Humidity question ?

[Budley Doright]

^^^^^ from what has been said, and if true, could it possibly be under watering and they are starting to drop because of that? Not suggesting, just thinking aloud lol.

 

[HydroRed]

See it’s not a smart pot but it has a cone helps with overwatering dries them out faster I guess ive had them for a few years plus I’ve never had this problem before.

I used those as well. They are great for saving on hydroton, but you cant bury your transplant as deep in them due to the cone on the inside. This has lead to a need for hand watering the first few days or running my floods higher in my tables for a week or so. Not top pick for us hydro guys.

 

[Budley Doright]

If you don't have a cal/mag additive then use Epson salts.

Yup calmag, always calmag LOL.

 

[Gquebed]

Do you shoot a dog with TICKS?? Seen worse plants brought back.

I have brought worst looking plants back myself.
But what this guy is worried about is the same thing that I'm worried about... one quart of water between 3 plants and 4 gallon pots!!?? How long has that been going on?

See where this is goin? So whatever little he has watered them has dried up fast in those pots leaving salts behind and those roots sucked up those salts looking for water.

What happens next is obvious to anyone who's made this mistake. Soon there will be all kinds of nutrient deficiencies appearing. And then the guys going to start chasing those around trying to solve the problem but really that boat has already sailed...

Anyway maybe flip the flower and see what you can get off of them. But what the fuc truths is it really worth the time...???

 

[Budley Doright]

I'm being very honest with you when I say this... you're going to have a hard time getting those plants to recover enough to stay healthy through a full flowering cycle of 2+ months. I would personally chalk it up as a loss and start over.

If you decide against that, then here's what I'd personally do if I was determined to flower them out.

• Leach the salts with a heavy water of plain PH'd water. Clear runoff is the goal here. It may take quite a bit of water for 10 gallon pots.
• After achieving clear runoff, mix up 5 gallons of water & nutrients at 1/4 - 1/2 strength and water in.
• Nutrients should consist of 50/50 base nutrients and a calmag supplement. 400-600 PPM would be ideal.
• Immediately after re-feeding the soil, transplant into 20 gallon pots. Ensure you're using high quality soil.
• Now wait and watch.

Moving forward I would advise watering to achieve runoff every time. It's easy to get pockets in the soil and get salt buildups when you do light waterings with zero runoff. Also ensure you're using a solid water source.
You have a lot of problems going on with those plants. I'm not saying this with rude intentions either, just stating the facts. You'll need to avoid doing what you've been doing to ensure you don't have these problems in the future.

When the rhizosphere is not balanced or healthy it creates lockouts in the plants and that's what I see in your plants. It's not just one thing, it's quite a few symptoms. As soon as those imbalanced are rebalanced, you'll notice healthy growth again. It's definitely going to take some time since those are not young plants.

One last thing, not sure if you've used microbes before but I highly recommend them. I personally use recharge but there are others on the market. You WANT beneficial bacteria and microbes in the soil to help breakdown nutrients and make food more bioavailable for the plant to eat. Microbes significantly help nutrient uptake even when ph levels aren't ideal.

edit: I don't see anything humidity related. FWIW, I personally aim for 50%-70% during veg and 45%-55% during flower.

Why would you trash it? All I'm seeing is droppy leaves and slightly burned tips. What else do you see that would warrant binning it?

 

[Budley Doright]

I have brought worst looking plants back myself.
But what this guy is worried about is the same thing that I'm worried about... one quart of water between 3 plants and 4 gallon pots!!?? How long has that been going on?

See where this is goin? So whatever little he has watered them has dried up fast in those pots leaving salts behind and those roots sucked up those salts looking for water.

What happens next is obvious to anyone who's made this mistake. Soon there will be all kinds of nutrient deficiencies appearing. And then the guys going to start chasing those around trying to solve the problem but really that boat has already sailed...

Anyway maybe flip the flower and see what you can get off of them. But what the fuc truths is it really worth the time...???

But does it really look like it's burnt or burning? I suck at soil grow issues lol.

 

[smokebros]

Why would you trash it? All I'm seeing is droppy leaves and slightly burned tips. What else do you see that would warrant binning it?

Haha, let me clarify a few things.

OP's plants are not juveniles, they're full grown plants that have been growing for several months. If OP wants to correct the environmental issues & lockout issues then it's not going to happen overnight. OP would need to spend a lot of time, likely 30-60 days to revive those plants back to adequate health where they could be flowered. Reviving mature plants is hard enough for an experienced grower, let alone a novice who's lack of growing skills got them into this position in the first place. This would assume OP relearns everything and does it right going forward.

