Democratic Senator, Dick Durban: 'We Should Appeal To The Center'

[abandonconflict]

I'm disappointed in you.

I didn't misrepresent shit. You said it, I just quoted you. It isn't anything like the way you and the rest of the local racist Bernouts try to make me out to be a Paulbot despite that I was the one shitting on the Paulbots the hardest. Why do you like so many bigoted remarks? Why do I almost always see "Ttystikk likes this" on posts about holocaust denial, blaming black voters, claiming black people don't know what is in their best interests, claiming black people have a herd like mentality, rejoicing for Trump's election, etc...

 

[ttystikk]

I didn't misrepresent shit. You said it, I just quoted you. It isn't anything like the way you and the rest of the local racist Bernouts try to make me out to be a Paulbot despite that I was the one shitting on the Paulbots the hardest. Why do you like so many bigoted remarks? Why do I almost always see "Ttystikk likes this" on posts about holocaust denial, blaming black voters, claiming black people don't know what is in their best interests, claiming black people have a herd like mentality, rejoicing for Trump's election, etc...

You pulled it out of context.

That's misrepresentation.

And now you're lying about it.

Disappointing.

 

[abandonconflict]

It was the opening statement of a post about how to deal with racism. Furthermore, it is what you do. You never call out racists, you have made yourself the enemy of this forum's biggest opponents of racism. Quoting you verbatim is not taking you out of context.

 

[Fogdog]

I voted for Mrs Clinton in the general, just like Sanders asked us to.

Why she lost anyway is a question you'll have to look elsewhere to find answers for. The fact that you're stuck on this silly ass notion that Sanders backers are too blame- in spite of all the evidence to the contrary- tells me and everyone else following along that you're not interested in facts as much as you just wanna find someone to blame.

That's childish logic, at best. Grow up and open your eyes. Against a monster like the Chump, it should not have even been close. It should have been a straight up landslide. Yet it wasn't. Why?

Where's your answer to THAT?!

You are saying that after what we feared about Trump has been realized with interest, you'd stay home. You are a white man who is not facing the rise of the alt right and what it represents to black, brown or Jewish people's rights. You don't face deportation or fear ICE. You don't even want us to talk about issues of race.

What's my answer to THAT? I say that Clinton beat Sanders yet the EC gave Trump the election. Also that we have to live with it until the next election, when I damn well will vote for a Democrat because whomever they are, they aren't Trump and his people. I'm not staying home in useless rage against the will of the majority.

 

[Fogdog]

Don't project.

I want free and fair elections. Until Citizens United is repealed- arguably among lots of other laws that permit everything from voter suppression to gerrymandering- we won't have them.

What you are demanding is that Sanders should have run against Trump against the will of the people of the Democratic Party.

 

[Fogdog]

You pulled it out of context.

That's misrepresentation.

And now you're lying about it.

Disappointing.

It was the opening statement of a post about how to deal with racism. Furthermore, it is what you do. You never call out racists, you have made yourself the enemy of this forum's biggest opponents of racism. Quoting you verbatim is not taking you out of context.

Here is the quote in it's entirety.

I think that if everyone quit talking about race, part of the problem would be solved.

Another part would be solved if we truly treated each other as equals.

The final part would be solved if we came to terms with the history of racism and took steps not only to prevent it from ever happening again, but also to ensure both that those who are disadvantaged are made whole and everyone gets a fair shot moving forward.

These points may sound simple, but each masks a great deal of complexity and divisiveness.

You also explained in an another post that the first condition relies on the latter two being realized. Yet they can't be realized if we are constrained to avoid discussing race. By not discussing race, you endorse the status quo of racial politics.

 

[Fogdog]

i want primaries open to any registered dem. no caucuses. caucuses are undemocratic.

To that I would add, I want primaries closed to anybody who isn't a registered Democrat according to the rules set by the Democratic Party in each state.

 

[ttystikk]

It was the opening statement of a post about how to deal with racism. Furthermore, it is what you do. You never call out racists, you have made yourself the enemy of this forum's biggest opponents of racism. Quoting you verbatim is not taking you out of context.

I have and continue to call out racists. I've made no secret of my position as being anti racist.

Failure to write the whole post is taking my words out of context, by definition.

I'm disappointed in you.

 

[ttystikk]

To that I would add, I want primaries closed to anybody who isn't a registered Democrat according to the rules set by the Democratic Party in each state.

This, along with forcing people to declare their party affiliation as much as 6 months in advance is yet another form of voter suppression.

It also works against candidates with less name recognition.

But you already know all this, so the only conclusion I can reasonably draw is that you support voter suppression efforts.

 

[abandonconflict]

Failure to write the whole post is taking my words out of context, by definition.

