Greenfella1
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These are the convos I need to be having . Good info my man, keep it coming . You hydRED and growilla keep it coming thank y'all very much .
What to buy ?
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Roger A. Shrubber
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you gotta put em in something, rapid rooters, soil, coco...
Philip-O
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Here you mention different types of cloning, using bubble cloners, aero cloners and rapid rooters. Is there one you would recommend (considering that all of us want to have the most success with the least investment!). Thanks!
Roger A. Shrubber
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i personally prefer the homemade bubble cloner, i do go to amazon and buy 2 inch neoprene discs and baskets, they make things so much easier than trying to rig some pool noodle crap. otherwise go to home depot or w/e, buy a 5 to 10 gallon tote, a couple of fish pumps, and 3 or 4 airstones. also a 2 inch hole saw. go home, measure out a grid on the lid of the tote, drill some evenly spaced holes, and you're in business.
Gquebed
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Your question makes it obvious that you do not know how to grow, otherwise you would be asking more specific questions...
So my suggestion to you is... learn how to grow first. Get a 5x5 space going with 4 plants going. Take them through to finish and see what happens. If you can yield a pound or more in that space consistenly then graduate to a larger space.
Once you have that bigger space down solid then you will have a small idea of what you need to do to harvest 20 lbs a month. No point in throwing down thousands of dollars for an operation that size only to fail. Because you will if you dont have experience. Hell...even experienced guys do.
Anyway, what you will learn is that 20 lbs a month isnt a one man operation. You will need a small team...and then an army for harvest time.
Greenfella1
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Where did I say I know how to grow or what questions to ask ????
Yes I believe every word you said . However , I'm buying 3500$ worth of shit .... and I'm growing as much as I can monthly . It would be cool if you had suggestions on how to do that. I understand I run a high risk of failure and I understand that a portion of my time and funds will be lost . Most of my initial cost will be lights , fans, dehumidifiers , buckets ...etc. shit that I will use over and over . If I fail to hit that goal and lose every plant I'm growing then all I have to do is plant more seeds and learn from my mistakes and keep trying and don't give up. Everyone says learn how to grow and keep reading before you try to grow . Well if you can learn it all by just simply reading , why isn't everyone an expert on everything ? I have to try this hands on and fail as many times are necessary to finally succeed .
I get yalls view and don't want a guy to spend money and fail .... but I know two things , I am 100 percent for sure spending that money and I'm sure I will fail More than I succeed .
So all I need to know, is what items will get me as close to my goal as possible ? Lights ...1000w hps x4 flower room
.... 1000w MH x4 veg room
.... 400w MHx1 mother plants
.... T5 bad boy clones
.... cut clones and use clonex and root them in clone domes in those plugs that come in the dome
... 15 clones at a time , once they root out them under 1x1000w MH for 4 weeks then move them to flower room under 1x1000w hps until trichomes say they are ready for harvest .
..... start 15 clones every week ?
.... soil ?
... nutes ???
Idk man, you tell me !??? I'm not pretending to know , I have a very basic idea in my head and an end goal I want to achieve .... I am reading everything I can find and asking all the questions I can . Spend my money for me and tell me what to buy , tell me how shitty my above idea is , tell me how it should be set up and what should be bought to achieve my goal or at least get as close as possible .
-perpetual harvest
- as high of a yield as possible
That's it .
Gquebed
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Sorry...didnt intend any offense...
You want advice and ive offered mine. Learn to grow first. Because what you learn will influence what YOU want to buy.
Start with a 5x5 space a dimmable 1000w Hid with air cooled hood, lots of flexible ducting, a filter and a couple inline fans. Get some buckets for mixing water and nutes. A ph pen and a ppm pen.
Grow 4 plants. Aim for 1.5 lbs. If you can do that a couple times then go big and youll have a way better idea of what you want to do and how.
Dont expect people to do it for you. I learned on my own with both good and bad advice from forums. Lots of fuck ups. All the reading in the world isnt going make you a grower. Growing will make you a grower...
Roger A. Shrubber
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do you have 3 rooms that are 250 sq ft each, or are all 3 750 sq ft each, because that makes a huge difference...
if i was you i'd look into quantum boards to run my veg area, they use a lot less power, produce a lot less heat, and give great results.
you also have to keep in mind what kind of electrical service you have available. you're talking about 6000+ watts for this set up. thats a good bit of juice.
a 250 sq foot room, if its roughly square, will be 16 X 16. if you have the power available, 4 1k lights would do nicely, but if power is an issue, 4 600s would do almost as well, and save you a lot of wattage, as well as heat.
speaking of heat, you need to include at least one big carbon filter, an 8 inch extraction fan, the ducting to hook it all together, and a place to vent it outside.
you're going to need a ppm/ec meter, a ph meter, ph up and down, pots in different sizes to start and transfer plants into as they grow....what kind of medium are you going to use? soil, coco coir, promix, hydroponics.....all have advantages and disadvantages.....
fans for all your rooms to keep air circulating, hangers for your lights...and the ducting.
i started using expensive premixed nutes, and they did a fine job. i've since went to jack's dry ferts, and i like them a lot. i use the 20-20-20 for veg, and the citrus for flowering. i spray the plants once a week with blossom booster, a calcium foliar spray for tomato bud rot. the jack's doesn't have any calcium because it interferes with sulfur. if you foliar spray it once a week, the plants get plenty and it doesn't screw up the balance in your medium.
you need to think about pest control....during veg i will alternate spinosad and pyrethin, but once a plants started to flower, i only use spinosad, it has a short half life and low toxicity to humans to begin with. i hate neem oil, im allergic to it, it give me a rash, and it stinks like rotten chinese food, but its a decent product as far as results go.
