Government claims it owns children, threatens 2nd mom with jail

whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Singlemalt said:
I can't but for the introductory sum of $250.00 the link I posted can help ;) Be aware though, you may be forced to take a long leave of absence from your family
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I've researched this believe it or not. I can see how people buy into it.

Its a deep rabbit hole to go down.

Its based on the premise that we are vessels and the birthing process is in water.

The thing that gets me this is supposed to have happened because of the depression. Thing is the depression in the 30's was not the worst in history. Why didn't this happen in the late 1800' when the railroads crashed the economy?



The funny thing is the numbers on the back of a social security card are for the sole purpose of accounting for the paper the cards are printed on. We can't have blank as cards floating around. I had to order a new one and the numbers on the back were different.
 
Singlemalt

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whitebb2727 said:
I've researched this believe it or not. I can see how people buy into it.

Its a deep rabbit hole to go down.

Its based on the premise that we are vessels and the birthing process is in water.

The thing that gets me this is supposed to have happened because of the depression. Thing is the depression in the 30's was not the worst in history. Why didn't this happen in the late 1800' when the railroads crashed the economy?



The funny thing is the numbers on the back of a social security card are for the sole purpose of accounting for the paper the cards are printed on. We can't have blank as cards floating around. I had to order a new one and the numbers on the back were different.
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I found out about this about 6 months ago: my idiot sister sends me this 45 min Youtube thing on how we all have a secret account worth millions of dollars just because we were born!!! I said bullshit and in her typically idiotic way demands me to prove it's wrong, rather than use her own brain and question the basic premise
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Singlemalt said:
I found out about this about 6 months ago: my idiot sister sends me this 45 min Youtube thing on how we all have a secret account worth millions of dollars just because we were born!!! I said bullshit and in her typically idiotic way demands me to prove it's wrong, rather than use her own brain and question the basic premise
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I don't remember how I came across.



Oh. I do. It was something I saw on tv about social security. It got me interested in the different designs of the cards over the years and then I can across an article about it. I spent a few hours reading about it.
 
ChefKimbo

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Singlemalt said:
Which one?

I should tell you that the whole thing is really a scam; i.e. pay me and I'll show you how to get zillions of $$. Of course they don't tell you everything and you'll likely end up in prison.
https://www.snopes.com/birth-certificates-financial-accounts/
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Ahhh....you made a huge assumption about what i may or may not know about the birth certificate. Even though i only commented on the live birth record.
You like others were scammed because you refuse to do your own research. Otherwise you would know there is no money associated with those accounts that anyone can access at their own discretion they are U.S. property.
I`d like to know what about my comment on the contractual nature of the live birth record was false or humorous?
Do you have access to a law dictionary?
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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ChefKimbo said:
Ahhh....you made a huge assumption about what i may or may not know about the birth certificate. Even though i only commented on the live birth record.
You like others were scammed because you refuse to do your own research. Otherwise you would know there is no money associated with those accounts that anyone can access at their own discretion they are U.S. property.
I`d like to know what about my comment on the contractual nature of the live birth record was false or humorous?
Do you have access to a law dictionary?
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Could you tell how it works? Does the government make money off us?
 
Singlemalt

Singlemalt

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ChefKimbo said:
Ahhh....you made a huge assumption about what i may or may not know about the birth certificate. Even though i only commented on the live birth record.
You like others were scammed because you refuse to do your own research. Otherwise you would know there is no money associated with those accounts that anyone can access at their own discretion they are U.S. property.
I`d like to know what about my comment on the contractual nature of the live birth record was false or humorous?
Do you have access to a law dictionary?
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I wasn't scammed, my idiot sister was. I operate, and it has served me quite well, under the assumption that if it's too good to be true, it likely isn't true. I would have dismissed the whole thing until she(sister) activated an old family dynamic so I had to do the research to prove to her it was a scam. So, you were wrong on 3 assumptions.
 
ChefKimbo

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Singlemalt said:
I wasn't scammed, my idiot sister was. I operate, and it has served me quite well, under the assumption that if it's too good to be true, it likely isn't true. I would have dismissed the whole thing until she(sister) activated an old family dynamic so I had to do the research to prove to her it was a scam. So, you were wrong on 3 assumptions.
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You're skating away from the original point. And you refuse to answer my questions related to my earlier comment on the birth record. Sounds to me like you have not done enough research to debunk anything. Maybe your idiot sister is even still smarter than you, atleast her eyes are slightly open. You are still sound asleep, but atleast you know how to create strawman rebuttals lol. She(or YOU) just was scammed by the many who decide its easier to scam you then to keep trying to teach naysayers and the willfully ignorant.

Bottom line is, you were wrong implying that the goverment needs an ownership claim to take a child from their parents. What do you think custodial means? Parents never get their children back because they do not know how administrative process is implemented in family law and they cannot function without a social security card.
 
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Singlemalt

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ChefKimbo said:
You're skating away from the original point. And you refuse to answer my questions related to my earlier comment on the birth record. Sounds to me like you have not done enough research to debunk anything. Maybe your idiot sister is even still smarter than you, atleast her eyes are slightly open. You are still sound asleep, but atleast you know how to create strawman rebuttals lol. She(or YOU) just was scammed by the many who decide its easier to scam you then to keep trying to teach naysayers and the willfully ignorant.

