Light ???

[Psyphish]

they sound even worse than HPS. not the best salesman for T5's huh?

I use 315w CMHs.. well used.. I'm on probation now.

Everyone around here uses HPS, I don't smoke their shitty weed.

 

[dangledo]

No he doesn't know what he is doing. He makes up the "science" he uses to justify his hobby and tells it like he is an authority.

Here is a fact about plants and light.

They transfer their photosynthesis to the strongest wavelength available.

That is why HPS causes fastest growth. It is the strongest light regardless of the narrower spectrum.

I have been testing cmh, mh and hps lamps all year. Recently I have removed all of the full spectrum lighting and have gone back to just my original hps bulbs to see if there was really any difference.

First two plants seem as frosty and potent as before and the density and yield is back where too much mh and cmh made fluffier buds and less yield.

I was sure full spectrum had improved things noticeably. It is starting to seem much more subtle now.

I may have just improved at growing and the lights make very little difference.

As far as what anyone else wants to do. Who cares. Do what you want. But don't come on here like an authority with bullshit and try to sell it to us.

So you're growing from clones then, right?

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I use 315w CMHs.. well used.. I'm on probation now.

Everyone around here uses HPS, I don't smoke their shitty weed.

The grower is responsible for the shitty weed. Not the lamp.

Or the brand of potting mix or the brand of nutes
or the........

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

So you're growing from clones then, right?

I grow from seed primarily but took clones of 2 known phenos from 2 different strains for testing.

 

[pop22]

Read Greg Green's The Cannabis Breeder's Bible, he explains it well. Yes environment can influence sexing in Cannabis in living plants. It only happens as far as I know, in plants born female.

my argument would be if enviro causes male/female, then in the proper enviro, there should be no males. which is impossible.

i think you get 10 regular seeds, those 10 are already male or female before germination.

i'm not sure though. hard to find any evidence just yet either way.


i'd love to read it. gotta link?

 

[Psyphish]

The grower is responsible for the shitty weed. Not the lamp.

Or the brand of potting mix or the brand of nutes
or the........

HPS never produces the same quality as better light sources. It's ancient technology with limited spectrum and only works because of brute force. It's only relevant in commercial grows where yield is the only thing that matters... and it's cheaper.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

HPS never produces the same quality as better light sources. It's ancient technology with limited spectrum and only works because of brute force. It's only relevant in commercial grows where yield is the only thing that matters... and it's cheaper.

Yes you have made your opinion clear. But the difference is subtle and I am testing how subtle now.

I use Hortilux Super Hps for the extra blue in the spectrum. And I realize for best growth I would want to add a bit more Blue and some uv.

I was supplementing with a Phillips 315 and a Hortilux blue mh.

But too much blue light hurt quality too. We are growing buds. And red light helps buds develop more.

I am pretty sure that 2 to 1 hps to mh or cmh will be best for overall bud quality.

I will test a full run in a 3x3 with the 315 3100k bulb too in time.

 

[rkymtnman]

ead Greg Green's The Cannabis Breeder's Bible, he explains it well. Yes environment can influence sexing in Cannabis in living plants. It only happens as far as I know, in plants born female.

since i don't have a copy, does he say that enviro causes male or female. or is the seed male or female to begin with? and enviro "can" change that after the fact?

 

[Chunky Stool]

HPS never produces the same quality as better light sources. It's ancient technology with limited spectrum and only works because of brute force. It's only relevant in commercial grows where yield is the only thing that matters... and it's cheaper.

I usually ignore posts that contain a lot of absolutes like "never" and "only".

 

[Chunky Stool]

Yes you have made your opinion clear. But the difference is subtle and I am testing how subtle now.

I use Hortilux Super Hps for the extra blue in the spectrum. And I realize for best growth I would want to add a bit more Blue and some uv.

I was supplementing with a Phillips 315 and a Hortilux blue mh.

But too much blue light hurt quality too. We are growing buds. And red light helps buds develop more.

I am pretty sure that 2 to 1 hps to mh or cmh will be best for overall bud quality.

I will test a full run in a 3x3 with the 315 3100k bulb too in time.

I ran a sativa with a 1 to 2 HPS to MH and it foxtailed like a bitch. (1 600w HPS & 2 400w MH).
Frosty has hell though...

 

[ttystikk]

HPS never produces the same quality as better light sources. It's ancient technology with limited spectrum and only works because of brute force. It's only relevant in commercial grows where yield is the only thing that matters... and it's cheaper.

It's not even really cheaper; it's both less efficient and it has to be replaced every 6 months.

The only time quality LED lighting is more expensive is up front; after that the savings just keep coming.

 

[TheChemist77]

Yes you have made your opinion clear. But the difference is subtle and I am testing how subtle now.

