we're getting somewhere eh =ding ding ding
those btw will serve up more cabbage weight, not more thc ding ding ding
Over fed? ha! why not thats how you get more cabbage aye
but wait....they taste like shit? yep, they smell not so natural? yep, burn funny? yep, hows them refractometer numbers at harvest?
trying for apples are we? ding ding ding ding ding ding
1970's dealer rush? dingdingding
those dealers will not risk an entire harvest..uh oh...eagle 20, mites, sprays, foggers, pyre's, neems, oils, bombs...wondering if those burn funny?
all of this is covered in my very first bible reads so long ago. I feel like the luckiest grower these days. feed the dirt, plants know just what to do with it.
chemphlegm
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often I sample buds less than dry, like after a week or so, shave off some good smelling sneak previews. they often burn less optimal than buds allowed to dry properly for use. wet buds weigh more of course, ever seen these goofs spraying their weed with water, sugar water, apple juice......they still do that shit, just listen to the shit that goes on here....right out of a 70's Stash From Trash type stoner comic instructions for growing.
I wonder if a dispensary, selling by weight, would ever consider spritzing their bud for more money, better feel? taste good? burn well?
oh...the drama
Buba Blend
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Love this place! Peyton Place on weed!
I know why we are all insane!
We are mostly B type personalities in life except when it comes to growing, then we are the ultimate A type personalities. LMAO!
I know why we are all insane!
We are mostly B type personalities in life except when it comes to growing, then we are the ultimate A type personalities. LMAO!
MichiganMedGrower
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I am pretty sure I am an A type in real life too. Lol
Buba Blend
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Games and growing A. Most else B.
Buba Blend
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I posted above after getting to page 4. Got to get back to reading to see what I missed. Probably should have read the last two pages before posting. My guess is you already have an idea about how I feel about ffof and gnats. Not sure I want to do much else than enjoy following this thread. Oh well, back to page 4. maybe I missed something good
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Buba Blend
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I look forward to the video too. I have weed that was water only for the last 4 weeks. Soil was really depleted. In fact for everybody to get a laugh the plant I'm speaking of was started in 50% new ffof and 50% depleted ffof. Oh! I left them in light warrior in starter pots for to long. Should have been 5-7 days, but was more like 14 days. Oh yeah! I never brought the lights down from the last grow, just enough light to not cause a stretch. Almost forgot! I overwatered till about the 5th week of 12 weeks of flowering. Oh yeah! After I stopped overwatering the gnats that could only be controlled disappeared. Never did lower those lights. Had I not corrected my watering for the 1st time in 2 years, I probably would have had a shittier harvest than I did have. The previous harvests that I over watered to the end were worst than this one. Loose airy shitty buds that you can smoke but you don't want anyone to see. Actually when turned into bubble hash it was pretty good. Made a lot of bubble hash. At least this time they managed to be of mediocre density, still shitty, but good enough to get me by till next harvest in 8 weeks.
Here is a picture of the shitty bud, had to take it outside to give it good lighting. Go easy on me LOL, nah, give it to me hard, I want to feel it! Her sisters are growing now and will make the pain go away in no time.
Oh yeah!. That bud has been drying for 3 days. Just put a few small buds in the toaster oven 160 deg 1 hour later, burns white, Hope you don't want a pic, I'd have to clean my bong.
BTW, pages 4 through 6 were boring technical crap, big letdown.
Here is a picture of the shitty bud, had to take it outside to give it good lighting. Go easy on me LOL, nah, give it to me hard, I want to feel it! Her sisters are growing now and will make the pain go away in no time.
Oh yeah!. That bud has been drying for 3 days. Just put a few small buds in the toaster oven 160 deg 1 hour later, burns white, Hope you don't want a pic, I'd have to clean my bong.
BTW, pages 4 through 6 were boring technical crap, big letdown.
papa canna
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Does anyone know if gnat nix pellets will harm anything beneficial in my soil? Maybe I can put those crumbles in my big container of soil and give it a light watering?
