ttystikk
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This was another big reason I shitcanned all my HID lamps, lol
All LED Indoor Grow- Quantum Boards vs AutoCob's
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Evil-Mobo
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Hortilux has also been messing around with LEDs but have found nothing of substance thus far to have them bring anything to market (yet). I'm not here to argue one light technology vs another. I am simply sharing "my" experience with the things I do and gear I use. It's up to every individual to make up their own mind. My biggest issue on here when I first joined is it's hard to find un biased feedback from people. So that's my goal with my logs. I don't sugar coat things and I show the good and the bad especially when the errors were on me. This is how we learn not by showing only the good in a grow and starting a log half way through flower and saying hey look what I did. The ceramic hps may mean shit to you and that's fine I'm not trying to convince you to get one I am simply speaking of it with others who seem to share the same interest as me. For me it's easy having three 600 watt hortilux ballast here to just swap a bulb and try something new. For whatever reason I have not found the same results as others with a lot of things could be me could be my environment could be a combination of it all. One thing for sure though if I do my organics and use hid lights there is no wondering if the run will turn out ok, if it doesn't it's because I messed up somewhere.
I always appreciate your input man but I honestly don't know why we have to continually rehash what I am doing and why. So let me say it again right now it was an up from cost thing for me. When I have the funds I will be looking to add more of these cobs to my garden I really like them and how they perform. I did not like what the QB's we're doing to my plants especially the SBA which is a strain I am familiar with. Not saying you can't grow buds with them just not the right fit "for me" is all. And there's nothing wrong with that. I am in the process of chopping down a few girls tonight that are not up to par for me, two of them was my fault they dried out too much and got too far gone so I rather take good cuts from the tops and feed the worms in the pots than waste two months hoping for a sub par yield. I thankfully have the ability with my time etc to do things like this so If I don't like something out it goes. Simple as that. Two of my autos finishing up on flower got the chop tonight as well again the fuck up was on me. It is what it is. No sense in flowering out larf and ending up with an ounce off of a plant to throw into the trim pile.
My experience so far shows me led produces smaller buds than hid but more of them. Not better or worse jus different. Being that my background is in growing outdoors with fruits and veggies I know what a healthy outdoor plant looks like and I'm very picky with my garden the more comfortable I become as a grower. Most guys with LEDs and have never grown anything before let alone outside so they have no frame of reference. So to them they're just happy if they make it to harvest. I have higher expectations of myself and my plants. Doesn't make me better than anyone or anything like that just the way that "I am". We are all different and have different circumstances.
This is no different than cars. Yeah I can have a turbo 4 cylinder and save on gas etc etc and make decent power but a small block Chevy produces power for pennies on the dollar and if you add forced induction to one there's no way a damn four banger will keep up it's just the way it is. When you ride in a vette that smokes street bikes left and right it opens your eyes to what's possible. At the end of the day here we are all beta testers right now because we are the ones putting the work in to see what works and what doesn't.
Rant over........
Hybridway
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Right! WTF is really going on?
ttystikk
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Sorry dude, I just forgot. Stoner moment...Hortilux has also been messing around with LEDs but have found nothing of substance thus far to have them bring anything to market (yet). I'm not here to argue one light technology vs another. I am simply sharing "my" experience with the things I do and gear I use. It's up to every individual to make up their own mind. My biggest issue on here when I first joined is it's hard to find un biased feedback from people. So that's my goal with my logs. I don't sugar coat things and I show the good and the bad especially when the errors were on me. This is how we learn not by showing only the good in a grow and starting a log half way through flower and saying hey look what I did. The ceramic hps may mean shit to you and that's fine I'm not trying to convince you to get one I am simply speaking of it with others who seem to share the same interest as me. For me it's easy having three 600 watt hortilux ballast here to just swap a bulb and try something new. For whatever reason I have not found the same results as others with a lot of things could be me could be my environment could be a combination of it all. One thing for sure though if I do my organics and use hid lights there is no wondering if the run will turn out ok, if it doesn't it's because I messed up somewhere.
