Democratic Senator, Dick Durban: 'We Should Appeal To The Center'

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
LOL

Your aren't a leftist. What do you think, @abandonconflict , is ttystick a leftist?
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He is mostly a centrist. He is to the left of most of the country on all issues and slightly left of center on many issues. He seems to be willing to entertain social inequality issues, which he does understand, but only if he senses his political peers are also willing. He's not a bigot and bigotry precludes being a leftist.

He's a left leaning liberal. What MLK Jr called a white moderate. If he wanted to, he could push the other bernard cultists to the left.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
You must learn slowly, based on your behavior.
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Say something of substance if you must show up in my alerts please.

I was a founding member of one of the biggest veterans antiwar groups in the United States. I helped organize OWS for a major city. I helped establish a homeless shelter for deported veterans in Tijuana. I designed an artificial reef structure over a kilometer long to connect to 12 kilometers of other such structures in the Dominican Republic. I then took volunteers and recycled metals and other cheap materials to build it. I set up networks for antifascists all over the country to protect protesters in 2016.

You will never come close to matching my social contributions, gringo.
 
Huckster79

Huckster79

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Now i consider myself a liberals liberal and very progressive. I had this thought the other day, and not sure i can say i buy into this thought but it has caused some personal pondering...

Would we be better off to not try going ultra left to setyle the pendulum swing. Now id love to shove single payer and every other liberal dream down the rights throat when we can... but would we serve the county long term better by not going right, as i agree the center is rightish now... but after 4 years of trump insanity we may need some time of reassembly before enacting a big liberal agenda and a moment to settle the pendulum so we dont create a situation where pendulum swings wider every few years with growing intensity??

Idk i could argue this or i cud argue solve our problems correctly finally and go hard left...
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Huckster79 said:
Now i consider myself a liberals liberal and very progressive. I had this thought the other day, and not sure i can say i buy into this thought but it has caused some personal pondering...

Would we be better off to not try going ultra left to setyle the pendulum swing. Now id love to shove single payer and every other liberal dream down the rights throat when we can... but would we serve the county long term better by not going right, as i agree the center is rightish now... but after 4 years of trump insanity we may need some time of reassembly before enacting a big liberal agenda and a moment to settle the pendulum so we dont create a situation where pendulum swings wider every few years with growing intensity??

Idk i could argue this or i cud argue solve our problems correctly finally and go hard left...
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I suggest we go hard left. Compromising with nationalist authoritarians who want to put all the power of the government in the hands of the ultra rich isn't working out very well.
 
Huckster79

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ttystikk said:
I suggest we go hard left. Compromising with nationalist authoritarians who want to put all the power of the government in the hands of the ultra rich isn't working out very well.
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Oh i agree with not compromising with the nut jobs but do we make some room for some moderates who are not okay with this crazy nationalist shit? i guess is what i mean.

I think gop could split, we could get some real stuff done if center on left doesnt follow suit...that would give a 25-25-50 ratio (yes i get thats way oversimplified)
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Huckster79 said:
Oh i agree with not compromising with the nut jobs but do we make some room for some moderates who are not okay with this crazy nationalist shit? i guess is what i mean.

I think gop could split, we could get some real stuff done if center on left doesnt follow suit...that would give a 25-25-50 ratio (yes i get thats way oversimplified)
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The only way any of this is realistically happening is after another Great Crash, a Depression and the likes of Jamie Dimon in prison.
 
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KillerIndica

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ttystikk said:
I suggest we go hard left. Compromising with nationalist authoritarians who want to put all the power of the government in the hands of the ultra rich isn't working out very well.
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I certainly agree with this psot... (bonus points if you know the origins of psot...)
 
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KillerIndica

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ttystikk said:
The only way any of this is realistically happening is after another Great Crash, a Depression and the likes of Jamie Dimon in prison.
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I'd like five minutes alone with Jamie Dimon. Yes, you'd need a body bag at the end. Or a guillotine. I'd pay to watch Dimon's head roll into a storm drain.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
How come they only quote others. Bernie isn't reaching out directly. Who has he met with? Where is he speaking and what has he said.

Also, three mayors? Maybe a govemor? That's it? No policy discussions, nothing from his position as Senator?

This hardly deserves all-caps text.

I've noticed a lot of dark faces on the "Our Revolution" reform effort's web page. So I am aware that his reform effort is diverse. But Bernie isn't reaching out directly.

The funniest quote that describes my perplexed attitude toward Bernies silence on the matter is this, from your link:

“I don’t know what the specific strategy is, but if it was a strategy it’d be a very smart strategy,” Fort told International Business Times.

I think you are just passing gas here, pad.
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they've been there all along; you refuse to see..
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
You tell me.

He hardly showed up in the South where his campaign was beaten so badly that he never had a chance afterward. He did show in Flint Michigan where he stepped all over his credibility as somebody who understood racial justice issues. As a Bernie voter that primary, I found his statements embarrassing.

As far as the young black vote, I think we read the same article that made him out to do well with them. But I looked at the numbers they posted and thought "not". In that article, they played up the fact that Bernie polled about 25% of the overall black vote compared to 35% of the young black vote as something of a win for Bernie. Dude, 35% of any group is not something to brag about unless you are looking for something, anything good to say no matter how bad it is. He did miserably with the black vote regardless of age.
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why do you hate bernie sanders?
 
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