I use Hortilux Super Hps for the extra blue in the spectrum. And I realize for best growth I would want to add a bit more Blue and some uv.

I was supplementing with a Phillips 315 and a Hortilux blue mh.

But too much blue light hurt quality too. We are growing buds. And red light helps buds develop more.

I am pretty sure that 2 to 1 hps to mh or cmh will be best for overall bud quality.

I will test a full run in a 3x3 with the 315 3100k bulb too in time.

i agree the 2 to 1 hps to mh grows high quality...
i never said i was an authority,, i learn from listening and reading from better growers than me..i would never claim to know what is best for anyone other than whats best for me...20 years and still learning

 

[Yodaweed]

i agree the 2 to 1 hps to mh grows high quality...
i never said i was an authority,, i learn from listening and reading from better growers than me..i would never claim to know what is best for anyone other than whats best for me...20 years and still learning

I run 2 hps 1 CMH between them, it works well.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I ran a sativa with a 1 to 2 HPS to MH and it foxtailed like a bitch. (1 600w HPS & 2 400w MH).
Frosty has hell though...

That happened to one of mine under the new 315 LEC. But the breeder said it was just a phenotype.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I run 2 hps 1 CMH between them, it works well.

This is how I plant to set up a 4x8 area next. 2 600 super hps with the LEC 315 in center.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

It's not even really cheaper; it's both less efficient and it has to be replaced every 6 months.

The only time quality LED lighting is more expensive is up front; after that the savings just keep coming.

Unless you grow in a cold climate and rely on the bulbs for heat.

I would have to run a heater with my lighting. almost 6 months every year.

The bulbs save me over 500 gallons of propane every winter.

And quality bulbs last closer to a year so your math is exaggerated like a salesman.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

i agree the 2 to 1 hps to mh grows high quality...
i never said i was an authority,, i learn from listening and reading from better growers than me..i would never claim to know what is best for anyone other than whats best for me...20 years and still learning

That comment was for psyphish.

 

[RM3]

Well, all said and done this is a thread about light that I started to share some of my findings over the years. There are obviously folks that disagree and there are trolls that inject nonsense to disrupt, (much like our current prez) But for new growers reading this, and I do hope that you read the whole thread as there are some good discussion points, the one thing I have never done is to tell folks to switch to T5's. I chose them so I could experiment with different spectrums and I have shared things I learned as a result. This is an ongoing experiment that I have been doing longer than MMG has been growing. He only trolls my threads because he dislikes me and that is his right, but you as new growers should take his post with a grain of salt as I have also been doing my experiments with sulfates longer than he has been growing and if you take the time to look on this very forum you can actually see trends that occur after I have shared results from experiments. Ok, there will be trolls that jump on that and ask me to show where, I'm not gonna give it to em, I hate feedin trolls LOL but if you look you'll see I'm sharing a truth

Also, if you look, you'll see I have never slammed HPS and have even recommended them to some growers. Also true is I have said that I myself would never use em but I have advised others should. In fact there is a commercial grow in Oregon that has their light system designed by me that is an HID set up with added T5's usin both HPS & MH HID lights that is totally kickin ass. They had a guy come in with a nice light meter that said it was the best indoor light spectrum he had ever tested at a commercial grow. The trolls will yell foul but I can have the owner come post to verify if needed

And they like to yell that I advise too much blue yet my results have been duplicated and quantified. There is a grower that totally duplicated my tanning booth setup and bought the bulbs I feel are the best, he was using HPS prior and he is a grower that ONLY harvest live resin, he does not save flowers nor does he smoke em. He does the squishy squish with a 20 ton press and has proclaimed a 20 to 30 percent increase in yield since changing to T5's NOTE: this is an increase in trics and resin, not bud, which if you follow and read my post is what I have said all along, I grow trics, not buds !!! It is after all the trics that hold the magic we all seek

Now that said, I'm still not tellin you new growers to go out and switch to T5's but admit there are a lot of growers that follow me that have. Some go all T5 as I have and some simply add them to other lights they already have. ALL of them have stated that their herb got better as a result. I've been posting here since 09 (several accounts as I've been banned a few times) and I know Rollie, in fact I have pm's from him where he responds with laughter at some of the debates that happen.

So my point over all to you new growers reading this is that I have been posting here longer than MMG has been growing and my post include pics, and actually pretty good pics that pretty much back up things I share. On the other hand Church is just a pissy old dude set in his ways that loves his cheap ass HPS lights and is satisfied with his herb.