I always appreciate your input man but I honestly don't know why we have to continually rehash what I am doing and why. So let me say it again right now it was an up from cost thing for me. When I have the funds I will be looking to add more of these cobs to my garden I really like them and how they perform. I did not like what the QB's we're doing to my plants especially the SBA which is a strain I am familiar with. Not saying you can't grow buds with them just not the right fit "for me" is all. And there's nothing wrong with that. I am in the process of chopping down a few girls tonight that are not up to par for me, two of them was my fault they dried out too much and got too far gone so I rather take good cuts from the tops and feed the worms in the pots than waste two months hoping for a sub par yield. I thankfully have the ability with my time etc to do things like this so If I don't like something out it goes. Simple as that. Two of my autos finishing up on flower got the chop tonight as well again the fuck up was on me. It is what it is. No sense in flowering out larf and ending up with an ounce off of a plant to throw into the trim pile.
My experience so far shows me led produces smaller buds than hid but more of them. Not better or worse jus different. Being that my background is in growing outdoors with fruits and veggies I know what a healthy outdoor plant looks like and I'm very picky with my garden the more comfortable I become as a grower. Most guys with LEDs and have never grown anything before let alone outside so they have no frame of reference. So to them they're just happy if they make it to harvest. I have higher expectations of myself and my plants. Doesn't make me better than anyone or anything like that just the way that "I am". We are all different and have different circumstances.
This is no different than cars. Yeah I can have a turbo 4 cylinder and save on gas etc etc and make decent power but a small block Chevy produces power for pennies on the dollar and if you add forced induction to one there's no way a damn four banger will keep up it's just the way it is. When you ride in a vette that smokes street bikes left and right it opens your eyes to what's possible. At the end of the day here we are all beta testers right now because we are the ones putting the work in to see what works and what doesn't.
Rant over........
And it's easy to forget because I see your lights every day.
Hybridway
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I'll te you what Evil, if my hps smashes on my cobs then this section will never hear the end of it.Hortilux has also been messing around with LEDs but have found nothing of substance thus far to have them bring anything to market (yet). I'm not here to argue one light technology vs another. I am simply sharing "my" experience with the things I do and gear I use. It's up to every individual to make up their own mind. My biggest issue on here when I first joined is it's hard to find un biased feedback from people. So that's my goal with my logs. I don't sugar coat things and I show the good and the bad especially when the errors were on me. This is how we learn not by showing only the good in a grow and starting a log half way through flower and saying hey look what I did. The ceramic hps may mean shit to you and that's fine I'm not trying to convince you to get one I am simply speaking of it with others who seem to share the same interest as me. For me it's easy having three 600 watt hortilux ballast here to just swap a bulb and try something new. For whatever reason I have not found the same results as others with a lot of things could be me could be my environment could be a combination of it all. One thing for sure though if I do my organics and use hid lights there is no wondering if the run will turn out ok, if it doesn't it's because I messed up somewhere.
I always appreciate your input man but I honestly don't know why we have to continually rehash what I am doing and why. So let me say it again right now it was an up from cost thing for me. When I have the funds I will be looking to add more of these cobs to my garden I really like them and how they perform. I did not like what the QB's we're doing to my plants especially the SBA which is a strain I am familiar with. Not saying you can't grow buds with them just not the right fit "for me" is all. And there's nothing wrong with that. I am in the process of chopping down a few girls tonight that are not up to par for me, two of them was my fault they dried out too much and got too far gone so I rather take good cuts from the tops and feed the worms in the pots than waste two months hoping for a sub par yield. I thankfully have the ability with my time etc to do things like this so If I don't like something out it goes. Simple as that. Two of my autos finishing up on flower got the chop tonight as well again the fuck up was on me. It is what it is. No sense in flowering out larf and ending up with an ounce off of a plant to throw into the trim pile.
