The flush "myth"

[whitebb2727]

Im not a big smoker but another thing i hear people say is that the newer strains dont have the stages that the older smoke has.

Like that good old creeper weed. It would take an hour or better for it to fully come on. Anyone that's had it knows. They screwed up and rolled another joint.

 

[TopShelf85]

You just keep smokin them Green plants White, that nitrogen is frying you brain. The plants starts to realize it's fate by near harvest and starts to cannibalize it's self and actually stops up taking water, so that cancels out your stupid elements theory, can't eat with out water so, and unless your smoking the roots, your theory is bunk. When a cannabis plant nears death the stems hollow and stop up taking water! Let it rat it's reserved nutrients and bam there goes your earthy, nasty smelling chemical that were present in the buds.

 

[ANC]

I would love to have some.

Ill be honest. I spend several hundred bucks a few times a year on seeds. What ever is popular and what used to be when I can find it.

All of those seeds and I find myself dipping back into my stash of seeds from landrace strains.

Some were 20 weekers to begin with but are down to about 12-14 after years of acclamation.

I would love to have some of your landrace stuff. I tend to like stuff like that better.

We will make a plan to get you some before your outdoor season starts. Our landrace weed has a different hit than the foreign stuff. It is very cerebral, but like a fuzzy blanket that someone covered you with at the same time.

 

[whitebb2727]

We will make a plan to get you some before your outdoor season starts.

Mine is ending so I have plenty of time.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Once again show your ignorance. Its not all about thc. A 15% strain can hit harder than a 20%.

Why? There are over 60 cannabinoids. Its about how all of them work together. Even terpenes have an effect on the buzz.

Most of these new designer high thc strains lack something. The buzz is lacking.

Not saying they are all bad. Just saying you don't know how cannabis works.

No doubt. Weak of mind and will.


You have a great garden as well.

I'm just saying that he didn't rat you out. He invited another person to a private message. Oh my god. The humanity.

Come on. That's not a rat. Your feels got hurt and you won't let it go.

Nothing personal. Its just wrong for you to call the man a rat when he never ratted you out.

What was going on with me and rid was personal. We were in a heated private thing. When his feelings got hurt and he did not like my opinion he "invited" someone in accidentally and I was not meant to read the original message to the other person.

Then rid posted only the negatives against me from the messages between us. And he had been acting fucked up toward me before that. Especially when he met my friend at his house and the subsequent negative review of his weed.

And it goes on from there because he really pissed me off with the lies and misdirection. I had liked his site and my journal there.

Please understand. I was arguing with him that he was full of crap before he invited me in and never saw any evidence otherwise.

And Ttystick was an ass to me from my first night here. It's somewhere back on his vertical goodness thread. And I sure didn't start that either. I just have that brutal honest quality that really hurts the frauds.

And the grower I met in person that is likely under survailance. Well........

 

[Lucky Luke]

Like that good old creeper weed. It would take an hour or better for it to fully come on. Anyone that's had it knows. They screwed up and rolled another joint.

yea..lol.

You got home from work, smashed 4 cones and goodnight!. High just kept rolling on,

 

[TopShelf85]

Even if the soil is packed with nutes, if you wait long enough, witch most people chop way early, she'll start turning deficient on her own. Fuck you and your cheap brain dead theories.

 

[ANC]

I'm burning to do a back to back outdoor grow, but the indoor grow is too big, don't want to draw attention.

Soil is not the same as soil in a pot and that is not the same as coco and that is not the same as running hydroton etc. Each substrate will have another method for depriving and stripping the plant of nutes we don't want to smoke. Well, actually with just outside in the dirt, you are SOL, the plant will use everything there is if it can.

 

[BabyLobsterito]

Im not a big smoker but another thing i hear people say is that the newer strains dont have the stages that the older smoke has.

It's very hit or miss in my opinion. I'd say 3/4 of them have a very short effect, like THCV, minus its' fast onset properties.
These attributes are also expressed greatly in their extracted forms. Nothing worse than Hash/Oil of some sort that costs out the ass, and 30 minutes after ingestion I notice its already diminished greatly, like the ass-end hour/2 hours of a Sat. dominant hybrid... Minus the uplifting Sativa effects. Just my opinion though, apologies if i'm throwing my 2 cents around too much.

 

[Lucky Luke]

It's very hit or miss in my opinion. I'd say 3/4 of them have a very short effect, like THCV, minus its' fast onset properties.
These attributes are also expressed greatly in their extracted forms. Nothing worse than Hash/Oil of some sort that costs out the ass, and 30 minutes after ingestion I notice its already diminished greatly, like the ass-end hour/2 hours of a Sat. dominant hybrid... Minus the uplifting Sativa effects. Just my opinion though, apologies if i'm throwing my 2 cents around too much.

I find it interesting. I havent bought pot in well over a decade and certainly havent had any mass produced pot in longer than that. I made some hash oil from some Australian Blue (Hazy Sativa) a few months ago and it hits harder than the flowers but hasnt the legs the flower has.