Growing this plant is a lot like religion and politics, there are a lot of opinions and disagreements everywhere. About lights, about defoliation, about flushing, about nutes, etc etc etc and there always will be and as a new growers it is up to you to decide the path to follow for your own needs, in the end it is all that matters. Know that all the constant debates that occur are simply good for website traffic and don't belong in our gardens

Another very important thing to always keep in mind is that different people have different reactions to various strains, it can be affected by several things and we don't all like the same things, be a sad world if we all drove only red cars LOL Some prefer a good stoned Indica couchlock, Some, like myself, prefer a good Sativa head high, some do both and call it day and night smoke. Some prefer lemon, some prefer pine, the list are practically endless. It is up to each of us as growers both old and new to find that strain that is the one, much like finding a mate. In my case I decided to find it by breeding it myself and I have done that, it took 9 years but I found it and you can too

 

[ttystikk]

Well, all said and done this is a thread about light that I started to share some of my findings over the years. There are obviously folks that disagree and there are trolls that inject nonsense to disrupt, (much like our current prez) But for new growers reading this, and I do hope that you read the whole thread as there are some good discussion points, the one thing I have never done is to tell folks to switch to T5's. I chose them so I could experiment with different spectrums and I have shared things I learned as a result. This is an ongoing experiment that I have been doing longer than MMG has been growing. He only trolls my threads because he dislikes me and that is his right, but you as new growers should take his post with a grain of salt as I have also been doing my experiments with sulfates longer than he has been growing and if you take the time to look on this very forum you can actually see trends that occur after I have shared results from experiments. Ok, there will be trolls that jump on that and ask me to show where, I'm not gonna give it to em, I hate feedin trolls LOL but if you look you'll see I'm sharing a truth

Also, if you look, you'll see I have never slammed HPS and have even recommended them to some growers. Also true is I have said that I myself would never use em but I have advised others should. In fact there is a commercial grow in Oregon that has their light system designed by me that is an HID set up with added T5's usin both HPS & MH HID lights that is totally kickin ass. They had a guy come in with a nice light meter that said it was the best indoor light spectrum he had ever tested at a commercial grow. The trolls will yell foul but I can have the owner come post to verify if needed

And they like to yell that I advise too much blue yet my results have been duplicated and quantified. There is a grower that totally duplicated my tanning booth setup and bought the bulbs I feel are the best, he was using HPS prior and he is a grower that ONLY harvest live resin, he does not save flowers nor does he smoke em. He does the squishy squish with a 20 ton press and has proclaimed a 20 to 30 percent increase in yield since changing to T5's NOTE: this is an increase in trics and resin, not bud, which if you follow and read my post is what I have said all along, I grow trics, not buds !!! It is after all the trics that hold the magic we all seek

Now that said, I'm still not tellin you new growers to go out and switch to T5's but admit there are a lot of growers that follow me that have. Some go all T5 as I have and some simply add them to other lights they already have. ALL of them have stated that their herb got better as a result. I've been posting here since 09 (several accounts as I've been banned a few times) and I know Rollie, in fact I have pm's from him where he responds with laughter at some of the debates that happen.

So my point over all to you new growers reading this is that I have been posting here longer than MMG has been growing and my post include pics, and actually pretty good pics that pretty much back up things I share. On the other hand Church is just a pissy old dude set in his ways that loves his cheap ass HPS lights and is satisfied with his herb.

Growing this plant is a lot like religion and politics, there are a lot of opinions and disagreements everywhere. About lights, about defoliation, about flushing, about nutes, etc etc etc and there always will be and as a new growers it is up to you to decide the path to follow for your own needs, in the end it is all that matters. Know that all the constant debates that occur are simply good for website traffic and don't belong in our gardens

Another very important thing to always keep in mind is that different people have different reactions to various strains, it can be affected by several things and we don't all like the same things, be a sad world if we all drove only red cars LOL Some prefer a good stoned Indica couchlock, Some, like myself, prefer a good Sativa head high, some do both and call it day and night smoke. Some prefer lemon, some prefer pine, the list are practically endless. It is up to each of us as growers both old and new to find that strain that is the one, much like finding a mate. In my case I decided to find it by breeding it myself and I have done that, it took 9 years but I found it and you can too

Preach, brother Riddle!

I've been there and seen his grow. It works, imagine that! Is it the biggest? No. The most efficient? No. Yield the most per square foot, per watt, per gram of nutes? No.

But even when I had a tolerance most people only dream of (or have nightmares about lol), his was the only weed that could knock me out stone cold on his couch!

You know you're doing something new when you attract a bunch of haters. They fear the challenge to their preconceptions because they don't want to question anything in their little world. But without us, progress wouldn't happen.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Unless you grow in a cold climate and rely on the bulbs for heat.

I would have to run a heater with my lighting. almost 6 months every year.

The bulbs save me over 500 gallons of propane every winter.

And quality bulbs last closer to a year so your math is exaggerated like a salesman.

I can relate. My garage setup can vent inside our outside, depending on ambient temps.