My experience so far shows me led produces smaller buds than hid but more of them. Not better or worse jus different. Being that my background is in growing outdoors with fruits and veggies I know what a healthy outdoor plant looks like and I'm very picky with my garden the more comfortable I become as a grower. Most guys with LEDs and have never grown anything before let alone outside so they have no frame of reference. So to them they're just happy if they make it to harvest. I have higher expectations of myself and my plants. Doesn't make me better than anyone or anything like that just the way that "I am". We are all different and have different circumstances.
This is no different than cars. Yeah I can have a turbo 4 cylinder and save on gas etc etc and make decent power but a small block Chevy produces power for pennies on the dollar and if you add forced induction to one there's no way a damn four banger will keep up it's just the way it is. When you ride in a vette that smokes street bikes left and right it opens your eyes to what's possible. At the end of the day here we are all beta testers right now because we are the ones putting the work in to see what works and what doesn't.
Rant over........
Lil buds, extra week of trimming & pounds of popcorn gotta come to an end. I hope it's something I did wrong cuz boy did I promote the shit outta led.
My trail runs went well but even then, I should've known something was up when my hps harvests had single spears bigger then 4 led colas put together & trimming was a blast in comparison. Not to mention all huge pieces of smelly dankness.
I've got allot invested. Hope I'm wrong.
Could be, I made a bunch of changes all at once so it could be a combination of things I messed up. We'll see.....
Evil-Mobo
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I dont want you to take this the wrong way and would not wish a bad grow on anyone but it's good to hear similar findings from someone a lot more experienced than myself and publicly. I have found the same thing and why for the time being the cobs will stay but so will the hids. I need to get dialed in with the organics and the new room and having a real winter etc. If I can get the cobs to work it will be god sent Because I can cut my power use down big time but for now it's back to basics with everything. Even clones I'm going back to trying to root straight into my dirt no aero cloner. Lot of work for me tonight but I will post more pics later.
This tray is under one of the cobs let's see what happens lol
Hybridway
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Maybe you should put a lighter next to them for refferance. Lol!
Some of my strains grew big buds. Don't get me wrong. But other strains that used to grow huge colas now are just not.
Like I said, maybe it's me.
I used to kill it n now I want to kill my plants after 5 wks of flowering.
ttystikk
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Scale = 4" squares on the trellis behind it.
The finished buds were actually smaller, but rock hard, glittering with frost and heavier. I'll take it!
Hybridway
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No one can say you haven't tried almost everything. With that said, you've deff got the right to speak about your experiences.
Maybe a heat pad & misting them a few times a day might help? Never tried that way before.
Mighty good of you to share all your journeys.
OneHitDone
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A lot depends on the space you want to light
Don't act like led's can't cause any interference issues. I had a chinese mono panel that you absolutely could not take photo's under and look at any youtube vid showcasing a Spectrum King Mothers Little Helper.
And the cost argument is dead. Below is 10 year HPS equipment cost. And in 10 years that combo will still be relevant enough to grow dank while whatever cob you have will be laughed off the forum for being an outdated inefficient POS.
Seriously though, show us some people with the exact same led fixtures in use for 3 plus years?
Evil-Mobo
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I don't think the heat pad will be necessary with my temp and humidity here now with the three tents running. I will be misting them though. Of course if I see an issue that needs correcting I will address it but I have found good success with the more vigorous strains doing it this way.
Always an adventure
OneHitDone
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You mean like a Male Satori? lolI don't think the heat pad will be necessary with my temp and humidity here now with the three tents running. I will be misting them though. Of course if I see an issue that needs correcting I will address it but I have found good success with the more vigorous strains doing it this way.
