History of Lies from our government!!

[ttystikk]

How will you apply those taxes? That is, how will you determine who has too much and how to take it away? If those people renounce their citizenship but still receive "rent," how will taxes do anything?
How much are they paying in gross, anyway?

Ideals can be great and noble, but they can be immensely difficult to achieve in reality. I don't quite see how this will balance forces on the surface, either.

Progressive taxation. Why are you making this out to be so 'hard'? Our grandparents did it, why can't we?

Plenty of other developed nations do it effectively, what's our problem? Kind of like the healthcare 'debate' in this regard.

Perhaps you can explain what would be so difficult?

 

[heckler73]

Perhaps you can explain what would be so difficult?

The ability for Capital Flight is greatly enhanced in this day. One doesn't need to convert assets into bonds or "my precious" to hustle it around. Tax havens still exist along with loopholes. There were loopholes in those days, too, which is why those "nominal" rates had little impact.
The "effective" rates were in the 30s. Not a helluva lot different from today.

Furthermore, the economy itself is a completely different beast from those days. Its makeup is far more service oriented instead of manufacturing based. Its size dwarfs that of the 1950s by orders of magnitude. Foreign investment is also a larger factor. Do you think that has negligible influence in this hypothesis?

However, I don't recall you explaining how this taxation will work to "make things better" as it were. Are you wanting to redistribute the money ala Robin Hood or...?

 

[ttystikk]

The ability for Capital Flight is greatly enhanced in this day. One doesn't need to convert assets into bonds or "my precious" to hustle it around. Tax havens still exist along with loopholes. There were loopholes in those days, too, which is why those "nominal" rates had little impact.
The "effective" rates were in the 30s. Not a helluva lot different from today.

Furthermore, the economy itself is a completely different beast from those days. Its makeup is far more service oriented instead of manufacturing based. Its size dwarfs that of the 1950s by orders of magnitude. Foreign investment is also a larger factor. Do you think that has negligible influence in this hypothesis?

However, I don't recall you explaining how this taxation will work to "make things better" as it were. Are you wanting to redistribute the money ala Robin Hood or...?

Taxation generally funds government programs.

If the money is earned in this country, taxes are payable in this country.

Mind telling me why you're questioning the idea so much? Would you rather the situation remain as it is? If so, why?

 

[UncleBuck]

The ability for Capital Flight is greatly enhanced in this day. One doesn't need to convert assets into bonds or "my precious" to hustle it around. Tax havens still exist along with loopholes. There were loopholes in those days, too, which is why those "nominal" rates had little impact.
The "effective" rates were in the 30s. Not a helluva lot different from today.

Furthermore, the economy itself is a completely different beast from those days. Its makeup is far more service oriented instead of manufacturing based. Its size dwarfs that of the 1950s by orders of magnitude. Foreign investment is also a larger factor. Do you think that has negligible influence in this hypothesis?

However, I don't recall you explaining how this taxation will work to "make things better" as it were. Are you wanting to redistribute the money ala Robin Hood or...?

ONOZ!!!! IF WE REDISTRIBUTE THEN ALL THE GODLY JOB CREATORS WILL FLEE!!!!!! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO BUT AQUIESCE TO PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO HAIL FROM KEKISTAN AND ALSO CLAIM THAT CO2 IS NOT EVEN A GREENHOUSE GAS?

 

[heckler73]

Mind telling me why you're questioning the idea so much? Would you rather the situation remain as it is? If so, why?

I question it mainly because I don't believe that is a solution to current perceived woes in society, in this case poverty.
Provincial taxes (with a few exceptions) will fund the Province (i.e. currency user), but the Federal level doesn't need to do that. Its motive is different, more behavioural, not financial.

If the gov't doesn't know how to spend the taxes in the first place to benefit the masses, how do you think they'll do with more of it? They need more ideas to develop capital, both human and physical, not more money. The US needs more doctors (2.1 per 1000 in 2002, 52nd in the world), not insurance, to use the healthcare analogy. Do you see what I am getting at?
Punitive financial action is not enough. It needs a synergistic outlet, not just handouts. It needs a reason which I still haven't seen from your train of thought, quite yet. That's not to say you don't have one.

So in answer to your last question, I would rather it remain as is instead of a knee-jerk, blanket attack on wealth. There are more reasonable avenues to achieve the broader societal ascendance you seek, I suspect.

 

[UncleBuck]

I question it mainly because I don't believe that is a solution to current perceived woes in society, in this case poverty.
Provincial taxes (with a few exceptions) will fund the Province (i.e. currency user), but the Federal level doesn't need to do that. Its motive is different, more behavioural, not financial.

