LED light question

Odin*

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The OP wanted some straightforward, unbiased information- not opinion- about the setup and operation of LED lighting and @Odin* and @Heil Tweetler got so wrapped up in your shit flinging contest that you ruined it for him.

Nobody gives a shit what either of you THINK about the tech, he just wanted some answers.

He deserves an apology from both of you. Let's see if either of you are man enough to admit that you owe him one and step up.

I directly addressed OP's question and later elaborated upon that answer. I did have to tread through quite a bit of H Twit shit to get there and after his last few replies to you I believe you can understand "why". It's clear who is trying to help, as well as who is trying troll us right through an oil spill. In that scenario, I'm the whale sinking his dingy.
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

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Why are LED fanboys always so angry? If anyone says anything about hps, they cry like little pussies, or start spewing all kinds of info on photons .LMFAO
I can't tell you how many threads I get locked out of because they can't handle hearing the truth about their precious lights.
at least greengenes post pics of his grows, Granted, it takes him 20 grand in lights to light up an 8 x 4, but he is trying.
 

ttystikk

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Why are LED fanboys always so angry? If anyone says anything about hps, they cry like little pussies, or start spewing all kinds of info on photons .LMFAO
I can't tell you how many threads I get locked out of because they can't handle hearing the truth about their precious lights.
at least greengenes post pics of his grows, Granted, it takes him 20 grand in lights to light up an 8 x 4, but he is trying.
If you're the one getting kicked out of so many threads, just maybe it isn't everyone else?

Your bedside manner must be amazing; do you just leave the scalpel on the bedside table for them to slit their wrists with?
 

Dr.Nick Riviera

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If you're the one getting kicked out of so many threads, just maybe it isn't everyone else?

Your bedside manner must be amazing; do you just leave the scalpel on the bedside table for them to slit their wrists with?
do you have any NEW material? you're a broken record.
I ONLY get locked out of LED threads where they cry like little bitches if you speak the truth.
That is why you had to reply to my post, cause you're the bitchiest of them all.
 

ttystikk

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do you have any NEW material? you're a broken record.
I ONLY get locked out of LED threads where they cry like little bitches if you speak the truth.
That is why you had to reply to my post, cause you're the bitchiest of them all.
The truth is that ignorance is being unaware of the truth, whereas stupidity is knowing and ignoring it anyway.

You say the same stupid shit in every thread- then get kicked out for picking fights.

And you want to call someone else a broken record?
 

Odin*

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A photon is a photon. All photons travel at the speed of light. Whether the photon comes from an HPS or an LED is and the height is of no consequence. The density of the light affects the number of photons per second for a given area.

In horticulture the number of photons, in µmoles, per square meter per second is the standard measurement. Plants use photons regardless of the energy the photon carries and this is why a quantum measurement is used.

200 high quality 3 watt (200 x 1amp x 3.0v) will produce more photons per second than a 1000W HPS. This was proven by Cree with their Horticulture Reference Design compared to a Gavita Pro HPS 1000W.

Photon output can be produced and measured in many ways. There are LED fixtures (e.g. Heliospectra) that do a better job than HPS. Higher photon output, adjustable spectrum, and better uniformity. High price tag, lower operating costs. Superior to HPS.

Then there are the cheap inefficient fixtures with inefficient LEDs, inefficient power supplies, poor thermal management, and poor uniformity. Low price tag with high operating costs. Inferior to HPS.

When a vendor compares their photon output to HPS in watts, they are more often than not, lying. Example 600W HPS equivalence with 120 five watt LEDs.

There are those that evaluate a fixture by the wall watt draw. These cheap fixtures can draw twice the current and output half the photons as another fixture with the same wall watt draw. The efficiency of the LEDs 30% cheap Chinese - 80% Cree XP-3G) and power supply range from 70% Cheap Chinese to 95% Mean Well. As long as buyers use wall watts to compare the low efficiency parts will continue to be used.

This fixture below has 132 of the cheap inefficient LEDs so called 5 watt. But the watt rating of an LED does not equal forward voltage x current. White and blue have are about 3v and red and yellow have about 2v forward voltages. The estimated total forward voltage here is 320v. The LEDs are powered by four 70v-90v, 500mA LED drivers. Divide 320v by 4 = 80v. But the brightness of a quality Cree or Lumiled white is many times brighter.



When I see a board that looks like this, it's just a waste of electricity.

This board has four columns of white LEDs (the yellow phosphor LEDs).



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The brightness of the LED is very dim compared to top tier LEDs.
This board could NEVER compete with HPS.
Notice the photo of white LEDs below this one was taken with the same camera at 500mA.


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The white above and below, are night and day. 200 of the LEDs below would beat HPS.


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Cheap LED drivers


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I appreciate that, but you're addressing this as if all photons are the same, and they are not.

On paper, "more photons" might sound great, but real world application tells the complete story (as far as the plants are concerned).
 

Odin*

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That is correct. I'm just going along with what Einstein said. Other than wavelength, what is different between your photon, Einstein's photon, and my photon?

I had wanted to respond, but forgot about this. It’s “function” over “form”, and only if you can prove infinite precision. I’ll explain when less inebriated.
 
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