Or maybe I should wait until I pot them. I don't want gnats eating my bennies in the mean time. But I don't want to harm them watering soil with gnat killer
Or maybe I should wait until I pot them. I don't want gnats eating my bennies in the mean time. But I don't want to harm them watering soil with gnat killer
chemphlegm
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gnat nix is poop. it wont harm bene's but gnats build sand castles in it for their larvae to play. powdered glass?.....c'mon..
try some live bacteria, mosquito dunks, yellow stickies, watering frequency adjustment, check your room controls, gnats love struggling plants, young roots, humidity, hot with no air movement is tops for them....
try some live bacteria, mosquito dunks, yellow stickies, watering frequency adjustment, check your room controls, gnats love struggling plants, young roots, humidity, hot with no air movement is tops for them....
Dr. Who
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Your too stupid to find it? You read my challenge and began looking. You were still listed as online and it took you how long to come back and type that drivel.
Abiotic Elicitors
Abiotic elicitors include inorganic compounds (copper sulfate, silver nitrate, etc.) and metal ions (Cusido et al., 2014). There are only a few reports on the use of abiotic elicitors for the production of pharmaceutical terpenoids in cell suspension cultures. Andrographolide, a diterpenoid lactones, exhibits important pharmacological activities such as anticancer, anti-HIV, and anti-inflammatory (Srivastava and Akhila, 2010). Gandi et al. (2012) reported that abiotic elicitors (CdCl2, AgNO3, CuCl2 and HgCl2) were used to enhance the andrographolide content in suspension cultures of A. paniculata. Among all those metal salts, the treatment with CdCl2 had the strongest effect on andrographolide production, which could reach 6.3 mg/g DCW, whereas the control accumulated 1.5 mg/g DCW.
The use of abiotic elicitors was an effective strategy for increasing the production of triterpenoid ginsenosides in suspension cultures of P. ginseng. Huang and Zhong (2013) described that heavy metal salts, including NaVO3, NH4VO3, NiSO4, VOSO4, CuSO4 and MnSO4, were used to induce ginsenoside biosynthesis. Vanadate was demonstrated to be the most efficient of all the treatments tested. After 4 days treatment with vanadate, the highest ginsenoside (Rg1 + Re + Rb1 + Rc + Rd) content was 5.6 mg/g DW (day 14). Further research showed that vanadate treatment induced the endogenous JA biosynthesis and up-regulated the transcription levels of SQS, squalene epoxidase (SE) and dammarenediol-II synthase (DS) genes.
Being that this is a scientific paper.....Your going to misinterpret or simply flat out not understand...too many big words? The idea that these things can increase the biosynthesis of terpenoids in sample cells taken at various stages of growth (this is the newest method of terp production - cell suspension culture). Indicate the ability of the plant to use supplemental applications of said compounds. To increase Terpenoid production by the plant during normal growth.
The cell culture method is used to bring predictable output vs. unpredictable weather and soil conditions in some applications. The big pharma company was researching this cellular suspension culture and as I read the information coming from the R&D labs. I could see that the farm was a cpl of years away from serious operation reductions. I retired out. The main farm still runs today but, 75% of the land was sold back to flower and shrub farms that they bought it from to begin with.
Now then...
The introduction of certain Bio's to the soil is known to increase terpenoid production. This is mirrored by products on the market to do just that (I suspect overpriced and not as effective as claimed but, still do increase terp levels as the fungus we used for taxus production did......Soil Balance is one product pointed out to me, when they came out. I was not impressed by their claims and didn't even bother to price it.
With that said, is it not easy to conclude that actually growing organic is the first step or at least keeping a healthy and active bio herd the first step to simple increase in terp production?
In the science of increased terp production by chem. compound supplementation. One of the first things addressed are increasing carbs. Simply look at the products such as Bud Candy, Sweet Leaf and some others. Whats on the label? Carbs, Vits and Amino's. Can these be delivered at effective ratio's in home made products that save cost and are simple to make. You betcha! The use of molasses is well known for it's ability to feed bio's and thus increasing bio activity. Sugars in all forms are another...If I wanted to build a soil "sweetener" for increasing that bio activity.