 

[whitebb2727]

What was going on with me and rid was personal. We were in a heated private thing. When his feelings got hurt and he did not like my opinion he "invited" someone in accidentally and I was not meant to read the original message to the other person.

Then rid posted only the negatives against me from the messages between us. And he had been acting fucked up toward me before that. Especially when he met my friend at his house and the subsequent negative review of his weed.

And it goes on from there because he really pissed me off with the lies and misdirection. I had liked his site and my journal there.

Please understand. I was arguing with him that he was full of crap before he invited me in and never saw any evidence otherwise.

And Ttystick was an ass to me from my first night here. It's somewhere back on his vertical goodness thread. And I sure didn't start that either. I just have that brutal honest quality that really hurts the frauds.

And the grower I met in person that is likely under survailance. Well........

That's what I'm talking about. I never mentioned ttystick.

You hold on to things. You also blow them out of proportion.

I also know why. I read why in some threads over there.

It really doesn't matter. Never say something behind someone's back you wouldn't say to their face.

He invited someone to a private message. That an option in private messages.

Bottom line is he didn't rat you out. He didnt release your info and most important he didn't rat you out to the police.

You instigated some of that over there. Move one.

 

[ANC]

I find it interesting. I havent bought pot in well over a decade and certainly havent had any mass produced pot in longer than that. I made some hash oil from some Australian Blue (Hazy Sativa) a few months ago and it hits harder than the flowers but hasnt the legs the flower has.

I go through bags of the shit, got 100g for a bit less than $50 yesterday...

 

[whitebb2727]

You just keep smokin them Green plants White, that nitrogen is frying you brain. The plants starts to realize it's fate by near harvest and starts to cannibalize it's self and actually stops up taking water, so that cancels out your stupid elements theory, can't eat with out water so, and unless your smoking the roots, your theory is bunk. When a cannabis plant nears death the stems hollow and stop up taking water! Let it rat it's reserved nutrients and bam there goes your earthy, nasty smelling chemical that were present in the buds.

Even if the soil is packed with nutes, if you wait long enough, witch most people chop way early, she'll start turning deficient on her own. Fuck you and your cheap brain dead theories.

Nope. Sorry. You fail again.

What the fuck you think are in green buds? They very stuff that moved from the yellow leaves.

You still haven't provided the science. Just compared them to tree leaves. By the way, which is a totally different process.

How do you explain growing various crops year round in a green house?

See when you grow indoors you want to emulate the best nature has to offer and leave the rest.

Do you really think that plants suck the nutrients straight up and we smoke them? That's fucking stupid.

Think of it this way. That plant grew from what you fed it. How can you remove that? You can't.

You are ignorant. You have no idea how any of this works. None.

Once again. I grow organic. I give my plants nothing but water. They choose what they want.

What does that mean? It means that they want to uptake to the end.

 

[BabyLobsterito]

I find it interesting. I havent bought pot in well over a decade and certainly havent had any mass produced pot in longer than that. I made some hash oil from some Australian Blue (Hazy Sativa) a few months ago and it hits harder than the flowers but hasnt the legs the flower has.

I should go with saying, I judge THCV based on landrace Thai, one of the genes I mentioned working with earlier. So I think I am probably biased there... But it interests me as well, because on one hand it opens the door to new possibilities and developments/studies of THC as a whole and as isolated molecules, but it also worries me (like I mentioned prior) that it's going to be TOO common of an issue to run into (Short duration, lack of full cannabinoid "spectrum" etc), and it's a direct relation to the breeding out of traits purposely (The Phenohunting Hype storming Instagram), and that somewhere down the line I'm going to have to do the same Geno/Pheno selection processes JUST TO GET NATURALLY OCCURRING, ESTABLISHED LANDRACE genetics BACK, to restore the all the traits and genetic structures that "My Generation" demanded be bred out. I would much rather spend the large amounts of money and my life on proper equipment/location/education just to preserve the genetic stock of True genetics and the old hybrids that started all these strains (as well as preserving vegetable and fruit gene stock, because smoking won't do us a whole lot of good in the future if we're starving), than spending the equivalent time/money working these strains in reverse to try and get the genes back as best as possible, just because people had to follow a hype/trend.

That's me though. I apologize for the long rant

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

That's what I'm talking about. I never mentioned ttystick.

You hold on to things. You also blow them out of proportion.

I also know why. I read why in some threads over there.

It really doesn't matter. Never say something behind someone's back you wouldn't say to their face.

He invited someone to a private message. That an option in private messages.

Bottom line is he didn't rat you out. He didnt release your info and most important he didn't rat you out to the police.

You instigated some of that over there. Move one.

I just told you it was different than you just repeated and I never said to police. I said it's like that. Using someone's info you trusted them with against them.

The rest has come up recently in this thread. And I didn't do anything but respond to alerts since an earlier comment.

and it is you bumping this to the front for no reason. Not me.