....this is just a small part of it all....and its why people are telling you to start small and learn before you jump in with both feet...
if you still jump, expect to get splashed with shit before you get a good footing...
good luck
if i was you i'd look into quantum boards to run my veg area, they use a lot less power, produce a lot less heat, and give great results.
you also have to keep in mind what kind of electrical service you have available. you're talking about 6000+ watts for this set up. thats a good bit of juice.
a 250 sq foot room, if its roughly square, will be 16 X 16. if you have the power available, 4 1k lights would do nicely, but if power is an issue, 4 600s would do almost as well, and save you a lot of wattage, as well as heat.
speaking of heat, you need to include at least one big carbon filter, an 8 inch extraction fan, the ducting to hook it all together, and a place to vent it outside.
you're going to need a ppm/ec meter, a ph meter, ph up and down, pots in different sizes to start and transfer plants into as they grow....what kind of medium are you going to use? soil, coco coir, promix, hydroponics.....all have advantages and disadvantages.....
fans for all your rooms to keep air circulating, hangers for your lights...and the ducting.
i started using expensive premixed nutes, and they did a fine job. i've since went to jack's dry ferts, and i like them a lot. i use the 20-20-20 for veg, and the citrus for flowering. i spray the plants once a week with blossom booster, a calcium foliar spray for tomato bud rot. the jack's doesn't have any calcium because it interferes with sulfur. if you foliar spray it once a week, the plants get plenty and it doesn't screw up the balance in your medium.
you need to think about pest control....during veg i will alternate spinosad and pyrethin, but once a plants started to flower, i only use spinosad, it has a short half life and low toxicity to humans to begin with. i hate neem oil, im allergic to it, it give me a rash, and it stinks like rotten chinese food, but its a decent product as far as results go.
....this is just a small part of it all....and its why people are telling you to start small and learn before you jump in with both feet...
if you still jump, expect to get splashed with shit before you get a good footing...
good luck
Greenfella1
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Thank you for your information I truly appreciate it and I'm 100% prepared to be splashed with shit .
I don't think hydroponics is a good place to start seeing as how .... I literally don't know how to grow and I've read that hydro leaves almost no room for error . I'm thinking soil.
I have several 6" fans and ducting and carbon filters already . Do you think that is enough or should I purchase 8" fans as well?
The rooms are 750sqft a piece .
I have some nutes now general organic s grow box and ph up and down and I have a soil PH meter and PH pen for water .
The power isn't an issue I have more than enough to maintain what I'm wanting to do and I figured the bill up to be around 2,000$ a month , and I can afford 1200$ a month without any issues or changing any of my budget monthly . 2,000$ I can do and wouldn't be in a bind .
As for pest control should I spray weekly even with no trace of any pest or mold ?
Greenfella1
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I agree with the growing will make me a grower , I don't want anyone to do it for me , I want advice from guys like you on the best way to approach my insanely difficult goal . I expect lots of fuck ups along the way and I welcome them .
1000w HPS ?
Which PPM pen do you suggest ?
I have a Hanna PH pen . I feel that it is pretty decent , maybe I need a better one ?
Buckets I have plenty of 5 gallon buckets .
Should I get some fabric pots ?
I plan to grow in soil , what nutes are the best for growing in soil ?
What soil should I use ?
I plan to transplant them after the clones have rooted into solo cups , is there a better option ?
Then into 3 gallon pots ... bad idea ?
Then 5 gallon pots ... bad idea ?
Thank you for your information I do truly appreciate it
Colo MMJ
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FYI - you are lucky that you have two of the best posters helping you in Hydro Red and the Gorilla dude. They know their stuff, they are helpful and they are giving you a good dose of reality.
A tent grow versus a room increases the complexity a bit including bugs, smell, temps, humidity and CO2.
750 ft? I think 10 lb is possible but you will need clones/babies, teens, veg, early flower and late flower rooms to stay on a monthly schedule. You can probably put all veg in one room and all flower in another room.
Gquebed
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so you have buckets and a pH pen. Okay get a PPM pen too.
Skip the fabric pots for now. Root your clones in Solo cups. Transplant to 1 gallon pots. Then again to 3.5 gallon pots. I like to use Pro mix. It's not soil. It is mostly peat moss vermiculite and perlite.
Roger A. Shrubber
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yeah, a square room would be about 25x 25....thats a huge room. you could do everything in one room if you put a couple of tents in it to veg in.
Greenfella1
Member
Thanks for the inputI think we going to hear about this dude when he gets busted.
