So, whose head is 1st on the chopping block?

[Unclebaldrick]

Talk about a gang that can't shoot straight. The first thing anyone thinking would do is send home anyone who was interviewed by the special counsel and is being subpoena'd by congress to appear.

It would be the latest sequel in the "Home Alone" franchise.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

Ah, G. Gordon. Met him a couple of times when he was doing his radio show. Fun guy. Quite the grammar nazi.

"You don't make a decision, you take a decision. The decision already exists before you take it."

Is he still alive?

Yes, he's still alive and we share the same birthday

He's never been anything more than a wannabe warrior

 

[TacoMac]

Conspiracy is on every federal indictment because if the other charges fail to get a conviction, conspiracy almost always does.

Wrong. Completely. In fact, it's so wrong I'm of the opinion you have no clue what a conspiracy charge is and what the burden of proof is.

Conspiracy takes two or more people, and in order to prove it you must show that at least one act was completed towards the end of that conspiracy. Conspiracy is charged many times in cases where the actual crime the conspiracy was about was never committed. (An example is conspiracy to commit murder where two people plan to kill someone but are arrested before the murder takes place.)

If you and I talk about killing someone together, that isn't enough to prove conspiracy. But if you went out and bought some ski masks, and I went out and bought a couple of guns, or we both met with a hit man to discuss and ultimately pay for the murder, then those acts are MORE than enough to prove the conspiracy. Although the person in question was never actually murdered, we certainly conspired to do it.

This case is no different. Whether the Trump campaign did or didn't collude with the Russians (and all evidence so far points very directly at the idea that they did) there is already enough proof of conspiracy to put away several people, not the least of which is going to be Jared Kushner.

After all, the man that just plead guilty to lying to Federal Authorities is the very same man that arranged some of the meetings with Russians that we now know Kushner attended.

There's your one step. There's your one act towards the crime of collusion. If you think for one second that 15 years in prison isn't going to make a lot of people start spilling their guts, then you're in for a great deal of disappointment.

charge is why the government has such a high conviction rate compared to States courts.

Wrong again. State Courts don't charge conspiracy nearly as much due to the simple fact that the vast majority of state crimes are committed by individuals.

Guilt by association is not going to impeach a sitting president.

In this case, it will. He has already been caught lying several times as has his staff. One by one they all have changed their stories at least once. Some, like his son, three times. They all knew about the email as well, so they can't say they didn't know. They've all now admitted that they did.

Even if the President could beat the conspiracy charge, there's a very good chance he'll go down for obstruction of justice.

Regardless of any of that, his presidency is effectively over. There will be no getting around this. At best, he'll finish his term out fighting legal battles and fending off questions as all those that put him in the white house go to prison one by one. He'll not get a second term and will leave office in disgrace having accomplished nothing but putting us back about 50 years.

He will replace James Buchanan as the Worst President in United States History with relative ease.

You suck at this!

No. That is you. You have, quite literally, no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Yes, he's still alive and we share the same birthday

He's never been anything more than a wannabe warrior

I actually kind of liked him. Odd. He was not a liar, he was a soldier who stood up for his principles no matter how bizarre they are.

He used to do a speaking tour with Tim Leary. I almost hired him to do it in college but blew the money on HST instead.

 

[rkymtnman]

HST instead.

as in Hunter? do tell.

 

[Chezus]

I actually kind of liked him. Odd. He was not a liar, he was a soldier who stood up for his principles no matter how bizarre they are.

He used to do a speaking tour with Tim Leary. I almost hired him to do it in college but blew the money on HST instead.

Was he sober enough?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Was he sober enough?

HST? He was a bit messed up. There were two bottles of Chevas and a case of Becks (?) on the contract rider. It was clear he was not at his sharpest, not because of the booze though. Or did you mean Liddy?

 

[schuylaar]

At least he won't be spending so much on lawn care that he has to wire funds from Cypress. Something tells me that commissary accounts can't be funded from offshore.

haven't you guys ever heard of 'bill pay'? leave manafort alone!

 

[schuylaar]

But I love the word 'defenestrate'. So continental.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Yeah, I saw him on Tucker Carlson's show last night. It was like watching two turds circle the bowl for five minutes.

 

[schuylaar]

Lol, I remember him talking about it. He was so happy.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

as in Hunter? do tell.

