Can you move a grandfathered MMAR license, no here's the proof

Gatorgold

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Friends,

I am having to explain this over and and over to many people so I thought I would provide a separate post on the legal evidence so you can see for yourself that you CANNOT move an MMAR to a new address and still be legal.

Don't take my word for any of this let the lawyer do the talking. Here it is from Conroy's website, the most asked question "can I legally move my MMAR license?", no. http://johnconroy.com/mmar.htm Or drop John Turmel at johnturmel@ yahoo.com, an email and ask him about any of your theories. He will back up what Conroy and I are telling you all. Please be careful. I am only saying this not to fear monger as one person accused me of, but to give you fact based evidence that none of this altruistic reasoning would save you from an arrest or jail time.

Cheers,
Scott
scott.mccluskey @ telus.net
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
does not mean it cannot be fought and WON hands down.
Truth is a script is a script is a script and as such gives anyone who is sick, the right to grow.
As for MMAR they had their deal..court will determine the rest!
and truth be known.
.its no difference where you grow your medicine...

grandfathered or not.

The courts have already decided for us.
Just has not gone back to court to be fought with the new BS legislation ..
which wont happen by the way.
;)



cheers everyone knows how it goes...

its a shit show...end of story!
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
Thanks for your help...
There are definitely a lot of point of views surrounding this subject.
Bottom line non of us want to be busted of course nor dragged thru court...
We are only trying to medicate with a plant and maybe become a bit healthier...
Since the en mass cuts to anyone who was dependent on opiates ...have been made
a lot of people are now treating their pain with inadequate amounts of pain meds
and or mmj
this can be a tough road and all the pain clinics are pushing the mmj approach ,as well
or anything else pharma that they can get you to take...
 

Gatorgold

Well-Known Member
Thanks for your help...
There are definitely a lot of point of views surrounding this subject.
Bottom line non of us want to be busted of course nor dragged thru court...
We are only trying to medicate with a plant and maybe become a bit healthier...
Since the en mass cuts to anyone who was dependent on opiates ...have been made
a lot of people are now treating their pain with inadequate amounts of pain meds
and or mmj
this can be a tough road and all the pain clinics are pushing the mmj approach ,as well
or anything else pharma that they can get you to take...
Wow a rational mind, how rare. Thanks for adding your point of view!
 

Gatorgold

Well-Known Member
does not mean it cannot be fought and WON hands down.
Truth is a script is a script is a script and as such gives anyone who is sick, the right to grow.
As for MMAR they had their deal..court will determine the rest!
and truth be known.
.its no difference where you grow your medicine...

grandfathered or not.

The courts have already decided for us.
Just has not gone back to court to be fought with the new BS legislation ..
which wont happen by the way.
;)



cheers everyone knows how it goes...

its a shit show...end of story!
So your smarter than the lawyers that we employed for Allrd et al plus 8 other legal actions all of which we won??

I hear from my good friend Jeff who left this forum because he did not agree with persons PROMOTING that it is perfectly safe to move an MMAR license. It's ILLEGAL plain and simple so anyone reading this reply please stop promoting this DELUSIONAL idea. You only succeed in putting people and their families at risk of serious legal, finiancial, criminal and emotional repercussions. If u choose to do it fine. But to promote it as safe with no repercussions for others, is just plain wrong and irresponsible. Enough said. Here is what the lawyers say.

From John Conroy QC website.


Allard et al v. Canada FCTD T-2030-13 and FCA A-174-2014

A. Status of Trial preparation and developments and interlocutory/interim Appeal and Cross Appeal Updates:

April 2017
As I have stated previously, the Allard final decision of Mr. Justice Phelan of February 24th 2016 contains in the final judgment an Order that the Order Justice Manson dated March 21, 2014 remains in effect until this court orders otherwise. In other words, the injunction order grandfathering many MMAR patients whose authorizations to possess were valid on March 21, 2014, and whose personal production or designated grower licenses were valid on September 30, 2013 continue to be valid at the specified locations and in the specified amounts notwithstanding the expiry dates on them, to ensure that patients continue to get "reasonable access".

Once the ACMPR came into effect on August 24, 2016 I recommended that those of you grandfathered under the MMAR make applications under the ACMPR for the same ability to possess and produce or have a designated grower do so for you to see if you are able to obtain the same dosage, plant count and storage amount so that we have some evidence to present to the court as to whether or not the ACMPR is providing "reasonable access". I ask you, if you were not getting "reasonable access" and experiencing problems in your ACMPR location and process to please send an email to me, headed "patient communications" at [email protected] detailing what you had before and providing documents in support and detailing the problems experienced with the ACMPR and its process and supplying any documents in support. This will enable me to produce affidavits attaching your statements of complaint and experiences to counter any effort on the part of the government to end the injunction order if that should occur.