If the gov't doesn't know how to spend the taxes in the first place to benefit the masses, how do you think they'll do with more of it? They need more ideas to develop capital, both human and physical, not more money. The US needs more doctors (2.1 per 1000 in 2002, 52nd in the world), not insurance, to use the healthcare analogy. Do you see what I am getting at?
Punitive financial action is not enough. It needs a synergistic outlet, not just handouts. It needs a reason which I still haven't seen from your train of thought, quite yet. That's not to say you don't have one.

So in answer to your last question, I would rather it remain as is instead of a knee-jerk, blanket attack on wealth. There are more reasonable avenues to achieve the broader societal ascendance you seek, I suspect.

i'm glad you write in purple, because that is some bullshit purple prose right there.

besides, are you really saying that your hero trump is too dumb to know how to spend more tax revenue from billionaires like himself?

i bet those kekis just eat your shit right up, eh?

 

[Johnnycannaseed1]

Okay I understand your frustrations, but it's time you truly understood the enemy; it isn't the faceless corporations, it's their major stockholders.

There's a few thousand families in America who 'earn' a hundred million a year or more on their assets and they don't care who burns or dies as long as they get their money. THOSE are the motherfuckers destroying our country to get a better tax break.

Hate THEM. And everything their lapdog politicians do to get their tax deductible campaign cash.

Hey Ttystikk, I hear what you are saying but there is way more to the twisted Picture, allow me to present HJR 192.

To Quote:

HJR 192

On March 9, 1933 - House 73rd Congress, Session I. Chapter I, page # 83, 1 st paragraph, third sentence it states: "Under the new law the money is issued to the banks in return for Government obligations, bills of exchange, drafts, notes, trade acceptances, and bankers acceptances. The money will be worth 1 00 cents on the dollar because it is backed by the credit of the nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and other property of all the people in the nation. " (Emphasis added)


House Joint Resolution 1 92, June 5, 1933, states that one cannot demand a certain form of currency that they want to receive if it is dollar for dollar as ALL CURRENCY IS YOUR CREDIT ! ! If they do, they are in breach of the contract of HJR 1 92. You have already accepted this contract and now they must perform.


Pursuant to this contractual resolution expounded upon by the corporation that you are discharging the debt pursuant to HJR 1 92, they must give you a Letter of Release or Payment in Full in the form of discharge. If they ask you, "Where does the money come from to pay for the items?" you should correct them and say, "There is no money because the UNITED STATES and all municipalities are in bankruptcy and the only currency that exists is that of all the people's credit." You could also tell them, "The U S Trust Fund i s where all of the people' s property has been collateralized to create the credit of their nation." If they appear confused, show them a copy of the 73rd Congress, March 9, 1933 where it says: "(The new money) will be backed by the credit of the nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and property of all the people in the nation. "

IN THEIR OWN WRITING THEY AGREE ALL PEOPLE IN THE NATION ARE THE CREDITORS!


Note: from 1776 to 1789 United States was a confederation and after 1789 it was a singular incorporated federal nation system. It is well settled that "United States" et al is a corporation, originally incorporated February 21, 1871 under the name "District of Columbia," 16 Stat. 419 Chapter 62. It was reorganized June 11, 1878; a bankrupt organization per House Joint Resolution 192 on June 5, 1933, Senate Report 93-549, and Executive Orders 6072, 6102, and 6246; a de facto (define de facto) government, originally the ten square mile tract ceded by Maryland and Virginia and comprising
Washington D. c., plus the possessions, territories, forts, and arsenals


The significance of this is that, as a corporation, the United States has no more authority to implement its laws against "We The People" of all walks of life, than does MacDonald Corporations, except for one thing -- the contracts we've signed as surety for our Straw-man with the United States and the Creditor Bankers.


Have you never questioned what the special relationship is between the UNITED STATES and England is, who do you think created the UNITED STATES more to the point where is the UNITED STATES Incorporated?


THE UNITED STATES as a corporation, created/inorporated in England by and through treaty in 1871 as an English corporation, and now came under the jurisdiction of England. This entitled England to create laws as England saw fit to do. Yup, these laws are nothing more than a fiction of a corporate body and you are merely paying Taxes (building debt) to/with the corporation owned by England, which is owned by the???


In order to understand the reality you live in you first of all need to truly grasp what money is and what money isn’t, you also need to grasp what Credit is and the fact that the world runs on it (not so-called money). And finally, you need to Grasp what De Facto Governments and so-called countries are and that in reality they are nothing more than Corporations owned by an elite few establishments and currently held in Trust for???

Your perception of reality, unfortunately, is based on one big lie which is nothing more than an elaborate well-constructed illusion, the people are being played like a fiddle.