With all that being said, regardless if I'd personally cull the plants or not, I still provided OP with sound advice to correct the problems without culling. I listed out steps and instructions to get the plants back on the road to recovery. I didn't see many other people in the thread provide any insightful information like that whatsoever.

I'm going to interject my personal opinion again, so don't get offended....
I'd personally cull and start over.
There is a point of diminishing returns where one must determine if it's worth their time, money, and energy to take action. I never once said those plants can't come back with the right amount of TLC, but do you want to be the one responsible for that task on your dime? I personally wouldn't. The cost of electricity, nutrients, new pots, more soil, water, MY TIME, MY ENERGY, no I wouldn't want to be that person. Instead of spending the next two months "chasing deficiencies" as @gyuebed mentioned, I'd rather have fully vegged out healthy plants ready to flower without the headaches.

The one guy made a joke about shooting a dog with ticks.What I'd say to him is...

Dude, OP's problem is way different than that. I'd rephrase your statement to something like "would you spend $5,000 on surgery to make your 10 year old dog live 1 year longer?", because that statement rides the line of diminishing returns more than shooting a dog with ticks.

YOU have to determine value and worth, my beliefs may be different than yours. My time is valuable to me. I'd personally chalk it up as a loss, learn from the mistakes, and move forward.

But if you're determined to "fix" the problem, reference back to my original post in the thread as I don't see much of any other pieces of good information.

 

[Gquebed]

But does it really look like it's burnt or burning? I suck at soil grow issues lol.

Things just happen slower in promix is all...

Those plants dont look burned yet. But if he really is under watering by as much as he says then it's just a matter of time before the salt burn starts to show up. I call it salt burn but really all it is is nutrient lockout from sucking up the salts.

My last grow grow I was iffy about watering my plants. I thought they could make it to the next morning. Well when I check the next morning the pots were super light and s oil was bone dry. I watered is usual and about 10 days later all the sudden I had all kinds of nute problems.
Couldn't figure out what it was. Ran around in circles Chasing Ghosts....ph and this and that.

When really my only problem was I should have been a lazy ass and just water before I went to bed...lol

 

[Gquebed]

But does it really look like it's burnt or burning? I suck at soil grow issues lol.

Put another way...
Those are very mature plants and if they are that Droopy from being under-watered then I have no doubt in my mind that there's going to be salt damage. It's just going to take a while to show...

If the guys got room I would still flower them. Can still Harvest a good bit of Bud off of those.

 

[Budley Doright]

All my soil grows are outdoors and the dry out to the point of drooping on occasion and they pop right back with no issues. I would not bin it and hopefully op won't as I'm curious now to see if it's to the point you guys say it is. Not saying it is, or isn't, just curious and nope I would not bin it.

 

[Budley Doright]

This plant (outdoor) that had a very rough time re drying out and as you can see it did ok

 

[kingtitan]

Haha, let me clarify a few things.

OP's plants are not juveniles, they're full grown plants that have been growing for several months. If OP wants to correct the environmental issues & lockout issues then it's not going to happen overnight. OP would need to spend a lot of time, likely 30-60 days to revive those plants back to adequate health where they could be flowered. Reviving mature plants is hard enough for an experienced grower, let alone a novice who's lack of growing skills got them into this position in the first place. This would assume OP relearns everything and does it right going forward.

With all that being said, regardless if I'd personally cull the plants or not, I still provided OP with sound advice to correct the problems without culling. I listed out steps and instructions to get the plants back on the road to recovery. I didn't see many other people in the thread provide any insightful information like that whatsoever.

I'm going to interject my personal opinion again, so don't get offended....
I'd personally cull and start over.
There is a point of diminishing returns where one must determine if it's worth their time, money, and energy to take action. I never once said those plants can't come back with the right amount of TLC, but do you want to be the one responsible for that task on your dime? I personally wouldn't. The cost of electricity, nutrients, new pots, more soil, water, MY TIME, MY ENERGY, no I wouldn't want to be that person. Instead of spending the next two months "chasing deficiencies" as @gyuebed mentioned, I'd rather have fully vegged out healthy plants ready to flower without the headaches.

The one guy made a joke about shooting a dog with ticks.What I'd say to him is...

Dude, OP's problem is way different than that. I'd rephrase your statement to something like "would you spend $5,000 on surgery to make your 10 year old dog live 1 year longer?", because that statement rides the line of diminishing returns more than shooting a dog with ticks.

YOU have to determine value and worth, my beliefs may be different than yours. My time is valuable to me. I'd personally chalk it up as a loss, learn from the mistakes, and move forward.

But if you're determined to "fix" the problem, reference back to my original post in the thread as I don't see much of any other pieces of good information.

Could probably clone and save a couple weeks. If everything is good plants will grow back to the same height very shortly and since its a clone it will be mature through the whole process.