If your problems are with your physician/doctor in relation to authorizing your use of cannabis, or your dosage, this is not caused by the ACMPR, except to the extent that it carries forward the role of doctors as gatekeeper from the MMAR. The Canadian Medical Association and Provincial Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons have not so far endorsed the medical legitimacy of cannabis, and doctors who support patients in the use of cannabis expect to do so under significant professional scrutiny. Many are not willing to take this on. If you feel your reasonable access to cannabis is impeded by not being able to find a doctor willing to authorize your medical use, please send an email statement to my office at [email protected] indicating the details of your situation. Your statement may suggest whether legal proceedings would be in order, but it may also enable you to get medical assistance by enabling me to share your difficulties with a group of doctors entitled "PMC - Practitioners for Medicinal Cannabis", a nationwide network of physicians who support the informed use of cannabis in patient care. Upon receipt of your email statement I will forward it, with your permission, to the Coordinator of that group to determine whether they can assist you, in your province. This is a preferable route than simply filing a complaint with the College against the doctor as this leads to sympathetic doctors being investigated and threatened and reduces the pool of doctors available to assist.

For your information from my review of the new proposed Cannabis Act, that the government proposes to have in place by July 1, 2018, it appears that by section 158 of the proposed Act that, subject to regulations made under 161(1) of that Act, that "registered persons" (namely patients), if regulations made under subsection 139 (1) that come into force on the commencement date refer to registered persons, then every individual who is a registered person under the ACMPR immediately before the commencement day of the Cannabis Act will continue to be a registered person until the expiry of their registration or unless it's canceled before that and will be subject to any regulations made under s.139(1) and the same applies to designated persons under the ACMPR. In other words, it appears that the plan is to essentially continue the ACMPR regulations as regulations under the Cannabis Act, perhaps with some changes. The same provision is made for "clients" of licensed producers under the ACMPR and further provides that applications under section 35 for a license under the ACMPR or under section 95 to import section 103 to export will be transitioned into regulations under the new Act and applications that are in process on the commencement date of the new Act will be deemed to be applications under section 62 of the new Cannabis Act. The same will apply to patients applying to be "registered persons" or a person applying to be a "designated person" under the ACMPR, where no final decision has been made on their application on the date of commencement of the new Cannabis Act, if regulations made under subsection 139(1) that come into force on the commencement day provide for the making of such applications.

I suspect that the ACMPR will be transitioned into regulations on this Cannabis Act, but we will have to wait and see exactly what the government does.
 

gb123

Well-Known Member
lol lawyers are smart? please....:roll: and doctors and judges and police etc.......wanna try that again?
look what Conroy managed...:|..
thankfully Tusaw stood up!

lol

I didn't say I was smarter. I just know what right and wrong is all.
I also know what the courts decided..
The details are what are being fucked up ....... so it is one fight after another to gain control of THE PEOPLES PLANT
This new BS legislation to control the green isn't going to work the way they think or want because Med patients won.(:
..rec will follow suit...itill just take longer is all
 

Gatorgold

Well-Known Member
lol lawyers are smart? please....:roll: and doctors and judges and police etc.......wanna try that again?
look what Conroy managed...:|..
thankfully Tusaw stood up!

lol

I didn't say I was smarter. I just know what right and wrong is all.
I also know what the courts decided..
The details are what are being fucked up ....... so it is one fight after another to gain control of THE PEOPLES PLANT
This new BS legislation to control the green isn't going to work the way they think or want because Med patients won.(:
..rec will follow suit...itill just take longer is all
Oh boy, where do I start. I didn't say lawyers were smart, or police or judges. Now you are putting words in my mouth. Check my post again, before you talk nonsense. Then you say "I didn't say I was smarter" well there is some truth in that statement!! You know "right from wrong is all", like "promoting" that MMAR license moves are legal when I have proven to all on this forum, they are not. Is that your idea of knowing right from wrong? I am sorry that's DELUSIONAL thinking at best. ( A delusion is a belief that is held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion) As to what Conroy accomplished, I will agree he made some mistakes, but he still won the case, or you wouldn't even be growing now. And if I and my colleagues didn't create the Coalition and hire Conroy we wouldn't even be having this conversation, so where's the gratitude? You "know what the courts decided", but you don't use that knowledge properly do you ? The only details I see being fucked up is your blanatntly wrong interpretation of them. " The PEOPLES PLANT" , where do you find that in the constitution is it a new clause the government just added in ? The people don't have a plant, but we do have a great constitution that gives us a sec 7 right to no " barriers to access" to our chosen medicine. But you don't have a right to a plant guaranteed under the constitution. So I say this to make you stop and THINK, about what kind of irresponsible and dangerous narrative you are creating and to show others just how very wrong you are despite over whelming factual evidence to the contrary. If I was you I would cut your responses, because they just keep making me laugh and laugh and laugh. And they also make you look, well you know, not so smart!! Good luck !
 