On my part far from being frustrated I have actually become liberated by this Truth and I can live as they do, and not pay Taxes just as they do... Hopefully, one day you will come to realize the Truth and how abiding in it can set you free.... the world is nothing more than a Theatre, as they say, my advice is, stop buying into the Theatrics and all will become clear as day

 

[UncleBuck]

Hey Ttystikk, I hear what you are saying but there is way more to the twisted Picture, allow me to present HJR 192.

To Quote:

HJR 192

On March 9, 1933 - House 73rd Congress, Session I. Chapter I, page # 83, 1 st paragraph, third sentence it states: "Under the new law the money is issued to the banks in return for Government obligations, bills of exchange, drafts, notes, trade acceptances, and bankers acceptances. The money will be worth 1 00 cents on the dollar because it is backed by the credit of the nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and other property of all the people in the nation. " (Emphasis added)


House Joint Resolution 1 92, June 5, 1933, states that one cannot demand a certain form of currency that they want to receive if it is dollar for dollar as ALL CURRENCY IS YOUR CREDIT ! ! If they do, they are in breach of the contract of HJR 1 92. You have already accepted this contract and now they must perform.


Pursuant to this contractual resolution expounded upon by the corporation that you are discharging the debt pursuant to HJR 1 92, they must give you a Letter of Release or Payment in Full in the form of discharge. If they ask you, "Where does the money come from to pay for the items?" you should correct them and say, "There is no money because the UNITED STATES and all municipalities are in bankruptcy and the only currency that exists is that of all the people's credit." You could also tell them, "The U S Trust Fund i s where all of the people' s property has been collateralized to create the credit of their nation." If they appear confused, show them a copy of the 73rd Congress, March 9, 1933 where it says: "(The new money) will be backed by the credit of the nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and property of all the people in the nation. "

IN THEIR OWN WRITING THEY AGREE ALL PEOPLE IN THE NATION ARE THE CREDITORS!


Note: from 1776 to 1789 United States was a confederation and after 1789 it was a singular incorporated federal nation system. It is well settled that "United States" et al is a corporation, originally incorporated February 21, 1871 under the name "District of Columbia," 16 Stat. 419 Chapter 62. It was reorganized June 11, 1878; a bankrupt organization per House Joint Resolution 192 on June 5, 1933, Senate Report 93-549, and Executive Orders 6072, 6102, and 6246; a de facto (define de facto) government, originally the ten square mile tract ceded by Maryland and Virginia and comprising
Washington D. c., plus the possessions, territories, forts, and arsenals


The significance of this is that, as a corporation, the United States has no more authority to implement its laws against "We The People" of all walks of life, than does MacDonald Corporations, except for one thing -- the contracts we've signed as surety for our Straw-man with the United States and the Creditor Bankers.


Have you never questioned what the special relationship is between the UNITED STATES and England is, who do you think created the UNITED STATES more to the point where is the UNITED STATES Incorporated?


THE UNITED STATES as a corporation, created/inorporated in England by and through treaty in 1871 as an English corporation, and now came under the jurisdiction of England. This entitled England to create laws as England saw fit to do. Yup, these laws are nothing more than a fiction of a corporate body and you are merely paying Taxes (building debt) to/with the corporation owned by England, which is owned by the???


In order to understand the reality you live in you first of all need to truly grasp what money is and what money isn’t, you also need to grasp what Credit is and the fact that the world runs on it (not so-called money). And finally, you need to Grasp what De Facto Governments and so-called countries are and that in reality they are nothing more than Corporations owned by an elite few establishments and currently held in Trust for???

Your perception of reality, unfortunately, is based on one big lie which is nothing more than an elaborate well-constructed illusion, the people are being played like a fiddle.

On my part far from being frustrated I have actually become liberated by this Truth and I can live as they do, and not pay Taxes just as they do... Hopefully, one day you will come to realize the Truth and how abiding in it can set you free.... the world is nothing more than a Theatre, as they say, my advice is, stop buying into the Theatrics and all will become clear as day

lemme just ask one thing: what part do jew bankers play in all of this?

 

[Johnnycannaseed1]

lemme just ask one thing: what part do jew bankers play in all of this?

That is another smoke and Mirrors deception, what most folks perceive to be Jews are not, their European/Caucasus bloodlines have no connection to the "True" Abrahamic/Israelite Bloodlines of Olde.

Besides Jewishness is a religious rite as in those that follow the Mosiac law/ the Torah...and since these folks have no connection to the original 12 tribes of Israel...(Judah being the one they have tried to usurp) they, therefore, cannot claim Judah/Ju-ishness as their racial line as much as they might profess otherwise... You only have to look at them to see historically they did not come from the Middle Eastern region, clearly, their Ancestry is Caucasian/European.