 

[whitebb2727]

I should go with saying, I judge THCV based on landrace Thai, one of the genes I mentioned working with earlier. So I think I am probably biased there... But it interests me as well, because on one hand it opens the door to new possibilities and developments/studies of THC as a whole and as isolated molecules, but it also worries me (like I mentioned prior) that it's going to be TOO common of an issue to run into (Short duration, lack of full cannabinoid "spectrum" etc), and it's a direct relation to the breeding out of traits purposely (The Phenohunting Hype storming Instagram), and that somewhere down the line I'm going to have to do the same Geno/Pheno selection processes JUST TO GET NATURALLY OCCURRING, ESTABLISHED LANDRACE genetics BACK, to restore the all the traits and genetic structures that "My Generation" demanded be bred out. I would much rather spend the large amounts of money and my life on proper equipment/location/education just to preserve the genetic stock of True genetics and the old hybrids that started all these strains (as well as preserving vegetable and fruit gene stock, because smoking won't do us a whole lot of good in the future if we're starving), than spending the equivalent time/money working these strains in reverse to try and get the genes back as best as possible, just because people had to follow a hype/trend.

That's me though. I apologize for the long rant

Its cool man. I get it.

I do the same. I grow all my vegetables and flowers from heirloom seeds.

Yes. I do grow some hybrid vegetables. Non gmo.

I still save genetics though. I got all kinds of seeds stashed.

 

[TopShelf85]

Dude you really are starting to show your true knowledge. What don't you understand. Flushing is the act of leaching the plant in its final days. Done properly when growth has ceased and harvest window is open, you assisting you plant to do what is already happening. Chlorophyll is what makes plants darker green, and chlorophyll is bitter in taste and makes for bad burn ability. The more you rid/flush the plant the lighter in color the bud will become, and if you don't time the harvest properly your sugar leaves can and will turn yellow and die, at this point you've flushed for to long, only because people don't like yellow buds obviously, but in truth yellow buds would mean less nutrient present in the bud. It takes me back to why people that have grown in pre fertilized miracle grow, when they have to wear goggles to cover their eyes from the snap crackling nutrient filled weed their smoking. All that is is they've chopped their plant be for the plant has realized it's fate and prepared to die and, by waiting it could have all been averted if the person would have waited for the stems to hollow and stop up taking water, the plant will canabilize itself, even with nutrients present in the root ball.

 

[whitebb2727]

I just told you it was different than you just repeated and I never said to police. I said it's like that. Using someone's info you trusted them with against them.

The rest has come up recently in this thread. And I didn't do anything but respond to alerts since an earlier comment.

and it is you bumping this to the front for no reason. Not me.

I know it's me bumping it.

Just saying. He wasn't a rat. He didn't rat you out. No. It wasn't like doing the same a ratting.

He invited a third person to a conversation. You were welcome to leave the conversation anytime. It also didn't harm you in any way.

It missed you off and apparently hurt your feelings or something.

Why else make a big deal of it.

Yea I keep talking about it. I thought that's what you wanted. You have been bitching about for months.

 

[whitebb2727]

Dude you really are starting to show your true knowledge. What don't you understand. Flushing is the act of leaching the plant in its final days. Done properly when growth has ceased and harvest window is open, you assisting you plant to do what is already happening. Chlorophyll is what makes plants darker green, and chlorophyll is bitter in taste and makes for bad burn ability. The more you rid/flush the plant the lighter in color the bud will become, and if you don't time the harvest properly your sugar leaves can and will turn yellow and die, at this point you've flushed for to long, only because people don't like yellow buds obviously, but in truth yellow buds would mean less nutrient present in the bud. It takes me back to why people that have grown in pre fertilized miracle grow, when they have to wear goggles to cover their eyes from the snap crackling nutrient filled weed their smoking. All that is is they've chopped their plant be for the plant has realized it's fate and prepared to die and, by waiting it could have all been averted if the person would have waited for the stems to hollow and stop up taking water, the plant will canabilize itself, even with nutrients present in the root ball.

What ever man. Still no science.

The buds are green when you smoke them. Chlorophyll breaks down. Hence the cure.

What are you not getting when they fade the shit you are claiming is happening in the opposite.

As that color leaves the leaves it moves to the bud.

I smoke buds not leaves.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I know it's me bumping it.

Just saying. He wasn't a rat. He didn't rat you out. No. It wasn't like doing the same a ratting.

He invited a third person to a conversation. You were welcome to leave the conversation anytime. It also didn't harm you in any way.

It missed you off and apparently hurt your feelings or something.

Why else make a big deal of it.

Yea I keep talking about it. I thought that's what you wanted. You have been bitching about for months.

Only when it is correcting mis information until someone like you has to do this.

And again. It has a whole lot more to do with than your saying about a person invited in. Even that is not true.

 

[TopShelf85]

And here we are again. As the plant canabilize itself bud will become more and more light green to yellow and dead. Dark green tell you it's got a lot of chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is bitter in taste, and makes for bad burnability. Just dont Let the plant canabilize itself up to the point of full blown yellow sugar leaves. Witch would make for good produce but bad visual.