Mikedixon22
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5-6 per plant? Damn how big do they get if you start flowering at the same height as mine? That's crazy!
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Kerovan
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between 36-48 inches and really bushy.
Mikedixon22
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Hey guys what would be causing this yellow spotting on the leaves. Do I need to flush my plants again or do they need a feeding? Also they're still droopy with some tip curl. They're better than what they were but I want them to be back up to a 100% sorry for the hps light, I can take better pics if needed.
Mikedixon22
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Flushing helped my plants tremendously last time, and no its on most the leaves except for the newer growth. I'm thinking micronutrient deficiency. I want to give them some bloom nutes but hold off on any more nitrogen due to the dark curled leaves. What you think?
Michael Huntherz
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Looks a little like overwatering and possible root problems to me. My guess is those pots don't have enough drainage and so the roots are not getting enough oxygen, and too much water. Sorry to be a downer, but all your pics look like imminent root trouble to me. 
I bought some of that Kellogg soil last year, it was terrible, frankly. Very woody, not enough compost, I ended up amending the shit out of it and cooking it for 6 months before finally mixing it with some other soil to make it usable.
I really enjoyed growing in Royal Gold's Tupur coco, and I heard their King's Mix is even better. If you decide to rock coco I would recommend those products over all the other coco mixes on the market. I decided to run Roots Organics 707 this time, I like variety.
I bought some of that Kellogg soil last year, it was terrible, frankly. Very woody, not enough compost, I ended up amending the shit out of it and cooking it for 6 months before finally mixing it with some other soil to make it usable.
I really enjoyed growing in Royal Gold's Tupur coco, and I heard their King's Mix is even better. If you decide to rock coco I would recommend those products over all the other coco mixes on the market. I decided to run Roots Organics 707 this time, I like variety.
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Kerovan
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It's hard to tell with the yellow light, but it could be a nitrogen deficiency also. The leaves look like they are curling down which can mean too much water. If it was too much nitrogen they would be very dark green. They don't look that dark in those pics, but it could be the lighting that is throwing me off. Lack of nitrogen can cause yellow spots to appear also, but the fungal infection seems more likely. It thrives when there is too much moisture also.
Mikedixon22
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They were overwatered and ph locked. Or just ph locked. But i let them dry for a week and flushed them and it helped a lot. I want to do it again but give them a little nutrients this time. These problems aren't from overwatering now.Looks a little like overwatering and possible root problems to me. My guess is those pots don't have enough drainage and so the roots are not getting enough oxygen, and too much water. Sorry to be a downer, but all your pics look like imminent root trouble to me.
I bought some of that Kellogg soil last year, it was terrible, frankly. Very woody, not enough compost, I ended up amending the shit out of it and cooking it for 6 months before finally mixing it with some other soil to make it usable.
I really enjoyed growing in Royal Gold's Tupur coco, and I heard their King's Mix is even better. If you decide to rock coco I would recommend those products over all the other coco mixes on the market. I decided to run Roots Organics 707 this time, I like variety.
Michael Huntherz
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Ahh, okay. I think you are likely to have some root problem of some kind nonetheless. I hope they turn around, wish I had some useful advice for you.
I wouldn't flush, I also don't think it's a micronutrient issue. Are the stems purple?
Also sometimes spots happen from splash and foliar sprays.
Could also be remnants of the old stress which as a few posts ago someone pointed out could be leftover from old root damage from overwatering. After it dries and gets hungry if it were me I would probably give it a kelp tea with a few other bennies mixed in and probably a enzyme to break down roots. I've been much more mindful of my microbes lately and it's solved some problems bit creates some new challenges as well. If microbes aren't a worry for you a peroxide flush might also work. Flush again a little while after with water as to not fry your plant accidentally though. Old dead roots can cause issues for your plant as it grows, they attract pests and give an opportunity for pathogens to get into your plant.
Windburn can also cause similar spots.
Regardless if you have anything with kelp meal or seaweed extract I would supplement my next feeding with that. If you're comfortable ordering off of Amazon or something maxicrop has a pretty good kelp meal/extract and a bottle of hygrozyme shouldn't run you too much. Kelp is always good to have around, almost every grower will agree. Enzymes are a personal preference, some people will argue plants make their own etc, however in situations like this I feel like a little helping hand probably won't hurt the situation. I generally give my plants an enzyme treatment 2 or 3 times before harvest, usually mid veg, right after bloom and around week 4 or 5 to clear up what's there after roots basically stop growing.
Mikedixon22
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Everyone keeps pointing to overwatering and root problems, but when I thought I overwatered I transplanted them in these pots and the roots looked really healthy. The only real watering I did since the transplant is when I flushed and it helped a lot. The soil I have is crap and I wish I knew what I do now, I wouldn't have used this. But this soil has a lot of nitrogen in it. That's why I think my plants have to much. They have the dark drooping leaves with tip curl. I fixed the ph last flush and they still look like there not getting nutrients. I only have fox farms nutes so should I just do 1/3-1/2 dose with less nitrogen?
If you can dig around and try to get out any wood chips bigger than say a dime or so that will help get some nitrogen out. Don't go ripping into your roots though. I wouldn't feed them more than probably 1/3 strength for now, I generally only feed at like 50% max. Maybe one or two weeks around 4 and 5 in bloom I give them a full dose
Also I might think about some combo of big bloom, kangaroots, microbe brew, kelp me kelp you, and some molasses when theyre ready and then see what happens afterwards. I grew with fox farm for a long time. Lay off the powdered nutes until the plants perk up too, they're really strong and can give them a pretty nasty shock sometimes. But id use them regardless starting week 3 or so, they really do give a good boost but have a tendency to build up in your soil and cause lockouts pretty quick. With all the N in your soil you could probably cut grow big out but you'll need to make up some calcium and trace minerals elsewhere which is hard to do, plus dropping a base is usually not a good idea. If you use wholly mackerel I would consider stopping that if the toxicity look never goes away.
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Mikedixon22
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Ya I just can't dig into the soil cuz these plants have a strong root system so the roots are close to top soil. Maybe i should just do a light feeding tomorrow and see what happens. I just know they're lacking something, I can see it in them. They're crying for something, just need to figure it out.
Michael Huntherz
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You could Probably pull out the whole rootball, a little bit, with the soil and all, and look at it. You could also try top-dressing a mycorhizae product like OregonismXL, which I think might help a lot with that crap soil.
Jimmy the vest uk
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What strain 5 to 6 a plant I thought I was the man before I read this I'm only half a man with them numbers?????????
Jimmy the vest uk
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I'm an organic man tho????
I meaning depends on your veg time light wattage and training, I'm only running 3 plants right now (random bagseed I suspect some sort of kush strain on two and ones definitely a purple haze from my friends harvest a year or so back). I'm expecting around 8 a plant. I'm also running a 1000w and ~400 watt led equivalence. If in was expecting the "typical" 1g/w that would actually equate to roughly a pound a plant.
Jimmy the vest uk
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i fuc#ing love this forum you da man, I just exceeded expectations from any info I can find on the net about exodus kush, I understand what you mean veg time yeah I took too long grew some monsters touching ceiling 9ft fully budded up with long spindly legs after stretch. Bro what led you using I'm looking to invest but can't find any better reviews than black dog are you saying your hitting equal yields to hps?
I bought a cheap cob led panel with decent drivers on Amazon and put better cobs in it, got the idea from a guy on here. It pulls ~350 true watts and I'm running it in the same tent as a 1000w hps over a plant that wasn't getting enough light. I figure it's probably the equivalent of around 1400 or 1500w of hps lighting all together.
I've never personally had great luck with kush strains but I've also learned a lot since I've grown them. Most everything is going to just come from personal experience and a few long nights of reading and tearing your hair out to figure out what to do. You have to experience it to really know what needs to be done usually, I'd helped so many friends deal with powdery mildew before I started growing and I had to eagle 20 my basement after my second harvest. Not a fun experience.
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Kerovan
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The last couple I did were Nirvana's Northern Lights and Barneys Farm Morning Glory. Both of them averaged a little over 5 oz's per plant at about an average of around 36 inches tall. They ranged from about 30" up to probably around 40" give or take a few inches. I didn't measure them. But I had them in a tent that was 80" with a 400W hps with 2 90W ufo led's. They were in 5 gallon buckets. So the base of the plants was around 13 inches off the floor and the bottom of the hid hood was around 15-20" from the top. That leaves 47-53 inches growth space. The hps glass lens was about 4-5 inches from the tops of the tallest plants. All of the measurements are approximations since I didn't measure the plants, but the cured bud was weighed with a very nice Mettler digital lab scale.