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GroErr

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Ya, I'm one week in and I'm already impatient! LOL I'll do two runs this winter, each having some spaces for seeds, some for meds. All the new crosses made won't be tested until next year -- the winter of 2018/2019. In our world of immediate gratification, this is almost unimaginable... even for an old guy like me.

Eventually I hope I can work out a way to (a) grow year round indoors, and (b) have a tent system where I'm popping more seeds periodically (instead of just twice a year), so that I have plants in various stages and I have results rolling in more frequently. I think that would spread the love out more. :) For this first go, I've calculated that I can get the most out of the time period with two bigger waves of plants, and efficiency rules the day.
Yeah I get the instant gratification thing, I'd think you should be over 40+ or it could go badly - lol I've had the odd plant that was a bitch to pollinate, waiting for my bounty at the end and no seeds, that's trying on your patience. But eventually months later I tried leaving it with the pollen overnight and it produced my seeds, just took about 6 months to get back to it - lol
 

GroErr

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Hey GroErr, If you don't mind, what genetics did you start with for your Blue Ripper and Blue Harley?... Not that I have enough grows left in me for a breeding program... Just curious.. Beautiful work you've done!
Hey thanks HydroDan, the Blue Ripper was originally a Blueberry male (stinker and very vigorous) x Jack The Ripper (killer female pheno that I ran for 3+ years). What's come out of that line is a vigorous, very fruity, and fruity with hash/skunky undertones pheno. The one side is all about smell and flavour, nice stone but functional. Then another side which leans more towards the JTR side and includes the Blueberry/fruit terps + lemon from JTR. These are typically the frostiest phenos and when cured smells like fruity lemon hash, these phenos are not for newbies, they wreck you. The seeds that a fairy sent out earlier this year were BX1 crosses of an F2/P5 (this was a Blueberry/flavour leaning pheno with killer terps), back-crossed to the F1/P1 road kill skunk Blue Ripper male. I've seen some grown out and have had some smoke reports that look/sound almost identical to the female. I just flipped 2 that I'm very interested to see how they come out, they were almost identical phenos in veg and have that skunky stem rub, not road kill skunk but close.

The Blue Harley has been interesting. I have that killer F1 Blue Ripper male that smells of road kill skunk in veg. I had a Harlequin female which I ran for a couple of years (CBD line) which had some crazy terps that I described as tropical fruit smoothie. The idea and what turned out in my F1's was a road kill skunk tropical fruit smoothie pheno which I then called Blue Harley (F1/P1). I found that pheno within 12 seeds so it should be out there. Triple bagger pheno that smells like tropical fruit hash. Definitely has some CBD in there, this one I want to work as a couple of CBD phenos, one high CBD and one lower CBD. Funny thing with this cross is I originally wanted it as a CBD line but it's turned out to be the best smelling and tasting strain I have going :)
 

GroErr

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Camshot of the BR's at the back, they're almost there, tightening up which is typical in the last week, hairs have pretty well turned. The P2 pheno on the left I think is one of those that will keep throwing out white hairs on the top of the main forever so I'll have to judge when to pull on overall maturity. End of the week they should be good to go :)

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Also had a close look at the Blue Harley BX1 tester and it's ready, gave it enough water to pull it tomorrow night at Day 49 :)

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

GroErr

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So just as I'm finishing up this round I'm thinking this current setup/environment is worth mentioning as I've had several phenos finish with 7 weeks, that's potentially up to one extra cycle per year if it can be replicated. Negative DIF is also something I think is beneficial if you're looking to bump up production.

Some basic environment info for the last 2 rounds (summer):
  • Temps lights on: 78-82, averaging 80F
  • Temps lights off: 78-82, averaging 80F (heat generated by dehuey maintains temps)
  • (as close as I could get to negative DIF, meaning temps same or higher lights off)
  • RH lights on: 54-58% (controlled by lights and incoming/exhausted air)
  • RH lights off: 54-56% (controlled by dehuey set @55%)
  • Incoming air: 24/7 full blast through summer
  • Exhaust: 24/7 1/3rd on variable controller
  • Main Lights: 11.5/12.5 LED COBs, Cree 3590/80cri and Citi 1212/90cri at 30w/sq/ft
  • Initiators 660nm: 12 minutes (10 min before lights on + 2 min overlap)
  • Initiators 730nm: 12 minutes (2 minute overlap + 10 minutes after lights off)

