EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

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[st0wandgrow]

Was anything I said incorrect?

I followed this issue as best I could. Flint was put under Republican controlled state government and forced to switch to the Flint river supply. Well before the switch-over an engineering review clearly pointed out that water treatment didn't include equipment to add chemicals that would protect the passivation layer in the lead pipes. The Republican controlled oversight team refused to spend a few hundred thousand dollars on equipment. The whole thing blew up when acidic Flint water rotted lead pipes. It was completely unnecessary because the only reason to switch away from safe water supply was to save a minor amount of money.

Republican controlled congress is balking at any idea that federal dollars should pay for pipe replacement and Michigan government which is controlled by Republicans are more interested in cutting spending than public health.

What have I gotten wrong?

Before any State takeover of the City government...Mayor Walling and City Council were looking at proposals to get off the Detroit pipeline and pull water out of the Flint River. A year before to be exact. The entire Democratic led City government was for it before anyone from Lansing took the reigns away from them.

Plenty of blame to go around, mostly resting with republicans imo. Yes, the city council voted to terminate its contract with Detroit for drinking water, but their vote was mostly symbolic because the city was under the authority of the emergency financial manager appointed by Gov Snyder (a repub). They voted to switch to a new pipeline from Lake Huron that was still under construction, so they needed a temporary source of water to bridge the gap. They considered renewing their contract with Detroit until the new pipeline was complete, but the dem controlled Detroit city council decided to gouge the city of Flint and jack up the price. The city was basically in bankruptcy proceedings at that point and could not afford the Detroit proposal.

The emergency financial manager, Darnell Early, was the one who made the call to use the Flint river as a temporary water source. Mr Earley is a Democrat, but was appointed by a republican governor.

The EPA under Obama’s watch dropped the ball here too. They did not enforce measures that should have been taken by the state to ensure that the water was safe for consumption.

 

[since1991]

About this time average monthly water rates went up about triple what people usually paid. For water that was unusable. And if you rented a house...water dept wanted 400$ deposit just to turn it on. This town is poor. And the whole water dealy was just too much. At the rate we are going...all of America will soon be a Detroit or Flint. Unless we all wake the fuck up...bound to happen.

 

[schuylaar]

Something I don't understand in all this bashing of Democrats is why you and padashystikk think the country, which has consistently voted for conservatives in most states, will suddenly vote for liberals if only Sanders and his policies were put in front of them?

because of this:



our children..they became old enough to vote and prefer experience over material, honesty over lies.

 

[Fogdog]

Plenty of blame to go around, mostly resting with republicans imo. Yes, the city council voted to terminate its contract with Detroit for drinking water, but their vote was mostly symbolic because the city was under the authority of the emergency financial manager appointed by Gov Snyder (a repub). They voted to switch to a new pipeline from Lake Huron that was still under construction, so they needed a temporary source of water to bridge the gap. They considered renewing their contract with Detroit until the new pipeline was complete, but the dem controlled Detroit city council decided to gouge the city of Flint and jack up the price. The city was basically in bankruptcy proceedings at that point and could not afford the Detroit proposal.

The emergency financial manager, Darnell Early, was the one who made the call to use the Flint river as a temporary water source. Mr Earley is a Democrat, but was appointed by a republican governor.

The EPA under Obama’s watch dropped the ball here too. They did not enforce measures that should have been taken by the state to ensure that the water was safe for consumption.

15 people indicted. Many in Michigan DEQ and a few in Flint water supply operations. The worst was Department of health officials who falsified records, in my opinion.

Plenty of blame to go around. I still can't see how this makes Democrats same as Republicans, @since1991 , but I understand the source of your frustration and anger.

 

[Fogdog]

because of this:

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our children..they became old enough to vote.

So, reading between the lines of your cryptic comment, you think that kids who grew up in Wyoming or Mississippi will vote liberal because of Sanders?

You think that the over 35 voters are just going to wilt away next year because of Sanders?

 

[st0wandgrow]

About this time average monthly water rates went up about triple what people usually paid. For water that was unusable. And if you rented a house...water dept wanted 400$ deposit just to turn it on. This town is poor. And the whole water dealy was just too much. At the rate we are going...all of America will soon be a Detroit or Flint. Unless we all wake the fuck up...bound to happen.

My take on it is that Flint is a poor, mostly minority city so the government officials simply didn’t give a shit. They were looking to save money at the expense of peoples health.

There is no way this would have happened in a more affluent area like Bloomfield Hills or Northville.

 

[schuylaar]

So, reading between the lines of your cryptic comment, you think that kids who grew up in Wyoming or Mississippi will vote liberal because of Sanders?

You think that the over 35 voters are just going to wilt away next year because of Sanders?

they're voting substance and what makes sense. Bernie Sanders makes a lot of sense to them. He makes a lot of sense to me and to many others.

 

[Fogdog]

because of this:

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our children..they became old enough to vote and prefer experience over material, honesty over lies.

I get where you are coming from, just skeptical that the country which has voted conservative for so long will suddenly vote liberal because Sanders. Perhaps in addition to the youth vote, the 35 and older crowd in some states will also vote for liberals because of this

 

[Fogdog]

they're voting substance and what makes sense. Bernie Sanders makes a lot of sense to them. He makes a lot of sense to me and to many others.

I actually do like the candidates who are members of the Our Revolution reform effort.