"I" would look to use a Kelp extract at 5 ml per gallon (Vit's and Amino's) and a 1.5 tsp of dark brown sugar, per gallon. I would be inclined to add 5 ml of a FUL HUMIX pre-made (by you from the powdered product) liquid solution to the "sweetener" also (Humic acids increase terp production a bit also). It should be noted that kelp can limit bio reproduction by as much as 40%+.
What do "I" think of that mix? I don't use it. I find the idea as maybe being marginal in terp. production increase, as other things work better. To keep the living bio thing going. You would do better to add a simple AACT bio tea, as it does a better job in the same ideal field of thought to result.
If you do the metal compound thing....It's in the nutrient market too! It's long been accepted to work. Things like Botanicares sweet line, G&H's Flora Nectar, Terpinator, Resinator, etc., etc. These things work both sides of the street. They do the carbs thing and bring known to work compounds into the game. Generally, Mg sulfate and/or K or K sulfate. Some of these lines bring both compounds to the table. They tend to work in cannabis by increasing some trich production, along with the terp increase. In theory, your getting more volume and more in concentration. Include organic sourced Mg or K, along with organic sugar......You can do this style of supplementation in organic growing.
Mg and K are THC antagonists and should be stopped at the start of the bulk? So it's said. Your clewed in. Have "I" seen that? Not to the point of complete non use. Reducing from mid bloom high's is a good idea.. There are some here who do use this and find it works for them, quite well....
The nutrient market pays attention to whats being found in plant science. If they don't they will stagnate and die out. The idea that you have to pay stupid amounts for things that you can make at home for fractions of what they cost in bottle, and be more effective sometimes. Is your gain.
There are a shit ton more......Your just to lazy to look and find them. OR Your to stupid to word them properly/look in the wrong place. Most likely all of those.
Your going to discredit my statements and say something along the line that there is no proof. There is, right along with you should try it yourself. Sadly, as you've said before. You didn't read it in a book, so it don't work! How about try it? Books don't tell you everything. This is where all those years of experience come in. Vs. your 4 years of growing one way with only a cpl of nutrient lines used.
You run middler strains at best and claim your jars do the talking. Interestingly, those you've compared with. Say your jars talk softly and don't carry even a twig. You also won't do a jar to jar test with me! Neutral location - Beers and food even. But your to "afraid" you'll be busted. Linking a speeding ticket to a visit to another members house. Fucking nonsense excuse......
Again, you accuse Rid of having junk strains and weak product. YOU'VE never tried them! You "say" your friend did. That's your word - on line. Just as suspect to be bull shit as ANYONE'S on any site. Funny thing is, RM3's word is backed by Uncle Ben, Don T, Texas Jack, Homebrewer and other well known growers etc. I do not agree with boil water flush....But I don't disrespect his work. You act like a woman scorned....Wha, wha, wha......you got your ass handed to you, so now you make accusations and point fingers......More of those fingers point back at you.....keep that in mind, remember it everyday...let that be the bug in your head you can attribute to me!
Now as far as the Mn thing. Heil Tweeter is who came in and confirmed the ideal. Not only that but, gave us how and why to do it in conjunction with soil Fe concentrations. Did you know that Tweeter is taught by Churchase? How about saying something about him?
I'm Done.....
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Buba Blend
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I just thought of something. Are there items in a soil that are more inviting to gnats? ffof has bark and whatever else that may not be in another soil that someone switched to after using ffof.
Would doing a test run of several popular soils and mixes where the soil is overwatered for the purpose of creating a nice environment for the gnats deliver similar results? Maybe if all soils separated but having access to a small # of fg's were compared, maybe the ingredients in ffof would show a happier environment for the gnats to thrive. IDK, sounds possible.
Would doing a test run of several popular soils and mixes where the soil is overwatered for the purpose of creating a nice environment for the gnats deliver similar results? Maybe if all soils separated but having access to a small # of fg's were compared, maybe the ingredients in ffof would show a happier environment for the gnats to thrive. IDK, sounds possible.
Dr. Who
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OK. I gave it then.....see above.