Government claims it owns children, threatens 2nd mom with jail

[Rob Roy]

Well, I did hold one thing back.....anyone subverting the system gets executed; enforced honesty as it were

Sounds great Saddam, err Singlemalt.

 

[Singlemalt]

Sounds great Saddam, err Singlemalt.

So, you are in favor of an elite political class? with all the influence, power, wealth and corruption to make laws that enrich themselves at the peoples' expense?

 

[Rob Roy]

Anti-vaxxers are a direct threat to other people and are directly and demonstrably responsible for the reemergence of previously almost extinct diseases like TB and measles.

I think my right (more accurately immunodeficient people's right) not to be exposed to disease carriers (directly threatened) takes precedence over some retard's anti-science "feels".

For the same logical reason you cant drive drunk or carry a weapon when you're in the bar drinking.

You do have a right not to be threatened by others, because you own your body.

Your example of being armed in a bar. You're against self defense or are you for the property right of the bar owner to determine if people can bring guns into the bar?

 

[Rob Roy]

So, you are in favor of an elite political class? with all the influence, power, wealth and corruption to make laws that enrich themselves at the peoples' expense?

I'm for equal rights and think every person should be an Emperor over themselves.

 

[SneekyNinja]

You do have a right not to be threatened by others, because you own your body.

Your example of being armed in a bar. You're against self defense or are you for the property right of the bar owner to determine if people can bring guns into the bar?

Why do you have to go all retarded? Im just generally against drunk people in an enclosed space with firearms, period.

I have the right not to be shot trying to enjoy a glass of Scotch in a bar just because some idiot couldnt handle his 3 Bud Light.

 

[Rob Roy]

Why do you have to go all retarded? Im just generally against drunk people in an enclosed space with firearms, period.

The point wasn't to "go all retarded" it was to help me understand who you think should be able to determine if patrons will or will not be armed in a bar, which might be pertinent to the topic of the thread. Wasn't trying to be Sneeky, Ninja.

 

[Singlemalt]

I'm for equal rights and think every person should be an Emperor over themselves.

Close, until their sovereignty negatively impacts on others. For me it's a simple choice: If one wishes the benefits of living in a society, then one must follow some rules. If you can't accept that then remove yourself from the societal environs/territory and be one's own solo Emperor

 

[SneekyNinja]

The point wasn't to "go all retarded" it was to help me understand who you think should be able to determine if patrons will or will not be armed in a bar, which might be pertinent to the topic of the thread. Wasn't trying to be Sneeky, Ninja.

I'm pretty sure the law in most States determines it.

 

[Jimdamick]

All three, and JFK /Johnson(Vietnam)

Note I said should be held responsible; that is one of many problems in our society

Granted that JFK was the 1st to put troops on the ground in Vietnam, and then Johnson continued to do the same. Nixon was primarily elected on his oath to withdraw in 1970, but expanded the war into Cambodia and Laos, and only when he was up for re-election was the Paris peace accord finalized, amazingly 1 fucking month before the election.
Fuck Nixon and fuck Kissinger, I'll meet them in hell, and hopefully make it worse for those motherfuckers

 

[Rob Roy]

Close, until their sovereignty negatively impacts on others. For me it's a simple choice: If one wishes the benefits of living in a society, then one must follow some rules. If you can't accept that then remove yourself from the societal environs/territory and be one's own solo Emperor

Are you saying that a centralized authority like your proposed system would be, would be infallible and that ALL of the executions would be for a good reason ?

In other words what the rule really is, is far less important than blind and strict obedience to the rule?

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm pretty sure the law in most States determines it.

So if the law in one state says it's up to the owner and the law in another state says it isn't, which law is wrong ?

 

[Jimdamick]

So if the law in one state says it's up to the owner and the law in another state says it isn't, which law is wrong ?

You tell me.
What's you opinion?

 

[Singlemalt]

Are you saying that a centralized authority like your proposed system would be, would be infallible and that ALL of the executions would be for a good reason ?

In other words what the rule really is, is far less important than blind and strict obedience to the rule?

Look, this is obviously a superficial convo/dialog. My desire is to completely eliminate corruption, perversion of gov't for personal(or party)gains and to simply exist to allow it's citizenry to flourish. Unlike the vast majority of gov'ts currently existing. Consequences must be severe to help prevent corruption. It's not controlling one's thoughts. Say whatever you want: the jackboots won't be coming, your job is safe, your money secure. It's ultimately: merely enforced honesty

 

[Rob Roy]

You tell me.
What's you opinion?

I think the owner of a property should make the rules. For instance if I visited you and you asked me to remove my shoes before stepping into your house, I would honor your request or not enter your house.

 

[Rob Roy]

Look, this is obviously a superficial convo/dialog. My desire is to completely eliminate corruption, perversion of gov't for personal(or party)gains and to simply exist to allow it's citizenry to flourish. Unlike the vast majority of gov'ts currently existing. Consequences must be severe to help prevent corruption. It's not controlling one's thoughts. Say whatever you want: the jackboots won't be coming, your job is safe, your money secure. It's ultimately: merely enforced honesty

No jackboots? Well what would you do to the person who politely refused to be part of your system but was perfectly willing to leave you alone? You had mentioned executing them. You don't really advocate that do you ?

 

[UncleBuck]

you grow weed you fucking criminal

you visit child pornography websites.

 

[Singlemalt]

No jackboots? Well what would you do to the person who politely refused to be part of your system but was perfectly willing to leave you alone? You had mentioned executing them. You don't really advocate that do you ?

I said consequences. This started as a discussion of mandatory vaccination. You don't wish to be vac'ed you or your kid; get the fuck out, you don't get to have the benefits of the society. You are a politician using your office for personal or party gain, yep you get the chair. You are DUI; at least a year in jail. You injure someone while DUI, many years in jail and you pay restitution. You kill someone DUI, you die. Honesty and resposibility

 

[Chezus]

Where does it say "Government claims it owns children"? If the gov't has not asserted an ownership claim, you are being disingenuous. Child endangerment, protection of public health, etc are all in legitimate gov't purview. Indeed, gov't oversteps it's bounds at times but not in this case. I was born in 1950 and grew up seeing kids fucked up from polio and other diseases. Oddly, the only polio victims I've seen in 50 yrs have been roughly my age.

Polio is a progressive disease.

 

[Rob Roy]

Polio is a progressive disease.

That's like a super subtle FDR joke isn't it ?

 

[Rob Roy]

I said consequences. This started as a discussion of mandatory vaccination. You don't wish to be vac'ed you or your kid; get the fuck out, you don't get to have the benefits of the society. You are a politician using your office for personal or party gain, yep you get the chair. You are DUI; at least a year in jail. You injure someone while DUI, many years in jail and you pay restitution. You kill someone DUI, you die. Honesty and resposibility

So if people who gave vaccines followed your system's wishes, but ended up harming somebody because the vaccine itself was found later to cause harm, you would indemnify them as individuals and then execute your system ? Who would you hold accountable ?

Honesty and responsibility. Ahem.