I'm not questioning negative DIF as beneficial because I've run it two summers now. Last summer I was running 12.5/11.5, this summer 11.5/12.5. Both times I noticed a good bump in production, massive donkey dicks on some of the more vigorous strains/phenos. I think one of the most if not the most important effect here is that with those temps (24/7) and maintaining RH in the mid-50 range, the plants are transpiring and drinking heavily throughout the whole round. A week into flowering and right to the end, they're probably drinking/using as much as 50% more water. Some evaporation of course would account for that but the roots are getting saturated every other day regardless of container size and bone dry within 48 hours or less. That's building great root balls and in turn bumping yields. I don't think it has a significant effect on finish times, will see coming up as I won't be able to maintain those lights-off temps through the fall/winter.

I believe the biggest factor affecting finish times has been the 11.5/12.5 reduced lights on times, along with the initiators (the combo). I've been running the initiators at 12.5/11.5, 12/12, and 11.5/12.5. They didn't seem to do much if anything at 12.5/11.5, had some effect at 12/12, but at 11.5/12.5 they seem to have reduced finish times for everything I ran in there. The only thing I have to validate is how much the initiators had to do with it, vs. the reduced cycle for the main lights. I'll do that a couple of rounds out by turning off the initiators and leaving the main lights at 11.5/12.5, with a known clone of course for control. I expect it will have an effect by a few days, nothing extreme but some effect. But the combo seems to be a winner.

Thoughts, comments, findings, questions, constructive criticism (not trolls) are all welcome. Reducing your finish times by 6-10 days per round could bring in up to an extra crop per year!
 
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ttystikk

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Brilliant info!

I wonder whether it is possible to reduce the light cycle to something like 8/5 with initiators? 13 hour days with CO2?

Just think how much more you could produce in less time.

I can't wait to have a real grow lab like you!

Got the Rebel :bigjoint:
Can't forget that the plant needs at least 11 hours of darkness in order to flower.

I'm impressed with @torontoke's consistent results with 8 on and 16 off.
 

GroErr

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Brilliant info!

I wonder whether it is possible to reduce the light cycle to something like 8/5 with initiators? 13 hour days with CO2?

Just think how much more you could produce in less time.

I can't wait to have a real grow lab like you!

Got the Rebel :bigjoint:
Yeah not sure that would work for flowering but as @ttystikk mentioned there are folks running lower light cycles like 8/16 and getting good yields. Not crazy on the CO2 thing as it's not exactly stealth and I don't want neighbours nosing around. My room averages 500-600ppm as-is with the constant airflow. The run I just put in there + another 4-6 plants flipping in 2-3 weeks will be my last run until February. After that I may try going down further like 10/14. These last couple of reductions were done 1/2 an hour at a time to establish a baseline where I can get back to, it's a nice blend of yield and finish times for me.

The Rebel T6i? Nice!
 

GroErr

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I still need to save for a decent camera myself lol........overwhelmed by options and advice lol..........
if it's just mainly for the garden, the Canon T5i or T6i with the IS lens package (18-55mm) are more than you'd need, decent cameras at somewhat reasonable pricing for the features. I had the T2i which is a much older model until about a year ago when I upgraded to the T6i. Even the T2i was more than fine for garden pics. I stuck with Canon as I now have some spare lenses.
 

GroErr

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We have a pill that allows humans to go without sleep.

I thought with initiators you could reduce the dark time significantly. This is the theory I would love to test. How far can we shorten each cycle?

Think about how it would change the food industry.
Yeah, perhaps down the road, would be interesting to know the limits or if they can be manipulated using artificial light/triggers. Besides my tests on specific practical items, and breeding stuff, both take a chunk of my limited free time. And once in a while I have to pull some weight out of there to support the other activities! lol
 

ttystikk

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We have a pill that allows humans to go without sleep.

I thought with initiators you could reduce the dark time significantly. This is the theory I would love to test. How far can we shorten each cycle?

Think about how it would change the food industry.
Yes, the military uses them to keep troops at an operational tempo for days and even weeks.

They're called methamphetamines and soldiers often muster out with a raging addiction.

Imagine them in combat after 4 days without sleep... War crimes, anyone?
 