 

[st0wandgrow]

15 people indicted. Many in Michigan DEQ and a few in Flint water supply operations. The worst was Department of health officials who falsified records, in my opinion.

Plenty of blame to go around. I still can't see how this makes Democrats same as Republicans, @since1991 , but I understand the source of your frustration and anger.

I agree that Republicans are mostly to blame for this. If I had to assign a number to it, I’d say 75% of the issues were caused by Republicans. But, the Dems involved aren’t without blame. This issue to me highlights corruption on both sides, at every level of government.

The biggest joke of this all is our attorney general, Bill Schuette (a repub) who is tasked with convicting people for this mess. He’s the most partisan hack I’ve ever seen. The only reason he’s holding any of his teams people accountable is because he’s eyeing a bid for Governor next cycle. God help us all if he wins. He makes Mike Pence look like an honest broker.

 

[Fogdog]

About this time average monthly water rates went up about triple what people usually paid. For water that was unusable. And if you rented a house...water dept wanted 400$ deposit just to turn it on. This town is poor. And the whole water dealy was just too much. At the rate we are going...all of America will soon be a Detroit or Flint. Unless we all wake the fuck up...bound to happen.

Oh yes, Trump and Republican congress are mirroring what happened in Flint.

 

[Chezus]

because of this:

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our children..they became old enough to vote and prefer experience over material, honesty over lies.

I can prove she had a stroke here's why:
-she came back to the hearings with glasses after her fake fall..remember how everyone remarked about that?
-look at a closeup of her left eye during the hearings..it goes inward towards her nose..any medical professional knows what that means.
she was wearing those glasses to retrain her eye from the neurological damage she suffered..

 

[Fogdog]

I agree that Republicans are mostly to blame for this. If I had to assign a number to it, I’d say 75% of the issues were caused by Republicans. But, the Dems involved aren’t without blame. This issue to me highlights corruption on both sides, at every level of government.

The biggest joke of this all is our attorney general, Bill Schuette (a repub) who is tasked with convicting people for this mess. He’s the most partisan hack I’ve ever seen. The only reason he’s holding any of his teams people accountable is because he’s eyeing a bid for Governor next cycle. God help us all if he wins. He makes Mike Pence look like an honest broker.

OK, that's sounds like a fair assessment. I still don't understand the nearly 100% focus of anger and rhetoric agains Democrats for 25% of the problem but I agree that there is blame to be shared.

What's going on in Michigan? It used to be a solid union and Democratic party state. Now, nutjob Republicans seem to be in total control.

 

[londonfog]

they're voting substance and what makes sense. Bernie Sanders makes a lot of sense to them. He makes a lot of sense to me and to many others.

Jane is about to get dragged in the courts. Bernie is going to be more concerned about that. The guy will just run for senate and kick back and fish. He is getting to old to hit the campaign trail for POTUS. You had your chance to vote. You didn't.

 

[Fogdog]

My take on it is that Flint is a poor, mostly minority city so the government officials simply didn’t give a shit. They were looking to save money at the expense of peoples health.

There is no way this would have happened in a more affluent area like Bloomfield Hills or Northville.

In fact, it did not happen. Precautions were taken to NOT mix Flint water for the entire county, special plumbing was put in place to avoid mixing Lake Huron water that went everywhere else in the county. It WAS forced upon Flint residents.

 

[schuylaar]

I get where you are coming from, just skeptical that the country which has voted conservative for so long will suddenly vote liberal because Sanders. Perhaps in addition to the youth vote, the 35 and older crowd in some states will also vote for liberals because of this
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The introduction of a whole new generation has changed the political landscape as you once knew it to be..it's called 'time marches on'.

 

[schuylaar]

I agree that Republicans are mostly to blame for this. If I had to assign a number to it, I’d say 75% of the issues were caused by Republicans. But, the Dems involved aren’t without blame. This issue to me highlights corruption on both sides, at every level of government.

The biggest joke of this all is our attorney general, Bill Schuette (a repub) who is tasked with convicting people for this mess. He’s the most partisan hack I’ve ever seen. The only reason he’s holding any of his teams people accountable is because he’s eyeing a bid for Governor next cycle. God help us all if he wins. He makes Mike Pence look like an honest broker.

fight him.

 

[schuylaar]

In fact, it did not happen. Precautions were taken to NOT mix Flint water for the entire county, special plumbing was put in place to avoid mixing Lake Huron water that went everywhere else in the county. It WAS forced upon Flint residents.

and those people should be in jail and forced to drink that water themselves.

This is why:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

 

[st0wandgrow]

OK, that's sounds like a fair assessment. I still don't understand the nearly 100% focus of anger and rhetoric agains Democrats for 25% of the problem but I agree that there is blame to be shared.

What's going on in Michigan? It used to be a solid union and Democratic party state. Now, nutjob Republicans seem to be in total control.

Gerrymandering. It’s a purple state that has turned red due to Repubs redrawing district lines with their crayons. Probably the worst case of gerrymandering in the country next to Wisconsin.

Betsy Devos and her family have played a big part in this. Tons of money spent by them at the state level to push everything to the right.

The problem is that the Dems have little credibility in the state. They have no political capital to fight back. Scandal after scandal by the Dems. Kwame Kilpatrick (former dem mayor of Detroit) and the Detroit city council gets brought up every time someone tries to pin something on the Repubs. It’s disgusting, and has definitely helped shape my view that both sides are crooked.