Not much to tell. He showed up with Pat Cadell (former McGovern campaign manager and current FOX News employee). We had a couple of beers (which I got 'talked to' about the following week by a dean). He was kind of going with the flow and let Cadell talk a lot. About halfway through I noticed the curtain on stage swaying back and forth and looked up to see why. There was a rabid HST fan who had entered the theater at some point before the show (which was sold out) standing on the rigging above the stage. When he saw me see him he slid down the curtain and presented HST with a grapefruit. I escorted him off stage and later got some shit for not detaining him for the DC police. They caught him later. After the show HST and Pat Cadell went home with a couple of groupies - friends of mine really - Missy and Maggie from Tuscadero. I never asked them about the rest of the evening.

 

[schuylaar]

Wrong. Completely. In fact, it's so wrong I'm of the opinion you have no clue what a conspiracy charge is and what the burden of proof is.

Conspiracy takes two or more people, and in order to prove it you must show that at least one act was completed towards the end of that conspiracy. Conspiracy is charged many times in cases where the actual crime the conspiracy was about was never committed. (An example is conspiracy to commit murder where two people plan to kill someone but are arrested before the murder takes place.)

If you and I talk about killing someone together, that isn't enough to prove conspiracy. But if you went out and bought some ski masks, and I went out and bought a couple of guns, or we both met with a hit man to discuss and ultimately pay for the murder, then those acts are MORE than enough to prove the conspiracy. Although the person in question was never actually murdered, we certainly conspired to do it.

This case is no different. Whether the Trump campaign did or didn't collude with the Russians (and all evidence so far points very directly at the idea that they did) there is already enough proof of conspiracy to put away several people, not the least of which is going to be Jared Kushner.

After all, the man that just plead guilty to lying to Federal Authorities is the very same man that arranged some of the meetings with Russians that we now know Kushner attended.

There's your one step. There's your one act towards the crime of collusion. If you think for one second that 15 years in prison isn't going to make a lot of people start spilling their guts, then you're in for a great deal of disappointment.



Wrong again. State Courts don't charge conspiracy nearly as much due to the simple fact that the vast majority of state crimes are committed by individuals.



In this case, it will. He has already been caught lying several times as has his staff. One by one they all have changed their stories at least once. Some, like his son, three times. They all knew about the email as well, so they can't say they didn't know. They've all now admitted that they did.

Even if the President could beat the conspiracy charge, there's a very good chance he'll go down for obstruction of justice.

Regardless of any of that, his presidency is effectively over. There will be no getting around this. At best, he'll finish his term out fighting legal battles and fending off questions as all those that put him in the white house go to prison one by one. He'll not get a second term and will leave office in disgrace having accomplished nothing but putting us back about 50 years.

He will replace James Buchanan as the Worst President in United States History with relative ease.



No. That is you. You have, quite literally, no idea what you're talking about.

+rep

 

[schuylaar]

Not much to tell. He showed up with Pat Cadell (former McGovern campaign manager and current FOX News employee). We had a couple of beers (which I got 'talked to' about the following week by a dean). He was kind of going with the flow and let Cadell talk a lot. About halfway through I noticed the curtain on stage swaying back and forth and looked up to see why. There was a rabid HST fan who had entered the theater at some point before the show (which was sold out) standing on the rigging above the stage. When he saw me see him he slid down the curtain and presented HST with a grapefruit. I escorted him off stage and later got some shit for not detaining him for the DC police. They caught him later. After the show HST and Pat Cadell went home with a couple of groupies - friends of mine really - Missy and Maggie from Tuscadero. I never asked them about the rest of the evening.

what happened to the grapefruit?

 

[Chezus]

HST? He was a bit messed up. There were two bottles of Chevas and a case of Becks (?) on the contract rider. It was clear he was not at his sharpest, not because of the booze though. Or did you mean Liddy?

I meant Hunter. Every show I have seen him on. He was hammered, slurring his words.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

I meant Hunter. Every show I have seen him on. He was hammered, slurring his words.

Yeah. Never meet your heroes.

I did make a shitload off of him though. I brought my HST books and he signed them all. After he died I sold them for a lot. I just didn't care. I got nearly a 1000 for a Hell's Angels 1st. He would have approved. When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

what happened to the grapefruit?

I do not recall. It was on the table we provided HST last I saw it. The guy who brought it was a "Occupy-style" dirty hippy white boy with dreads. I think he is now a Republican staffer on the Hill.

 

[rkymtnman]

how do you make prison grilled cheese? i'm curious.

 

[schuylaar]

you don't even need to butter the bread

 

[Chezus]

you don't even need to butter the bread

so Shillary's playing the victim now?
hey! I heard she had a ministroke..when will she be releasing her medical records over that fake fall (that was really the stroke) during the beghazi hearings?
where was she born again? I heard it was outside the US..where's her birth certificate?..she needs to pony that up too..
hint: she's not releasing anything including the transcripts of her paid speeches..what is she hiding?
let's take a listen, shall we?: