Majikoopa
Well-Known Member
Hey everyone!
So we are getting into some obscure stuff (for some) here as I know most here are into just growing bud... that's fine w/ me but I believe in the self- sufficiency of breeding seeds every so often and the variability that comes with growing from seed. Maybe more of an ICMAG thread but Im sure some here can appreciate it. For those who do clones in a continuous flowering sort of setup, mazel tov! We aren't here to debate those merits in this thread, but I appreciate what you do
With that out of the way, I've been working a little project for a while now of breeding Wally Duck's original Ducksfoot with an autoflowering strain, in this case Snowryder. In this case, I've been out of breeding for a few years and I see someone has already put out an "autoduck" derived from Frisian Duck. So, I was beat to the punch, but it is only available in femenized seeds as are pretty much all autoflowers at this point. I don't blame the seed companies because they make money on return customers, but I want my own stock so im starting from scratch.
I got lucky by finding some authentic original ducksfoot by Walluduck several years ago and breeding them out for seed. I guess you can't find this anymore, nor non- femenized autoflower, so I got lucky with snowryder. Also lucky is that they all still germinate after all these years.
I love ducksfoot as a strain, but it takes FOREVER to grow and has a shit yield at my latitude, thanks to Australian origin and sativa makeup. My last full grow took 6 months, so needless to say it is slooooow to flower. My intent has always been to speed it up and cross with a more temperate- climate- appropriate strain (i.e. an autoflower).
SO, the idea is to cross these two strains once, then cross the F1 offspring with eachother and then the F2 generation will have a roughly 1/16 possibility of being both autoflowering and webbed. We cross the puppies showing both traits, save some pollen from the F2 daddy and back cross it in w/the best female from the F3 generation for a more stable strain.
The only real problem I'm running across is that there is SUCH a difference in how quickly the two strains flower (duh). Even after about 3 weeks now the ducksfoot is just barely starting to show (yay! The best looking/most webbed one is a girl). Luckily I've preserved a vial of Snowryder pollen under refrigeration in a dark, airtight container with a dessicant to keep it dry, so that should be viable (and valuable for breeding) for about a year.
I've been excited to share this project, and I guess the following is a moot question w/ the preserved pollen but here goes any way. Does anybody know if a good way to speed up the rate of flowering for a tropical sativa?
I'm not concerned with loss in yields because it is for seed, but I'm curious if anybody has experience w/this. I tried starting with 48 hrs of darkness then switching to a 10 on/ 14 off regiment, but it is still slow. From personal experience 12/12 doesn't tend to cut it with the ducksfoot or it takes FOREVER at that cycle. Does anybody with better a experience have any input?
So we are getting into some obscure stuff (for some) here as I know most here are into just growing bud... that's fine w/ me but I believe in the self- sufficiency of breeding seeds every so often and the variability that comes with growing from seed. Maybe more of an ICMAG thread but Im sure some here can appreciate it. For those who do clones in a continuous flowering sort of setup, mazel tov! We aren't here to debate those merits in this thread, but I appreciate what you do
With that out of the way, I've been working a little project for a while now of breeding Wally Duck's original Ducksfoot with an autoflowering strain, in this case Snowryder. In this case, I've been out of breeding for a few years and I see someone has already put out an "autoduck" derived from Frisian Duck. So, I was beat to the punch, but it is only available in femenized seeds as are pretty much all autoflowers at this point. I don't blame the seed companies because they make money on return customers, but I want my own stock so im starting from scratch.
I got lucky by finding some authentic original ducksfoot by Walluduck several years ago and breeding them out for seed. I guess you can't find this anymore, nor non- femenized autoflower, so I got lucky with snowryder. Also lucky is that they all still germinate after all these years.
I love ducksfoot as a strain, but it takes FOREVER to grow and has a shit yield at my latitude, thanks to Australian origin and sativa makeup. My last full grow took 6 months, so needless to say it is slooooow to flower. My intent has always been to speed it up and cross with a more temperate- climate- appropriate strain (i.e. an autoflower).
SO, the idea is to cross these two strains once, then cross the F1 offspring with eachother and then the F2 generation will have a roughly 1/16 possibility of being both autoflowering and webbed. We cross the puppies showing both traits, save some pollen from the F2 daddy and back cross it in w/the best female from the F3 generation for a more stable strain.
The only real problem I'm running across is that there is SUCH a difference in how quickly the two strains flower (duh). Even after about 3 weeks now the ducksfoot is just barely starting to show (yay! The best looking/most webbed one is a girl). Luckily I've preserved a vial of Snowryder pollen under refrigeration in a dark, airtight container with a dessicant to keep it dry, so that should be viable (and valuable for breeding) for about a year.
I've been excited to share this project, and I guess the following is a moot question w/ the preserved pollen but here goes any way. Does anybody know if a good way to speed up the rate of flowering for a tropical sativa?
I'm not concerned with loss in yields because it is for seed, but I'm curious if anybody has experience w/this. I tried starting with 48 hrs of darkness then switching to a 10 on/ 14 off regiment, but it is still slow. From personal experience 12/12 doesn't tend to cut it with the ducksfoot or it takes FOREVER at that cycle. Does anybody with better a experience have any input?