Since the Faux Secular so-called Jews, for the most part, do not follow any religion, nor believe in God, nor have any connection to any of the original tribes 12 of Jacob/Israel then you tell me on what basis are they Ju-ish?

Israel historically was/is a people, not a Country, the Fact Israel is promoted as a Country rather than a people who are the descendants of Jacob/Israel is just another layer to the lie.

Now if you want to talk about the Folk that created the Matrix most believe to be real, the same Folk who just so happen to follow the Talmud, Invented Kabbalah, Created Catholicism, Banks and every War in modern/and not so modern history, well that's a different story altogether!

 

[UncleBuck]

That is another smoke and Mirrors deception, what most folks perceive to be Jews are not, their European/Caucasus bloodlines have no connection to the "True" Abrahamic/Israelite Bloodlines of Olde.

Besides Jewishness is a religious rite as in those that follow the Mosiac law/ the Torah...and since these folks have no connection to the original 12 tribes of Israel...(Judah being the one they have tried to usurp) they, therefore, cannot claim Judah/Ju-ishness as their racial line as much as they might profess otherwise... You only have to look at them to see historically they did not come from the Middle Eastern region, clearly, their Ancestry is Caucasian/European.

Since the Faux Secular so-called Jews, for the most part, do not follow any religion, nor believe in God, nor have any connection to any of the original tribes of Jacob/Israel then you tell me on what basis are they Ju-ish?

Now if you want to talk about the Folk that created the Matrix most believe to be real, the same Folk who just so happen to follow the Talmud, Invented Kabbalah, Created Catholicism, Banks and every War in modern/and not so modern history, well that's a different story altogether!

loFUCKINGl

 

[UncleBuck]

"i'm not actually anti-semitic because the secret shape-shifting reptilian lizard jews who control the banks and media are actually secular fake jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[Johnnycannaseed1]

"i'm not actually anti-semitic because the secret shape-shifting reptilian lizard jews who control the banks and media are actually secular fake jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yes they are Fakes, but more to the point in order to be antisemitic would infer that that little state in the Middle East was the only one that spoke a Semitic language which historically is not true Arabs, Babylonians and Assyrians were/are also Semites by right, so the whole anti-semitic thing is a Misnomer and again another layer to the lie.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yes they are Fakes, but more to the point in order to be antisemitic would infer that that little state in the Middle East was the only one that spoke a Semitic language which historically is not true Arabs, Babylonians and Assyrians were/are also Semites by right, so the whole anti-semitic thing is a Misnomer and again another layer to the lie.

these are the most creative "i don't hate jews!!!!!" excuses i have ever heard. congrats.

 

[gg2]

History of them lying? When'd they tell the truth???

Never in my life time for real

 

[UncleBuck]

Never in my life time for real

did you sleep through the 8 years when barack obama was president, sweety?

or did you just turn off the TV when he was speaking because you were afraid he was gonna rob your single-wide through the television?

 

[gg2]

did you sleep through the 8 years when barack obama was president, sweety?

or did you just turn off the TV when he was speaking because you were afraid he was gonna rob your single-wide through the television?

sorry, UncleBuck, I perceive I have written the wrong response!! I am really speaking of UNITED STATES MILITARY SYSTEM.. way off I am on the subject I posted, but anywho.. I jus wanted to share this video...oh lawd what have I done can we be friends and be happy, so don't want any enemies on here.. especially you UncleBuck, I like your post and replies

 

[gg2]

sorry, UncleBuck, I perceive I have written the wrong response!! I am really speaking of UNITED STATES MILITARY SYSTEM.. way off I am on the subject I posted, but anywho.. I jus wanted to share this video...oh lawd what have I done can we be friends and be happy, so don't want any enemies on here.. especially you UncleBuck, I like your post and replies

Oh Yea and I don't live in a single wide , not that it matters

 

[gg2]

shut the fuck up you ignorant racist cunt.

Oh my =my-my- did I hit a nerve!! it seems as though you do not know much about what you speak of.. that's ok UncleBuck.. nobody is perfect....some advice.. weather you want it or not: start up your own group so you can step up to the plate of being a dismayed male that has no idea of how to perform without this audience here-- THANKS FROM THIS ARROGANT BISSHH AND PROUD OF IT.. takes more than something like you to put this gg2 down..

 

[UncleBuck]

Oh my =my-my- did I hit a nerve!! it seems as though you do not know much about what you speak of.. that's ok UncleBuck.. nobody is perfect....some advice.. weather you want it or not: start up your own group so you can step up to the plate of being a dismayed male that has no idea of how to perform without this audience here-- THANKS FROM THIS ARROGANT BISSHH AND PROUD OF IT.. takes more than something like you to put this gg2 down..

tell us more about how your black kid is gonna rob me.

 

[gg2]

tell me unclebuck...