Bottom line is, you were wrong implying that the goverment needs an ownership claim to take a child from their parents. What do you think custodial means? Parents never get their children back because they do not know how administrative process is implemented in family law and they cannot function without a social security card.
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I never said the gov't needed to establish ownership, and am well aware that gov't can assert custodial powers when necessary. I told the OP that unless the gov't did claim ownership, the OP was disingenuous to claim that the gov't claims to own children in the thread title. See, there is a fine subtlety vis language comprehension here that you are unable to grasp. I've been behaving with you and forgone insults and name calling; note that you have begun the insults.
 
ChefKimbo

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Singlemalt said:
I never said the gov't needed to establish ownership, and am well aware that gov't can assert custodial powers when necessary. I told the OP that unless the gov't did claim ownership, the OP was disingenuous to claim that the gov't claims to own children in the thread title. See, there is a fine subtlety vis language comprehension here that you are unable to grasp. I've been behaving with you and forgone insults and name calling; note that you have begun the insults.
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What are you talking about? Learn the subtle differences between "said" and "implied". The OP was not disingenuous in anyway, you fail to comprehend exactly HOW the government owns the children. You cant grasp the contractual nature of the birth record so you seem to think the government has to prove jurisdiction over the children before it acts. You LOLed my comment and assumed i had no clue wtf im talking about and could have possibly turned someone off from some information they might need. You have not done enough research and should apologize to your sister. The Government cannot claim custodial powers over its own property. That roll is strictly for trustees(parents). CUSTODIAN can NEVER be the OWNER. Thats not how the laws work. Gov't will not publically claim ownership of any child, its a public trust between your parents and the Gov't and you are the beneficiary. You get to eat, sleep, and shit. Do you know what it means to be a non custodial parent? Prolly not. Means you no longer have fiduciary duties to the welfare of the beneficiary. But why do non custodial parents have to pay for support. Because you signed some shit at the hospital and you didnt know what you were signing. But nevermind that im misbehaving and name calling lol. Geez you remind me of my ex.
 
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Singlemalt

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"Geez you remind me of my ex" LOL. Therein lies the crux, a bit bitter eh?. So, the Gov't "owns" us, but will never publically claim so; why not then? Because it violates the 13th amendment? So tell Mr Contractual lawyer, where is your JD from; did you pass the bar; has it done you any good? Are you a free sovereign or still chattel like the rest of us dumb shits? Or is your legal knowledge obtained through malcontent internet sites who've strung together legalese phrases, definitions and come to the conclusion they are correct and just as competent as any trained attorney? Cite cases where your crowd have actually won in court, exposing this gov't conspiracy. Then you can tell us that the earth is flat and the moon landing was bogus.
 
Singlemalt

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ChefKimbo said:
Actually id rather people like you stay in servitude. You refuse to address anything with validity and would rather conjure arguements of vanity. Literally would rather argue about something you admittedly know little about than to pick up a law dictionary or even read up on your states constitution. An attorney has to represent you because your to incompetent to present yourself. Why would anyone compare themselves to a BAR attorney? They only practice statutory law. Your ignorance is showing bigtime. How does the 13th Amendment apply to you? Have you even read the entire 13th Amendment? Not just the first two sections. Go ahead and try to explain that. Ill explain it. Your a fuckin idiot, so far gone i dont even know where to start. Go PAY for access to case law like i did and then maybe you could loosen the noose around your neck some. But i seriously doubt it.
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You are a fucking bitter clown; unlike you I don't have a need: my kids are grown, happy and self -supporting and they own themselves. I'm certainly not in need of free millions of imagined $$ the gov't fraudulently created to use me as collateral You my good person are getting very wound up, why? Because your self-proclaimed legal expertise is questioned? Are you that in need of validation? I note you as well fail to answer questions. Pot/kettle so suck eggs youngster
 
curious2garden

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ChefKimbo said:
Government does not have to assert an ownership claim, ownership is established at birth. At the signing of the live birth record the parents are given fiduciary responsibilities(custodial) in exchange for the LEGAL TITLE(DEED) of the newborn child. The child is then granted EQUITABLE TITLE in the form of social services.This is standard practice and in all cases the parents are pressumed to be aware of the contractual nature of the live birth record. This is why children can be taken without legal remedy due to aquiescence of ownership to the government.
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You spelled a few words wrong but I'm not here to quibble. Here's everything you need to know about a physician's (or other's) signature on a birth certificate
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/hb_birth.pdf

Consent, to be valid must be explicit, and informed. Without that caveat there is no legal consent. Essentially children born to parent(s) with US citizenship have certain rights and entitlements, parents have certain responsibilities. If parent's (and this is any parent residing on US soil irregardless of citizenship), do not meet their responsibilities to their child, custody can be suspended or severed and the state can then serve in loco parentis until other arrangements are made. This is not a step taken lightly and has to move through a juvenile or family court.

Children, are humans, and as such are not subject to deeds, that is a term for real estate or other property transactions. Ownership and traffic of humans in the U.S. ended with the 13th amendment.
 
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