Help This Lil Lady...

[cannn]

I flushed her real good today... should that help or will it probably make it worse?

Its generally the first step if you believe you have lockout but its best if you let the pot dry out properly first. Of course wont help if your issue is ph. After doing a bit more looking into ca deficiency it definitely could be lockout caused by low ph. You want it up to 6.2 to properly take in ca. I try to keep my soil between 6.3 and 6.8 so ive never had the issue myself, i have more trouble with my ph drifting up

 

[tpc_mikey]

That looks like calmag deficiency you need to get some epsom salt add 1 tsp per gallon of water and add it in the next few waterings, you can also foliar feed it for a quicker recovery but understand the damage will not go away its there for good, but new growth wont have it.

 

[Los Reefersaurus]

Its generally the first step if you believe you have lockout but its best if you let the pot dry out properly first. Of course wont help if your issue is ph. After doing a bit more looking into ca deficiency it definitely could be lockout caused by low ph. You want it up to 6.2 to properly take in ca. I try to keep my soil between 6.3 and 6.8 so ive never had the issue myself, i have more trouble with my ph drifting up

agreed, when new you are better off at 6.5 to 7 then trying to hit 6.3 more things are happy there than below 6.3.

If you are serious about drowing some grope you need a ph meter and a tds meter of some description

 

[Senior Smoke]

agreed, when new you are better off at 6.5 to 7 then trying to hit 6.3 more things are happy there than below 6.3.

If you are serious about drowing some grope you need a ph meter and a tds meter of some description

What in the world is a tds meter and whats it used for buddy? I have a lot more to learn than i thought...

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

What in the world is a tds meter and whats it used for buddy? I have a lot more to learn than i thought...

yeah you do, A tds measure's total dissolved solids in your water or parts per million in other measurements.
you should have a ph and ppm/tds meter. you should know what the ph and ppm of your tap water is,
you should know how your nutrient choice works with your water and soil choice.

Dissolved solids" refer to any minerals, salts, metals, cations or anions dissolved in water. Total dissolved solids (TDS) comprise inorganic salts (principally calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium, bicarbonates, chlorides, and sulfates) and some small amounts of organic matter that are dissolved in water.

 

[cannn]

That looks like calmag deficiency you need to get some epsom salt add 1 tsp per gallon of water and add it in the next few waterings, you can also foliar feed it for a quicker recovery but understand the damage will not go away its there for good, but new growth wont have it.

Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate. Works for supplementing magnesium and sulfer, there is no calcium. I still dont see where you guys keep getting the mg def. Is there some yellowing im missing?

Or do you all mean to say he needs cal mag? It does include some magnesium but its mainly calcium for treating ca def.. Not too useful for supplementing mg, because if you have mg def your likely too have added too much ca before you treat it using cal mag



Pics below of mg def

 

[cannn]

What in the world is a tds meter and whats it used for buddy? I have a lot more to learn than i thought...

A tds meter is completely unnecessary in soil. Been growing in soil for years without one. Its used to monitor ppm of water, mainly used in hydroponics to know when the nutrient amounts drop or rise in the reservoir and when to add more nutrients or more water to balance it. In soil you cant exactly test the amount of nutrients still in the soil, at least not any simple way i know, so you really dont have any reason to use a tds meter. Just learn signs of deficiency and toxicity and adjust over time based on that

Also ec meters are better because tds meters dont really read ppm, they read ec and do a conversion to estimate ppm. Some go by a different conversion because ppm and ec dont directly relate, so while one meter gets a reading of 1,200 in your water, another may have a reading of 1,500, with the same ppm. Ec is always read the same

 

[Los Reefersaurus]

A tds meter is completely unnecessary in soil. Been growing in soil for years without one. Its used to monitor ppm of water, mainly used in hydroponics to know when the nutrient amounts drop or rise in the reservoir and when to add more nutrients or more water to balance it. In soil you cant exactly test the amount of nutrients still in the soil, at least not any simple way i know, so you really dont have any reason to use a tds meter. Just learn signs of deficiency and toxicity and adjust over time based on that

Also ec meters are better because tds meters dont really read ppm, they read ec and do a conversion to estimate ppm. Some go by a different conversion because ppm and ec dont directly relate, so while one meter gets a reading of 1,200 in your water, another may have a reading of 1,500, with the same ppm. Ec is always read the same

Everything you wrote is wrong, if you were more wrong you would be Mr Wrong from the wrong side of the tracks

 

[cannn]

Everything you wrote is wrong, if you were more wrong you would be Mr Wrong from the wrong side of the tracks

Do you want to argue why? Or just say im wrong?

Thats not very constructive or helpful.

Please explain to me why i need a tds meter in soil.. My plants are fine.. (Pic below) Or explain whatever it is you think.

Im doing just fine without it in soil. I do use an ec meter in my new dwc setup though

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

Do you want to argue why? Or just say im wrong?

Thats not very constructive or helpful.

Please explain to me why i need a tds meter in soil.. My plants are fine.. Or explain whatever it is you think.

Im doing just fine without it in soil. I do use an ec meter in my new dwc setup though

YOU may not need one,now, But I bet you did when you started. I recommend you at least get one and find out what your water is starting out. what if his tap is 8.5 ph at 700 ppms?