Always an adventure
ttystikk
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You'll notice I didn't rag on him or anyone for running HID. He made some first class COB LED lights and sold them to me so I was honestly surprised. And he told me the same thing a couple months ago and I honestly just spaced it out...A lot depends on the space you want to light
Don't act like led's can't cause any interference issues. I had a chinese mono panel that you absolutely could not take photo's under and look at any youtube vid showcasing a Spectrum King Mothers Little Helper.
And the cost argument is dead. Below is 10 year HPS equipment cost. And in 10 years that combo will still be relevant enough to grow dank while whatever cob you have will be laughed off the forum for being an outdated inefficient POS.
Seriously though, show us some people with the exact same led fixtures in use for 3 plus years?
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I only beat up on the cocky assholes who say LED can't be as good or better.
I've never had any of my LED fixtures cause an interference problem. This might be because I only have Meanwell drivers, but it isn't an issue for me. It definitely was when I ran HID on high frequency digital ballasts. Chinese mono panels are indeed a bit obsolete by now; mine (including the ones Mobo built) won't be anytime soon. I do have a Mars light, but I only haul it out for show n tell and disco night, lol
Finally, I think the cost argument is dead, too- in the opposite direction. Not gonna waste time quibbling here about it.
Bottom line, if people are growing what they love with the equipment they prefer, that's fine with me.
Can we all be friends and chill out now?
Evil-Mobo
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Yup I could stick a cut of that guy in sheet rock and I think it would still root lol
OneHitDone
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Ok ok. when you said you had a strain called "Auto Pounder" were you really referring to that Male Satori Banging all your auto bitches?
MichiganMedGrower
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It's fun listening to you mis direct and back peddle. Most here seem to not like you. I can watch you get beat up on many threads.
And the Phillips are not made anymore but their site said magnetic ballasts only and so do the new GE bulbs.
And they are no where near as good for plant lighting anyway. Or showroom lighting which they were made for. Or they would not have discontinued them for new tech.
And if you read the 315 info you would know how important the new base is.
And why the new bulbs can make use of the new ballasts.
But you only make shit up and back talk. I read far more and retain far deeper than you tty.
It makes you so mad that you are not as smart as you think you are that you threatened to beat me up from behind your computer.
We can see if you are able you know. I am serious that someone messaged me a map to your house.
I know you are just a lonely geek. Even the riddlers I met don't like you.
Evil-Mobo
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Nope the auto pounder was a big let down. Suppose to be the auto version of the 9 lb hammer. Never messing with this again. Most of the beans never popped and the two that did one was a runt and then the other was cut today to feed the worms. People will freak out seeing buds tossed down to get my rols going but whatever it will be good for the pots. One Skywalker got the chop too.Ok ok. when you said you had a strain called "Auto Pounder" were you really referring to that Male Satori Banging all your auto bitches?
OneHitDone
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Everyone have a toke and relax.
There ain't nothing too harsh going on in here and we are all just grow talking
We all have opinions, thoughts, and ideas
There ain't nothing too harsh going on in here and we are all just grow talking
We all have opinions, thoughts, and ideas
completenoobie
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wtf??? did I start this argument?
I thought E-Mobo said there is one single requirement to posting in his thread? That is must not boil down to flaming arguments?
I respect both of you assholes and I am a grade a asshole. I am here to learn, not take sides.
present your evidence and quit with the fucking name calling (said the grade a asshole).
I understood a lot this thread started with and suddenly variables seem to be changing. I am looking for ways to improve my grow.
Does this bickering improve my grow?
If so, can you elaborate and inform me as to how negative interactions produce positive results?
I thought E-Mobo said there is one single requirement to posting in his thread? That is must not boil down to flaming arguments?
I respect both of you assholes and I am a grade a asshole. I am here to learn, not take sides.
present your evidence and quit with the fucking name calling (said the grade a asshole).
I understood a lot this thread started with and suddenly variables seem to be changing. I am looking for ways to improve my grow.
Does this bickering improve my grow?
If so, can you elaborate and inform me as to how negative interactions produce positive results?