Democratic Voters Are Done with Party Centrists—and the Progressives Are a Majority

[Fogdog]

Nothing for labor unions?

How Obama has tilted the workplace for unions
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-obama-has-tilted-the-workplace-for-unions/article/2601330

Obama labor board flexes its muscles
Organized labor will have more to celebrate this Labor Day than in decades thanks to a string of recent victories.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/unions-barack-obama-labor-board-victories-213204

Obama’s Latest Lifeline for Unions
https://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-latest-lifeline-for-unions-1454371263

The Obama Administration Just Delivered Another Big Victory to Unions
http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/obama-unions/

Obama administration spends millions to push labor unions overseas
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/10/golden-hammer-obama-administration-spends-millions/

Nothing for homeowners: His Home Affordable Modification Program helped about 1.6 million borrowers lower their mortgage and stay in their home.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/business/dealbook/foreclosure-prevention-mortgage-lending.html

Bank Profits: Were better under Bush 1 and were only about average under Obama.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4012069-clinton-trump-presidents-bank-stocks-1980sminus-2016?page=2

Income Inequality:
The Income Gap Began To Narrow Under Obama
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-income-gap-began-to-narrow-under-obama/

As to your war stuff, I totally agree wars are shitty. Does it mean he's a Republican? Fuck no.

How about you explain something for me? Given that during the two years Hillary and Bernie overlapped in the Senate, Sanders co-sponsored 19 pieces of legislation that Clinton introduced, while Clinton signed on in support of seven Sanders bills. Vote studies from Congressional Quarterly find that Clinton voted with the Senate Democratic leadership 99 percent of the time in 2008 and 98 percent in 2007. For Sanders, the rate was 98 and 97 percent, respectively, during those two years.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/26/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-alike-426301.html

How in the fuck can you not see the differences between Obama and the republicans, but you see so much difference between Hillary and Bernard?

Oh yeah? Well if that's true then how come @ttystikk is still angry? Huh, how about that??????

 

[UncleBuck]

Nothing for labor unions?

How Obama has tilted the workplace for unions
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-obama-has-tilted-the-workplace-for-unions/article/2601330

Obama labor board flexes its muscles
Organized labor will have more to celebrate this Labor Day than in decades thanks to a string of recent victories.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/unions-barack-obama-labor-board-victories-213204

Obama’s Latest Lifeline for Unions
https://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-latest-lifeline-for-unions-1454371263

The Obama Administration Just Delivered Another Big Victory to Unions
http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/obama-unions/

Obama administration spends millions to push labor unions overseas
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/10/golden-hammer-obama-administration-spends-millions/

Nothing for homeowners: His Home Affordable Modification Program helped about 1.6 million borrowers lower their mortgage and stay in their home.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/business/dealbook/foreclosure-prevention-mortgage-lending.html

Bank Profits: Were better under Bush 1 and were only about average under Obama.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4012069-clinton-trump-presidents-bank-stocks-1980sminus-2016?page=2

Income Inequality:
The Income Gap Began To Narrow Under Obama
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-income-gap-began-to-narrow-under-obama/

As to your war stuff, I totally agree wars are shitty. Does it mean he's a Republican? Fuck no.

How about you explain something for me? Given that during the two years Hillary and Bernie overlapped in the Senate, Sanders co-sponsored 19 pieces of legislation that Clinton introduced, while Clinton signed on in support of seven Sanders bills. Vote studies from Congressional Quarterly find that Clinton voted with the Senate Democratic leadership 99 percent of the time in 2008 and 98 percent in 2007. For Sanders, the rate was 98 and 97 percent, respectively, during those two years.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/26/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-alike-426301.html

How in the fuck can you not see the differences between Obama and the republicans, but you see so much difference between Hillary and Bernard?

maybe he is of the newt gingrich school of thought on this?


"The average American — I'll bet you this morning — does not think crime is down, does not think they are safer."

"But we are safer and it is down"

"No, That's your view. What I said is also a fact. The current view is that liberals have a whole set of statistics that theoretically might be right, but it's not where human beings are."

 

[Fogdog]

maybe he is of the newt gingrich school of thought on this?


"The average American — I'll bet you this morning — does not think crime is down, does not think they are safer."

"But we are safer and it is down"

"No, That's your view. What I said is also a fact. The current view is that liberals have a whole set of statistics that theoretically might be right, but it's not where human beings are."

The inverse of "A fact doesn't have to be true for it to be believed"

Maybe the Gingrich cognitive contradiction is
"A belief doesn't have to be true for it to be accepted as fact."

 

[SneekyNinja]

Newt is such a retarded name.

It's only slightly more retarded that Ted Cruz saying "now isn't the time to talk about gun control" after our latest massacre.

 

[ttystikk]

its a conspiracy. Your go to when you have nothing to say.

Ah, so it's okay with you that our country rewards the thieves and throws hardworking citizens of of their own homes?

Your morality is highly questionable.

 

[ttystikk]

Nothing for labor unions?

How Obama has tilted the workplace for unions
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-obama-has-tilted-the-workplace-for-unions/article/2601330

Obama labor board flexes its muscles
Organized labor will have more to celebrate this Labor Day than in decades thanks to a string of recent victories.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/unions-barack-obama-labor-board-victories-213204

Obama’s Latest Lifeline for Unions
https://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-latest-lifeline-for-unions-1454371263

The Obama Administration Just Delivered Another Big Victory to Unions
http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/obama-unions/

Obama administration spends millions to push labor unions overseas
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/10/golden-hammer-obama-administration-spends-millions/

Nothing for homeowners: His Home Affordable Modification Program helped about 1.6 million borrowers lower their mortgage and stay in their home.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/business/dealbook/foreclosure-prevention-mortgage-lending.html

Bank Profits: Were better under Bush 1 and were only about average under Obama.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4012069-clinton-trump-presidents-bank-stocks-1980sminus-2016?page=2

Income Inequality:
The Income Gap Began To Narrow Under Obama
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-income-gap-began-to-narrow-under-obama/

As to your war stuff, I totally agree wars are shitty. Does it mean he's a Republican? Fuck no.

How about you explain something for me? Given that during the two years Hillary and Bernie overlapped in the Senate, Sanders co-sponsored 19 pieces of legislation that Clinton introduced, while Clinton signed on in support of seven Sanders bills. Vote studies from Congressional Quarterly find that Clinton voted with the Senate Democratic leadership 99 percent of the time in 2008 and 98 percent in 2007. For Sanders, the rate was 98 and 97 percent, respectively, during those two years.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/26/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-alike-426301.html

How in the fuck can you not see the differences between Obama and the republicans, but you see so much difference between Hillary and Bernard?

No one is defending Republicans so I'm concentrating on the sittings if Democrats.

Most of those rules you cited we very weak 'victories' and certainly do not hold up against the big gains made by Republicans.

Net shift- to the right.

 

[UncleBuck]

No one is defending Republicans so I'm concentrating on the sittings if Democrats.

Most of those rules you cited we very weak 'victories' and certainly do not hold up against the big gains made by Republicans.

Net shift- to the right.

from "nothing" to "not enough".

goalpost change spotted.

 

[ttystikk]

from "nothing" to "not enough".

goalpost change spotted.

Did Mr Obama actually see Union membership rise? Were there more Union States under his watch? No, the net change was still towards more outsourcing and greater income inequality.

Spotted; Deck chairs on Titanic rearranged.

 

[UncleBuck]

Did Mr Obama actually see Union membership rise? Were there more Union States under his watch? No, the net change was still towards more outsourcing and greater income inequality.

Spotted; Deck chairs on Titanic rearranged.

travisw handed you your ass and you are changing the goalposts now. just deal with the fact that you are wrong. you should be used to it by now.

 

[ttystikk]

travisw handed you your ass and you are changing the goalposts now. just deal with the fact that you are wrong. you should be used to it by now.

Having looked through the links, those were all very small and weak victories that did nothing to change the overall landscape.

Decks chairs on the Titanic.

 

[ttystikk]

Democratic primaries rigged? Even Joe Scarborough agrees and is posting the evidence;

Not a new clip, but he asks a fair question; if voters go for one candidate by a 12 point margin but the party awards the other candidate most of the delegates, why even bother with voting booths?

 

[UncleBuck]

cool youtube video. those are always good sources of info

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Nothing for labor unions?

How Obama has tilted the workplace for unions
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-obama-has-tilted-the-workplace-for-unions/article/2601330

Obama labor board flexes its muscles
Organized labor will have more to celebrate this Labor Day than in decades thanks to a string of recent victories.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/unions-barack-obama-labor-board-victories-213204

Obama’s Latest Lifeline for Unions
https://www.wsj.com/articles/obamas-latest-lifeline-for-unions-1454371263

The Obama Administration Just Delivered Another Big Victory to Unions
http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/obama-unions/

Obama administration spends millions to push labor unions overseas
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/10/golden-hammer-obama-administration-spends-millions/

Nothing for homeowners: His Home Affordable Modification Program helped about 1.6 million borrowers lower their mortgage and stay in their home.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/business/dealbook/foreclosure-prevention-mortgage-lending.html

Bank Profits: Were better under Bush 1 and were only about average under Obama.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4012069-clinton-trump-presidents-bank-stocks-1980sminus-2016?page=2

Income Inequality:
The Income Gap Began To Narrow Under Obama
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-income-gap-began-to-narrow-under-obama/

As to your war stuff, I totally agree wars are shitty. Does it mean he's a Republican? Fuck no.

How about you explain something for me? Given that during the two years Hillary and Bernie overlapped in the Senate, Sanders co-sponsored 19 pieces of legislation that Clinton introduced, while Clinton signed on in support of seven Sanders bills. Vote studies from Congressional Quarterly find that Clinton voted with the Senate Democratic leadership 99 percent of the time in 2008 and 98 percent in 2007. For Sanders, the rate was 98 and 97 percent, respectively, during those two years.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/26/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-alike-426301.html

How in the fuck can you not see the differences between Obama and the republicans, but you see so much difference between Hillary and Bernard?

I had 9 Obama signs in my yard going down an 1/8th mile hill along the road in '08 and '12.

3 of them provided by the USWA where I was a member.

I was never unhappy with Obama. If it wasn't for the 22nd amendment, he'd still be president and we'd still have respect in the world.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Democratic primaries rigged? Even Joe Scarborough agrees and is posting the evidence;

Not a new clip, but he asks a fair question; if voters go for one candidate by a 12 point margin but the party awards the other candidate most of the delegates, why even bother with voting booths?

Wtf shit are you talking now?

Hillary won the voters and the delegates.

Cry some more, bitch.

 

[UncleBuck]

Wtf shit are you talking now?

Hillary won the voters and the delegates.

Cry some more, bitch.

and she never complained in 2008 when she got more votes but lost due to superdelegates. she dropped out right away, endorsed obama, and unified the party immediately.

bernie held on to the bitter end giving his believers false hope. didn't concede until right before hillary took the stage and accepted the nomination.

 

[ttystikk]

cool youtube video. those are always good sources of info

Cool response.
Empty.
Vacuous.
Exactly what we've come to expect from you.

 

[ttystikk]

Wtf shit are you talking now?

Hillary won the voters and the delegates.

Cry some more, bitch.

Either you didn't watch it you can't count.

To recap; Bernie won the Wyoming primary 56% to 44%, that's a margin of 12 points- I did that because you're clearly math challenged.

The total of Wyoming Democratic delegates is 18; 11 for Hillary and 7 for Bernie.

This scenario was not limited to Wyoming's Democratic primary.

So why bother holding a vote?

I'm sure you'll either;

1. Tell us why that isn't rigged
2. Change the subject
3. Question my love life
4. Bring up an irrelevant point

 

[ttystikk]

and she never complained in 2008 when she got more votes but lost due to superdelegates. she dropped out right away, endorsed obama, and unified the party immediately.

bernie held on to the bitter end giving his believers false hope. didn't concede until right before hillary took the stage and accepted the nomination.

What the fuck are you talking about? When Bernie lost, he endorsed Hillary and went on a nationwide tour to promote her candidacy.

In point of fact, more Bernie supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters went for Obama in 2008.

So you're lying, stupid and love to rewrite history. At least that makes you a good American!

 

[Justin-case]

What the fuck are you talking about? When Bernie lost, he endorsed Hillary and went on a nationwide tour to promote her candidacy.

In point of fact, more Bernie supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters went for Obama in 2008.

So you're lying, stupid and love to rewrite history. At least that makes you a good American!

Why do you idiots keep bringing this up? It only speaks to the hideous nature of Trump and his campaign rather than the faithfulness of 2008 Hillary voters. How many red states that Hillary won in the 08' primary flipped red for mcain in the general?

 

[Fogdog]

Ah, so it's okay with you that our country rewards the thieves and throws hardworking citizens of of their own homes?

Your morality is highly questionable.

This is where you'd say Strawman

LOL

This is where I say naive.

2009-2010 were watershed years when in the 4 months and 1 week that Democrats had veto proof control of congress and the white house, the progressive congress passed 34 pieces of legislation that are still benefiting Americans to this day.

Since then, Republicans have either been entirely in control of congress or in control of the house with veto power in the senate.

The Dodd-Frank bill that you so vociferously complain about is also hated by the financial industry because it prevents them from the rapacious acts they committed leading up to the great recession. You will soon get your wish that the Dodd-Frank bill be eliminated.