Greenfella1
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I'm not against tents I guess , but I don't think I want to buy any with all the extra room I have . Maybe splitting one room in half or thirds ? I have a bundle of 2x4s and 80 sheets of blandex .
Roger A. Shrubber
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you can use all three rooms of you want to, but you're going to be using one corner in each one for quite a while...
building a partition would work, just make sure you get it light proof before you start flowering
building a partition would work, just make sure you get it light proof before you start flowering
Greenfella1
Member
Maybe split it up to 250 sqft rooms
HydroRed
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The bigger the rooms, the more exhaust fans/air exchange/heating and A/C you need. That why most have suggested doing your cuts/mommas and vegging all in one veg room. Personally, I'd keep my transplanting to a minimum. I can see jumping from smaller pot to bigger pot....if you dont have room to house 10-15 vegging plants in 5 gal buckets. But you do have the room so just start them off in solo cups as cuts, then transplant right into the pots they will flower in. Veg them in the same pots they will be flowered in and just move them to the flower room when ready.
Seems like you have a solid idea on how to run a perpetual.
Mommas:cut clones:roots clones for 7-14 days in solo cups:transplant to flowering pots:veg for 4 weeks:move pots to flower room.
In this time, you are running another set of cuts to be run through the process described and another set into the flower room 4 weeks later. 4 week perpetual grow that gives you x amount of plants ready for harvest every 4 weeks.
The new/novice grower should be able to achieve about 1/2 a gram per watt of lighting used. If you use (6) 1000W HPS lights in your flower room that equates to about 3000 grams for the room total (approx 3 lbs) every 4 weeks. Are you seeing where you would need to be at with equipment,electricity, and man power to achieve 20lbs a month now?
Heres a quick mach up of a room set up for a perpetual every 4 weeks.
When you move the plants from the veg room to the flower room, you will fill a row every 4 weeks so the 2 rows in flower room will be staggered apart by 4 weeks so you can get on course to yield every 4 weeks per row. As soon as you pull a row, the next set of plants that have been vegging for the past 4 weeks can go into the empty row in the flower room. You will need to be on top of cutting from the momma and getting them rooted and vegging to keep up with the 4 week rotation of the flowering cycles. Sounds easy on paper, but it can be a task -certainly for someone new at it.
Another thing to think about is if you plan to run say 10 potted plants per row, then you will need 40+ pots total for the whole gig if using reusable pots.
-10 pots in veg under the MH lights
-10 pots for flower row 1
-10 pots for flower row 2
-10 pots that are in reserve to transplant from rooted clone to veg while one of the flowering rows is being harvested. That way you can be starting a new row of flower while harvesting the last row of flower you just took out and not be waiting on the pots that they are currently in.
Plus 1 pot for every momma.
It would take pages upon pages of me writing info to get you "kinda prepared" for a setup like this.
Thats why we have been urging you to start off small and get in your groove before doing something on a scale like this.
Seems like you have a solid idea on how to run a perpetual.
Mommas:cut clones:roots clones for 7-14 days in solo cups:transplant to flowering pots:veg for 4 weeks:move pots to flower room.
In this time, you are running another set of cuts to be run through the process described and another set into the flower room 4 weeks later. 4 week perpetual grow that gives you x amount of plants ready for harvest every 4 weeks.
The new/novice grower should be able to achieve about 1/2 a gram per watt of lighting used. If you use (6) 1000W HPS lights in your flower room that equates to about 3000 grams for the room total (approx 3 lbs) every 4 weeks. Are you seeing where you would need to be at with equipment,electricity, and man power to achieve 20lbs a month now?
Heres a quick mach up of a room set up for a perpetual every 4 weeks.
When you move the plants from the veg room to the flower room, you will fill a row every 4 weeks so the 2 rows in flower room will be staggered apart by 4 weeks so you can get on course to yield every 4 weeks per row. As soon as you pull a row, the next set of plants that have been vegging for the past 4 weeks can go into the empty row in the flower room. You will need to be on top of cutting from the momma and getting them rooted and vegging to keep up with the 4 week rotation of the flowering cycles. Sounds easy on paper, but it can be a task -certainly for someone new at it.
Another thing to think about is if you plan to run say 10 potted plants per row, then you will need 40+ pots total for the whole gig if using reusable pots.
-10 pots in veg under the MH lights
-10 pots for flower row 1
-10 pots for flower row 2
-10 pots that are in reserve to transplant from rooted clone to veg while one of the flowering rows is being harvested. That way you can be starting a new row of flower while harvesting the last row of flower you just took out and not be waiting on the pots that they are currently in.
Plus 1 pot for every momma.
It would take pages upon pages of me writing info to get you "kinda prepared" for a setup like this.
Thats why we have been urging you to start off small and get in your groove before doing something on a scale like this.
HydroRed
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He makes a great point. You may be limited by the electrical load you can have per room. Just cuz you got $2000 a month to spend on electrical, doesn't mean the rooms can handle a load like that. Check your main panel and the breakers for each room and calculate what you can get away with in total. It would suck to buy 10K watts of light to find out you can only run 4K of it.