Not it isn't. It was the opening statement, separated from the rest of the post by blank lines. Why do you think that not talking about racism will solve the problem of racism, while you also spend so much time clicking 'like' on so many bigoted remarks?

 

[ttystikk]

Not it isn't. It was the opening statement, separated from the rest of the post by blank lines. Why do you think that not talking about racism will solve the problem of racism, while you also spend so much time clicking 'like' on so many bigoted remarks?

Nice try. The remarks I like aren't bigoted, even if the same poster says something bigoted elsewhere.

But you don't want to pursue any positive line of discussion, you're just here to tear others down.

Why aren't you a Trump supporter? Your behavior and attitude would fit right in with them.

 

[abandonconflict]

Nice try. The remarks I like aren't bigoted...

So many of them are and not just from Bernie supporters but just yesterday you liked about half a dozen holocaust denial remarks by a snitch just to get under @UncleBuck 's skin.

 

[Fogdog]

This, along with forcing people to declare their party affiliation as much as 6 months in advance is yet another form of voter suppression.

It also works against candidates with less name recognition.

But you already know all this, so the only conclusion I can reasonably draw is that you support voter suppression efforts.

The rules of each primary are set by each state's chapter of the Democratic party. In my state, the registration period is two weeks ahead of the primary. If you don't like the rules in your state then get them changed. Unlike you, I'm not going to mandate to other states what to do. I happen to like my state's rule. Fuck you if you want to change my state's rule.

 

[ttystikk]

The rules of each primary are set by each state's chapter of the Democratic party. In my state, the registration period is two weeks ahead of the primary. If you don't like the rules in your state then get them changed. Unlike you, I'm not going to mandate to other states what to do. I happen to like my state's rule. Fuck you if you want to change my state's rule.

Thank your lucky stars you live in such a liberal state.

But as a defense, your comments are pretty sad.

 

[Fogdog]

You pulled it out of context.

That's misrepresentation.

And now you're lying about it.

Disappointing.

LOL. A continuing story where you run away from what you say. You have been asked repeatedly to explain why that statement requires the other two points in your post for the purposes of clarity. In reality, your post is completely fucked up and I've given you plenty of requests to clarify. That first line reads:

I think that if everyone quit talking about race, part of the problem would be solved.

The statement stands on its own. Restate it if you like. I'm listening.

 

[ttystikk]

LOL. A continuing story where you run away from what you say. You have been asked repeatedly to explain why that statement requires the other two points in your post for the purposes of clarity. In reality, your post is completely fucked up and I've given you plenty of requests to clarify. That first line reads:

I think that if everyone quit talking about race, part of the problem would be solved.

The statement stands on its own. Restate it if you like. I'm listening.

I already did, in the thread where I said it.

Pro Tip; if you have to lie, cheat and misrepresent others to make your points, maybe you're on the wrong side of the argument.

 

[abandonconflict]

LOL. A continuing story where you run away from what you say. You have been asked repeatedly to explain why that statement requires the other two points in your post for the purposes of clarity. In reality, your post is completely fucked up and I've given you plenty of requests to clarify. That first line reads:

I think that if everyone quit talking about race, part of the problem would be solved.

The statement stands on its own. Restate it if you like. I'm listening.

Context for the statement:

"you deserve 4 more years of the Chump."

 

[deno]

Holy makeral guys, the election is over. HRC was a horrible choice, probably the only person who could have lost against Trump. You don't put someone up there who's negatives are so high. She also doesn't have charisma - completely a non-leader type. I know at least one life long liberal who couldn't bring herself to vote for her. She fell for the right wing propaganda - voted for Stein instead. Sander's isn't much better. If you want to win, you need to put a leader up there. A natural born leader. It's not rocket science. I called it a year before the elections, asking why we were coronating HRC. I was basically crucified for even questioning. Now look what we've got to deal with.

 

[Fogdog]

Context for the statement:

"you deserve 4 more years of the Chump."

Yeah that's totally fucked up. I even voted for Sanders. I don't deserve four years of tty's rages against my actions which were exactly the same as his, much less four years of Trump.

Totally fucked up it is.

 

[Fogdog]

Holy makeral guys, the election is over. HRC was a horrible choice, probably the only person who could have lost against Trump. You don't put someone up there who's negatives are so high. She also doesn't have charisma - completely a non-leader type. I know at least one life long liberal who couldn't bring herself to vote for her. She fell for the right wing propaganda - voted for Stein instead. Sander's isn't much better. If you want to win, you need to put a leader up there. A natural born leader. It's not rocket science. I called it a year before the elections, asking why we were coronating HRC. I was basically crucified for even questioning. Now look what we've got to deal with.

Holy mackerel mister, Sanders lost to Clinton in the primary by a whopping large margin.