 

[Los Reefersaurus]

Ok fine

A tds meter is completely unnecessary in soil. Been growing in soil for years without one. Its used to monitor ppm of water, mainly used in hydroponics to know when the nutrient amounts drop or rise in the reservoir and when to add more nutrients or more water to balance it. In soil you cant exactly test the amount of nutrients still in the soil, at least not any simple way i know, so you really dont have any reason to use a tds meter. Just learn signs of deficiency and toxicity and adjust over time based on that

You would need this so you know what you are starting with and how strong each amendment is so you don't over or under fertilize, and apply the right ratio of what you want. I dont know about you but I have never trusted what is written on the bottles of my nutes, if I followed them it would be a disaster

Also ec meters are better because tds meters dont really read ppm, they read ec and do a conversion to estimate ppm. Some go by a different conversion because ppm and ec dont directly relate, so while one meter gets a reading of 1,200 in your water, another may have a reading of 1,500, with the same ppm. Ec is always read the same

EC, Hanna ppm , euteck ppm, and truncheon ppm all are using the same process to read devolved salts, it is the same style of device the difference is scale . An example is inches vs cm. What ever you use doesn't matter as long as you know what you are using

 

[cannn]

YOU may not need one,now, But I bet you did when you started. I recommend you at least get one and find out what your water is starting out. what if his tap is 8.5 ph at 700 ppms?

I suppose thats fair enough. Testing initial water quality. Still think its completely unnecessary. Now that i do have a meter i know ive been using WELL WATER that reads at around 200 ppm. I cant possibly imagine their tap water would be that high. Even if it was that doesnt tell you what it is in the water. Unless its a ton of ca you probably dont have to worry about it. You wont know until you get some shit for testing it or you try watering your plants with it and see the results. So i still think it would be worth trying the water so you dont have to go out of your way for another source.

I already told him to get a ph meter.

And i never needed a tds or ec meter when i started.. If it was needed i mustve defied reality.. Lol

A ph meter is a very important tool in any growroom.

 

[cannn]

Ok fine

You would need this so you know what you are starting with and how strong each amendment is so you don't over or under fertilize, and apply the right ratio of what you want. I dont know about you but I have never trusted what is written on the bottles of my nutes, if I followed them it would be a disaster



EC, Hanna ppm , euteck ppm, and truncheon ppm all are using the same process to read devolved salts, it is the same style of device the difference is scale . An example is inches vs cm. What ever you use doesn't matter as long as you know what you are using

Ive never had an issue starting with 1/2 or 1/4 strength fertilizer and adjusting from there based on what the plants tell me but i respect your methodology. Somewhat scientific. Still i know ive never needed a tds meter and wont ever be using one in soil. Just the way i do stuff.

Again you definitely dont NEED an ec or ppm meter

 

[Los Reefersaurus]

Ive never had an issue starting with 1/2 or 1/4 strength fertilizer and adjusting from there based on what the plants tell me but i respect your methodology. Somewhat scientific. Still i know ive never needed a tds meter and wont ever be using one in soil. Just the way i do stuff.

Again you definitely dont NEED and ec or ppm meter

cheers!

If what you are doing is working , then why would you change. It just if it stops working it give you one more tool in the tool box to fix your problems

 

[Senior Smoke]

Last night after flushing the lady really well she went limp and the branches started bending backwards. i left her be and today her branches have firmed up and her leaves are reaching for the sky again. She has some battle scares but I think she has the will to live. she looks happy today. hoping she stays happy. 3 more weeks and shes finished..

 

[cannn]

Last night after flushing the lady really well she went limp and the branches started bending backwards. i left her be and today her branches have firmed up and her leaves are reaching for the sky again. She has some battle scares but I think she has the will to live. she looks happy today. hoping she stays happy. 3 more weeks and shes finished..

Did you let her soil dry properly before flushing? If so how long does she usually go between waterings? Theres a couple ways to cause overwatering issues. One is the simple way, watering too often. Second is having a soil not airy enough or a plant not big enough for its pot either of which can make the pot take too long to dry out even if you do water at the right times causing overwatering when you might think your doing everything right. I like my pots to dry out in 2-3 days usually, 4-5 max. If its taking a week or more it could cause issues.

I let them dry until i can feel down a couple inches and find no moisture in my 5 gallon buckets.

 

[Senior Smoke]

Did you let her soil dry properly before flushing? If so how long does she usually go between waterings? Theres a couple ways to cause overwatering issues. One is the simple way, watering too often. Second is having a soil not airy enough or a plant not big enough for its pot either of which can make the pot take too long to dry out even if you do water at the right times causing overwatering when you might think your doing everything right. I like my pots to dry out in 2-3 days usually, 4-5 max. If its taking a week or more it could cause issues.

I let them dry until i can feel down a couple inches and find no moisture in my 5 gallon buckets.

She would have taken a few days to dry out. I wanted to help her NOW so i flushed her immediately as soon as i seen her leaves curling and crispy. Im so glad i did because before the flush she was looking like she was dying, and now she looks like shes coming around.

 

[cannn]

She would have taken a few days to dry out. I wanted to help her NOW so i flushed her immediately as soon as i seen her leaves curling and crispy. Im so glad i did because before the flush she was looking like she was dying, and now she looks like shes coming around.

Good to hear it went well

 

[Senior Smoke]

Did you let her soil dry properly before flushing? If so how long does she usually go between waterings? Theres a couple ways to cause overwatering issues. One is the simple way, watering too often. Second is having a soil not airy enough or a plant not big enough for its pot either of which can make the pot take too long to dry out even if you do water at the right times causing overwatering when you might think your doing everything right. I like my pots to dry out in 2-3 days usually, 4-5 max. If its taking a week or more it could cause issues.

I let them dry until i can feel down a couple inches and find no moisture in my 5 gallon buckets.

As far as watering I usually let the plants tell me when they need water. i stick my finger in the dirt and see how dry the dirt is. Also i lift the medium to check the weight. my plants when happy usually drink twice a week or so...