The Hippy

Well-Known Member
Oh boy, where do I start. I didn't say lawyers were smart, or police or judges. Now you are putting words in my mouth. Check my post again, before you talk nonsense. Then you say "I didn't say I was smarter" well there is some truth in that statement!! You know "right from wrong is all", like "promoting" that MMAR license moves are legal when I have proven to all on this forum, they are not. Is that your idea of knowing right from wrong? I am sorry that's DELUSIONAL thinking at best. ( A delusion is a belief that is held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion) As to what Conroy accomplished, I will agree he made some mistakes, but he still won the case, or you wouldn't even be growing now. And if I and my colleagues didn't create the Coalition and hire Conroy we wouldn't even be having this conversation, so where's the gratitude? You "know what the courts decided", but you don't use that knowledge properly do you ? The only details I see being fucked up is your blanatntly wrong interpretation of them. " The PEOPLES PLANT" , where do you find that in the constitution is it a new clause the government just added in ? The people don't have a plant, but we do have a great constitution that gives us a sec 7 right to no " barriers to access" to our chosen medicine. But you don't have a right to a plant guaranteed under the constitution. So I say this to make you stop and THINK, about what kind of irresponsible and dangerous narrative you are creating and to show others just how very wrong you are despite over whelming factual evidence to the contrary. If I was you I would cut your responses, because they just keep making me laugh and laugh and laugh. And they also make you look, well you know, not so smart!! Good luck !
Gator can you post some cases where the mmar paper work was tossed out because of a move? I'm sorry but my confidence in Conroy's advise has pretty much disappeared. I what your saying but feel things have changed and are changing somewhat. On paper your correct....in reality I not as sure.
If you have those cases handy please post some I'd like to read them. i feel as each day goes by the less likely judges are feeling it's time to co-operate with unfair rules. This is of course is only an opinion so hold no weight.
 

Gatorgold

Well-Known Member
Gator can you post some cases where the mmar paper work was tossed out because of a move? I'm sorry but my confidence in Conroy's advise has pretty much disappeared. I what your saying but feel things have changed and are changing somewhat. On paper your correct....in reality I not as sure.
If you have those cases handy please post some I'd like to read them. i feel as each day goes by the less likely judges are feeling it's time to co-operate with unfair rules. This is of course is only an opinion so hold no weight.
Hippy, its 2:30 am and I just spent 10 hours in emergency room at the Kelowna hospital with my very sick daughter. So forgive me if I don't provide those cases until morning. I see you coming around to reason and logic over delusion, good on you brother. See you in the am, and forgive me if I sleep late it's been a VERY taxing day, not by you good folks but my screaming in pain young daughter. Cheers Scott.
 

cannadan

Well-Known Member
I do not personally remember anyone dispensing advice with regards to moving your mmar...but more to the fact that
people who are waiting on the ACMPR paperwork should just start to treat themselves. Your health should not have to wait months and months for a piece of paper..
 

cannadan

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Hippy, its 2:30 am and I just spent 10 hours in emergency room at the Kelowna hospital with my very sick daughter. So forgive me if I don't provide those cases until morning. I see you coming around to reason and logic over delusion, good on you brother. See you in the am, and forgive me if I sleep late it's been a VERY taxing day, not by you good folks but my screaming in pain young daughter. Cheers Scott.
I too remember those trips to the ER..with mine it was .usually an ear about to rupture....
Twice we had them rupture while waiting for a doctor to come look...at least when they are screaming you will get some service.
I hope your little one is feeling better. Remember Dad they grow up real fast...so enjoy it...yep even the trips to the ER...
 

The Hippy

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Hippy, its 2:30 am and I just spent 10 hours in emergency room at the Kelowna hospital with my very sick daughter. So forgive me if I don't provide those cases until morning. I see you coming around to reason and logic over delusion, good on you brother. See you in the am, and forgive me if I sleep late it's been a VERY taxing day, not by you good folks but my screaming in pain young daughter. Cheers Scott.
Not saying i agree with you on everything as I don't on much of it. But some snippets are possible to agree with.
I'm very sorry for your experience with the daughter in emerg. Hopefully that went well and all the best to her and you. I'm a dad as well. So I get how stressful it can be when they aren't well. Believe I know this better than most do. Lost my Son last year. Peace to your family and to your daughter.
 

GrowRock

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My opinion on this one is we need to break there unjust law of not being allowed to move in our own country while keeping our garden. The stupidity of allowing a patient to grow at one address but not the next is a barrier to access. Just because the person moved has f@$$& all to do with his or her illness. Because if everyone just went along with the governments plans we wouldn't even have the right to grow in the first place. Just my 2 cents
 

WHATFG

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If we have charter rights to protect access, we have charter rights to move freely. That is a reasonable argument. Neither my medical condition nor my medication change just because I switch provinces or territories. The simple fact is, that once you do change provincial addresses, you have to get a new doc and health cards. So if I don't like BC in a year (hahahaha) and I want to move to Newfoundland, the circle jerk starts all over....that is not reasonable access.
 
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