the fck is wrong with lumber prices?

Rob Roy said:
I'll excuse your rude demeanor and attempt to engage you in civil discourse.

So do you believe that all peaceable people should have an equal right of self determination ?
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You are too intellectually dishonest to engage in civil discourse with.

Establish use of force. Who is being forced to live here, make a living here, and pay the costs of living, including taxes?
 
PCXV said:
You are too intellectually dishonest to engage in civil discourse with.

Establish use of force. Who is being forced to live here, make a living here, and pay the costs of living, including taxes?
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Well, I'll try to ask you some questions then, to get a better, "more intellectually honest" understanding of what our respective views are. It's important to at least know where we are each coming from eh ?

I think using offensive force is bad and that using defensive force is acceptable as long as it is really defensive force and proportionate to the circumstances. What do you think?

So, are you agreeing with me that using offensive force is bad, but disagreeing with me that a tax is an instance of government using offensive force ?
 
Rob Roy said:
Well, I'll try to ask you some questions then, to get a better, "more intellectually honest" understanding of what our respective views are. It's important to at least know where we are each coming from eh ?

I think using offensive force is bad and that using defensive force is acceptable as long as it is really defensive force and proportionate to the circumstances. What do you think?

So, are you agreeing with me that using offensive force is bad, but disagreeing with me that a tax is an instance of government using offensive force ?
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How would you prefer to pay for the services we all depend on?
No taxes = no roads, schools, national defense, etc.
 
Rob Roy said:
Well, I'll try to ask you some questions then, to get a better, "more intellectually honest" understanding of what our respective views are. It's important to at least know where we are each coming from eh ?

I think using offensive force is bad and that using defensive force is acceptable as long as it is really defensive force and proportionate to the circumstances. What do you think?

So, are you agreeing with me that using offensive force is bad, but disagreeing with me that a tax is an instance of government using offensive force ?
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Give me a few examples of each type of force to give me a better idea of your definitions.
 
PCXV said:
Give me a few examples of each type of force to give me a better idea of your definitions.
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Since you asked nicely, sure thing, I'll provide a couple of hypothetical examples for you.

You break into a house in order to steal another persons property. They hit you over the head with a lamp and you run away crying "Bernie, Bernie, please help me steal other peoples stuff"
Your theft is unsuccessful. You, were using offensive force, the person repelling you was using defensive force. How's that? It provides an example of both offensive force and defensive force.

You are solicited by the owner of a pack of sex starved wild dogs and you willingly and eagerly consent to their advances. In fact you set up a regular thing every Wednesday night at 7: 00 pm. That is an example of mutual consent. No force needed or used. (Don't forget the doggie treats)
 
CriticalCheeze said:
Lol... if we don't have taxes what are we left with for services? Pretty sure the list is quite short.
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That's an interesting, but faulty assumption.

It assumes because a thing is paid for by forcible redistribution, it would not or could not occur any other way.

You're a little slow aren't you?
 
Chunky Stool said:
How would you prefer to pay for the services we all depend on?
No taxes = no roads, schools, national defense, etc.
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"National defense" is Orwellian and is funded via debt notes and currency inflation. I could do without empire building etc.

Roads are important, so is food. If the government didn't grow food, we'd all starve!!!! No, wait that wouldn't happen. Ahem.

Schools which acquire funding via a coercion based tax are illegitimate and should not exist.
 
Rob Roy said:
That's an interesting, but faulty assumption.

It assumes because a thing is paid for by forcible redistribution, it would not or could not occur any other way.

You're a little slow aren't you?
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If there is no revenue to the government to pay out to government assisted or run programs, how do they get paid?
a fucking money tree? I may be slow, but we've all determined you're fucking a lot slower. Plus i'm not a pedophile.
also @tampee
 
"Your wife beats you when you think of buying a 'motor cycle' "
How can you call other people slow and retarded when you fuck up on simple daily tasks as easy as 'motorcycle'
Supervised visits don't constitute a loved grandfather. Just a shitty one.
 
Rob Roy said:
Roads are important, so is food. If the government didn't grow food, we'd all starve!!!! No, wait that wouldn't happen. Ahem.

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Not everyone has the means to be as self sufficient as you think. Even if they did, and if it were complete anarchy tomorrow, the only thing I expect one would be worried about is how to protect themselves from raiders cruising along and taking everything they have. I'm not sure telling them that they are forcing me to interact with them would make a squirt of piss difference when they are holding a shotgun at my head.
 
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