Rusher

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So just as I'm finishing up this round I'm thinking this current setup/environment is worth mentioning as I've had several phenos finish with 7 weeks, that's potentially up to one extra cycle per year if it can be replicated. Negative DIF is also something I think is beneficial if you're looking to bump up production.

Some basic environment info for the last 2 rounds (summer):
  • Temps lights on: 78-82, averaging 80F
  • Temps lights off: 78-82, averaging 80F (heat generated by dehuey maintains temps)
  • (as close as I could get to negative DIF, meaning temps same or higher lights off)
  • RH lights on: 54-58% (controlled by lights and incoming/exhausted air)
  • RH lights off: 54-56% (controlled by dehuey set @55%)
  • Incoming air: 24/7 full blast through summer
  • Exhaust: 24/7 1/3rd on variable controller
  • Main Lights: 11.5/12.5 LED COBs, Cree 3590/80cri and Citi 1212/90cri at 30w/sq/ft
  • Initiators 660nm: 12 minutes (10 min before lights on + 2 min overlap)
  • Initiators 730nm: 12 minutes (2 minute overlap + 10 minutes after lights off)

I'm not questioning negative DIF as beneficial because I've run it two summers now. Last summer I was running 12.5/11.5, this summer 11.5/12.5. Both times I noticed a good bump in production, massive donkey dicks on some of the more vigorous strains/phenos. I think one of the most if not the most important effect here is that with those temps (24/7) and maintaining RH in the mid-50 range, the plants are transpiring and drinking heavily throughout the whole round. A week into flowering and right to the end, they're probably drinking/using as much as 50% more water. Some evaporation of course would account for that but the roots are getting saturated every other day regardless of container size and bone dry within 48 hours or less. That's building great root balls and in turn bumping yields. I don't think it has a significant effect on finish times, will see coming up as I won't be able to maintain those lights-off temps through the fall/winter.

I believe the biggest factor affecting finish times has been the 11.5/12.5 reduced lights on times, along with the initiators (the combo). I've been running the initiators at 12.5/11.5, 12/12, and 11.5/12.5. They didn't seem to do much if anything at 12.5/11.5, had some effect at 12/12, but at 11.5/12.5 they seem to have reduced finish times for everything I ran in there. The only thing I have to validate is how much the initiators had to do with it, vs. the reduced cycle for the main lights. I'll do that a couple of rounds out by turning off the initiators and leaving the main lights at 11.5/12.5, with a known clone of course for control. I expect it will have an effect by a few days, nothing extreme but some effect. But the combo seems to be a winner.

Thoughts, comments, findings, questions, constructive criticism (not trolls) are all welcome. Reducing your finish times by 6-10 days per round could bring in up to an extra crop per year!
I'm on board with the far red initiators. Running 8 730nm buttons at 5 minutes before lights out, and 10 minutes after, and I just chopped a MFG recommended 7-8 week strain in 46 days. Given it could have been the strain or something different in my environment this cycle (unlikely, but maybe) I have to say it's the initiators. Running Ayahuasca Purple in veg right now, along side Plemon, Sour Cherry and Fireballs, so if it happens again, I will have more than anecdotal evidence.

Oh, and your grow is fkn peerless, as always.

Cheers
 

GroErr

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I'm on board with the far red initiators. Running 8 730nm buttons at 5 minutes before lights out, and 10 minutes after, and I just chopped a MFG recommended 7-8 week strain in 46 days. Given it could have been the strain or something different in my environment this cycle (unlikely, but maybe) I have to say it's the initiators. Running Ayahuasca Purple in veg right now, along side Plemon, Sour Cherry and Fireballs, so if it happens again, I will have more than anecdotal evidence.

Oh, and your grow is fkn peerless, as always.

Cheers
Hey Cheers Rusher, thanks. They do seem to do the job. I found a slightly quicker difference when I dropped it down to 11.5/12.5, I've pulled 3 strains now at 49 days this round alone. The Blue Rippers are done at 56 days from seed which is good for the phenotype I pulled. May give them a couple of more days but they could be pulled now. Just pulled the Blue Harley BX1 at day 49. No complaints over here, early and decent production :D
 

GroErr

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Here's that Blue Harley BX1, pulled at day 49. Wasn't even going to flower it out and although this one wasn't a big producer, it looks and smells almost identical to the mother F1/P1 keeper. Small but turned out alright, green and healthy right to the end :)

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 
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