Flushing ...

[Daveindiego]

Hmm... good to know.
I flushed my outdoor plants all summer.

What kind of nutrients did you feed them? How high of a ppm did you achieve?

 

[Budget Buds]

Overdosing on phosphorous is a recipe for bitter buds.
Same for tomatoes.
Jack em up on P and they'll taste like shit -- guaranteed.

"Can't get off 'til you cough"?
I call bullshit.
Good pot shouldn't be harsh.

Am I talking to people who really need to be told what NOT to do?? I didnt realize I had to spell out you shouldn't mega feed massive amounts of nutrients to your shit, You also shouldnt drink and drive, eat to excess or have sex with strangers unprotected..... And really dont be a PC fucktard ....

If you feed your plants what they need and dont overdue it a BUNCH , You wont taste anything, I just harvested a batch a week or so ago and they were fed 1400 ppm all the way to the end, No issues with taste or smell and not even started to really cure yet..... Just a proper slow dry, Not harsh or smelling like anything but fresh cannabis. It will all get better as the jars do there jobs...

 

[Chunky Stool]

What kind of nutrients did you feed them? How high of a ppm did you achieve?

Organic soil + occasional nutrient tea.
I don't measure PPM for nutrient tea.
When growing indoors with synthetic nutes, maxing out PPM does *not* translate into better yield or quality.
My goal is to feed them as little as possible while still getting the results I want.
1.4 EC works well most of the time & I rarely go over 2.0 (~1,000 PPM).

 

[Dr Magill]

Thats not the flush, thats you getting better at growing

Ha!! We'll see on that one. I'm still a work in progress

 

[Kerovan]

Zapping y'all,

1.) What is the result of not flushing???

Thank you.

Healthier plants and tasty buds..

Flushing is pointless. The nutrients go into the leaves to provide energy, not the flowers.

 

[Dr. Who]

Plain water the last week is flushing.

And still, useless!

I have read about 331 threads... I want personal opinions on a relevant post. Respect.

I answer with this as my pat answer:

I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".

Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!

Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!

I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.

Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...

The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!

There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)

There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.

Read this too!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/

Hows that work BB?

What you should pay attention to is how you dry and cure! A proper cure is long and has rules. 4-8 weeks (like 6- and have the buds in an RH of 56 - 62 %.

Drying should take around 2 weeks in 50% RH at right about 70 F.

There are more details - ask if you like....

 

[Daveindiego]

And still, useless!



I answer with this as my pat answer:

I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".

Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!

Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!

I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.

Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...

The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!

There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)

There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.

Read this too!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/

Hows that work BB?

What you should pay attention to is how you dry and cure! A proper cure is long and has rules. 4-8 weeks (like 6- and have the buds in an RH of 56 - 62 %.

Drying should take around 2 weeks in 50% RH at right about 70 F.

There are more details - ask if you like....

Nothing in agriculture gets the kind of a nutrient regiment as what I’m growing.

 

[Daveindiego]

Can somebody explain EC meters versus TDS ppm meters?

It would seem that PPM meters give a more accurate number than Electrical Conductivity.

And can someone help me with my EC meter, it reads out in a 4 digit number. 1000 ppm is the same as 2020 on my EC meter.

My grow log is calling it ds/M, and I’m pretty sure my meter is /cm.

 

[Dr. Who]

Nothing in agriculture gets the kind of a nutrient regiment as what I’m growing.

LOL, if you knew what Corn gets and asparagus too (NPK wise).....You wouldn't worry about my comparison. Food stuffs, for the most part, get more then we feed cannabis.....some, lots more! They vary in ratio's for the plant too.

Can somebody explain EC meters versus TDS ppm meters?

It would seem that PPM meters give a more accurate number than Electrical Conductivity.

They actually both use conductivity to do their measuring.....They are just calibrated different by formula (math).

What you use is best put by doing whats easier for you. In hydro, I did ppm. In soil, I just adjusted the charting to feed my strains properly (amounts by ml mixed for the feed. I have a basically favorite set of NPK ratio's for 2 differing style's of applying the nutrient ratio's by time in the bloom cycle, to soil runs. They are both very successful).

 

[KryptoBud]

You have it backwards EC is measured the same on every meter.

PPM has three scales .5 .64 or .7 depending on brand. I don't think the .64 is used often.

 

[Daveindiego]

You have it backwards EC is measured the same on every meter.

PPM has three scales .5 .64 or .7 depending on brand. I don't think the .64 is used often.

Here is a current photo of the readout on this new EC meter I got. That is showing ‘EC’ and temperature.

 

[Daveindiego]

LOL, if you knew what Corn gets and asparagus too (NPK wise).....You wouldn't worry about my comparison. Food stuffs, for the most part, get more then we feed cannabis.....some, lots more! They vary in ratio's for the plant too.



They actually both use conductivity to do their measuring.....They are just calibrated different by formula (math).

What you use is best put by doing whats easier for you. In hydro, I did ppm. In soil, I just adjusted the charting to feed my strains properly (amounts by ml mixed for the feed. I have a basically favorite set of NPK ratio's for 2 differing style's of applying the nutrient ratio's by time in the bloom cycle, to soil runs. They are both very successful).

I’m in San Diego. Thank god I have zero idea of how my food is prepared.

Is that your strain offered at that seed bank?

 

[Dr. Who]

Is that your strain offered at that seed bank?

The one named Dr. Who? Nope......Home Grown Natural Wonders is the original breeder. They gave some strains to Sub to work. They didn't like what he did with them, They took them back a few years ago.
Nice folks at HGNW's, strains too.

 

[Daveindiego]

The one named Dr. Who? Nope......Home Grown Natural Wonders is the original breeder. They gave some strains to Sub to work. They didn't like what he did with them, They took them back a few years ago.
Nice folks at HGNW's, strains too.

Yeah, I was looking the other day when you posted.

I may come back to you with another link request in the future.