dstroy
Well-Known Member
Not the personal stuff, they just redacted damage to a certain space on the ship that's right by the captains cabin.
Veterans...Get the hell in here now!
- Thread starter 6ohMax
- Start date
There is absolutely no excuse for that type of shit to happen to a state of the art war ship.
None.
Negligence and lack of training/leadership is the only explanation.
None.
Negligence and lack of training/leadership is the only explanation.
Singlemalt
Well-Known Member
Be interested to know more about both Commanders prior duties and leadership.
dstroy
Well-Known Member
I agree, the vice cno agrees as well. One of those responsible has already been to admirals mast.
dstroy
Well-Known Member
I only searched a little bit about just the co
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/ddg62/Pages/bio2-28November2015-11March2017.aspx#.WZZYk4UpCEc
pabloesqobar
Well-Known Member
I know you were a FC - I was an STG. Same Department, usually, and same berthing. I wonder if the berthing that was flooded would've been the one we would've been in on that ship.
BarnBuster
Virtually Unknown Member
The photo's may have showed the bodies or parts there of in situ, the more I thought about it.
I imagine smart CO's already reviewed their Captain's Standing and Night Orders in detail with their crew when they heard about this. A real shame that most Military Orders and Procedures have to be written in blood.
PetFlora
Well-Known Member
sad, but all too true
dstroy
Well-Known Member
Yes, berthing one was "combat systems" berthing two was "engineering". We would have been in Berthing one.
dstroy
Well-Known Member
So the triad just got relieved for cause, CO, XO, CMC. The next heads that will roll are probably: OOD, JOOD, lookouts (especially aft lookout), Bright bridge (surface search radar watchstander on the bridge), the navigator (culpable because he/she is in charge of nav training), TAO/TAC, maybe the OSS operator, and surface.
BarnBuster
Virtually Unknown Member
Singlemalt
Well-Known Member
WTF - these ships are literally the highest tech on the water & those dumb asses are crashing into other merchant ships.
Training must be slipping as that shit is simply unacceptable.
Lazy/stupid matrix
BarnBuster
Virtually Unknown Member
I guess I spoke too soon about smart CO's, I mean, wouldn't all crew be hyper vigilant, especially steaming in that area?
Last edited:
dstroy
Well-Known Member
Yeah, tons of people are going to get fired and maybe go to jail (for negligence), depends on the outcome of the investigation.
They've been reducing manning on destroyers and cruisers for a while. When I got to my first boat which was a destroyer the crew was about 360 which is maximum, and then they (big navy) kept reducing manning more and more to try and save money, down to 270. So everyone was doing more work and getting less sleep. I know that a normal work week for me was about 70 hours on average (a lot of times more than 100). On top of that you have watch, which I don't count towards "work", and that's a guaranteed every day thing which is not at the same time and there is no promise that you will get to sleep after it's over.
Sleep takes a backseat, and people get complacent because they're tired and think someone else is watching. Usually this happens (in my experience) because the command triad is really disconnected from the pulse of the crew and pushes them way too hard, or they don't care about the crew and only care about their fitreps.
You would hope so, apparently not. I don't know all the variables though.I guess I spoke too soon about smart CO's, I mean, wouldn't all crew be hyper vigilant, especially steaming in that area?
In close proximity of ports or other vessels every CG ship I was ever on went to "Special Sea Detail" which effectively means all hands to their stations - no sleeping/fucking around.I guess I spoke too soon about smart CO's, I mean, wouldn't all crew be hyper vigilant, especially steaming in that area?
We ran aground on a sandbar once in False Pass - the first navigable passage in the Aleutians between the Gulf of Alaska and the Bearing Sea.
Named that because the currents are treacherous and the sandbars are constantly shifting - many times we had to resort to hand sounding with a lead line.
Pumping F/W tanks & waiting on the tide did the trick.
NTS, always work aids to navigation on a rising tide.
dstroy
Well-Known Member
They still do the same thing only now it's called "sea and anchor detail". There are only a few people who aren't assigned a station and they just help where needed. (I was on a cruiser and a destroyer)