Ok, so could I now that I have spent many hours reading about led's.
New to LED..couple questions
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Stone_Free
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I think you should consider 1 fact. All the growers on this site who are growing the kind of weed we would all like to consume are not using Kind products. That should tell you something straight away.
Do what GBAUTO said and explore what is being used by successful growers. You won't regret following the crowd.
nc208
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How the heck did you take what I wrote as an apology? Man some of you people make me wonder what your smoking.
This was the first word in your post "Sorry". No biggie, and I am smoking some good shit.
Johnny Lawrence
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Ha!
Budies 101
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Great! any questions and I'm sure I or others will be glad to help you out =D
Danielson999
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"the kind of weed we would all like to consume" refers to quality. There is no light being built on these forums or by Timber, HLG or any other vendor that grows a better 'quality' of weed than Kind LED or even Mars for that matter. Photons are photons. The "weed we would all like to consume" is grown through great genetics and grow skills, not your light.
One other thing, if someone was "following the crowd" they would be using a Kind LED. There are probably thousands upon thousands more Kind LED lights being used than there are cob lights or QB's.
There is nothing wrong with using Kind LED, Fluence or any other light manufacturer other than some offer a better value for the money. For example certain lights use better components that will last longer, be more efficient and have better warranties.
Stone_Free
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So spectrum has nothing to do with it? Quality/efficiency of diodes? Correct ratio of blue/red diodes.
If I have great genetics but a shitty light my results won't be as good as those same genetics grown under a decent quality light that has been tested using a PAR/PPFD meter, regardless of how good a growers skills are.
By "following the crowd" I meant the crowd here, using HLG, strips etc.
Sorry but that is clearly wrong. If it were true then any old cheap shit light would grow weed as well as HLG, Samsung/Bridgelux strips.
If I have great genetics but a shitty light my results won't be as good as those same genetics grown under a decent quality light that has been tested using a PAR/PPFD meter, regardless of how good a growers skills are.
By "following the crowd" I meant the crowd here, using HLG, strips etc.
Danielson999
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If you're growing using a shitty light you're an idiot and deserve garbage buds. If you use a light specifically made for growing marijuana (like Kind LED, Fluence, HLG quantum boards etc) then you will give yourself the best chance of growing good quality weed assuming you have good genetics and know how to grow.
Don't start bringing up spectrum and telling me using an incandescent bulb won't grow weed good so my reasoning is wrong. Stupid argument. Anyone could take some 3000K CFL bulbs and grow just as good quality bud than any light you can name.
What you stated was wrong. You stated that if he wanted to grow quality weed he should not use a Kind LED. People like you talking junk on the boards is useless for everyone. But feel free to keep digging yourself a deeper hole.
Stone_Free
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And you say I'm talking junk......
Lite
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running a single mars300. Thats how many I had to buy before i realized it was garbage.
Danielson999
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What I said is the truth. 90% of the quality of your weed is because of your genetics and growing skills. You can write that shit in stone if you want.
I definetly have had some of those, and wont hesitate. thks.
Budies 101
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Its a weird situation because while you are right you are also wrong. If I gave you really bad lights and also gave you top of the line lights you would see an incredible difference in your grow. Genetics are the most important to me because without the ability for the plant to be amazing it simply can't happen.
How I see it is Genetics for growing is #1 and everything else is #2... That being said without light the plant won't grow, without feed the plant won't grow, without water the plant won't grow... too high or low of temps and the plant won't grow.
You as a grower and the tools you have to work with will determine how much you can get the plant to express the genetics we want to see. 200watts of a Mars will not grow anywhere near what 200watts of high end cobs/QB's will do.
IMO a kinda sorta okish decent setup with high end lights and high end genetics will produce near/close to as good quality of bud with a mid level grower as a crazy setup with a master grower and the same genetics. If anything to me it's about the growers ability to deal with problems as they come up, do you recognize light burn, newt burn, spider mits, root aphids, pythium and so on earl, or later when more damage is done.
Danielson999
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What I said is not wrong in any way. Anybody growing weed will use a light that is meant for growing weed. Nobody is going to go out and buy incandescent bulbs for growing weed right? The reason that our lights are the least important part of our grow (for quality) is because all growers use lights that have most of the spectrum we require to grow our plants.
This isn't about 'how much' weed a light will grow, it's about quality. Your light will not make a difference on the quality of your bud. You can and will get great bud from any of the light technologies. The limiting factors are your genetics and your growing skills. PHOTONS ARE PHOTONS.
If you give identical plants the same amount of photons from cfl's, t5's, cobs, strips or hid's, you'll get basically identical quality bud every single time. Which is why I will say it again, photons are photons.
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Lite
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thats what I am saying, thats why I dont mind cheap chinese cobs if they perform as I wish. They are bright, my plants respond well, they are cheap, not much heat. Whatever works works, I am not gonna spend 500$+ on lights when i can have overkill for 350.
Danielson999
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And there are dozens of guys in this forum alone that use cheap Chinese cobs and have great success. The usual problem with cheap cobs (in pre-built lights) are that the company will use cheap drivers with them which is why so many Mars lights fail.
nc208
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It only looks like that if you ignore every other word I wrote. Geez your thick in the head. I don't consider meth to be good shit.
Lite
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Ah I get you. I just didnt appreciate the heavy load of poop that came at me for recommending this light to a beginner. i got a 2nd one of them off amazon today and its completely different. So they are NOT consistant, but they are bright as hell and they are actually pulling about 400watts each.