24 hour light vs. 18/6.

since1991

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"Offsetting this via temp variance"...good stuff. And its key. Has to do with temp differential night/day variance and build up of phytochrome. Not necessarily short day nor c3 plants. Good post.
 

ANC

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Very few people have perfect climate control, so expecting them to offset anything is a shot in the dark.
If you require the most of your plants, you will use professional grade thermal and humidity sensors and automation.
The big guys don't accept anything over a fraction of a centigrade drift. Something like an ordinary airconditioner, has a very fuzzy thermostat/hygrostat, as it has to wait for the rest of the room/house to catch up with the temperature close to the appliance.

I am busy designing a 1 plant, 1 light grow tube, it is easier (less costly) to set up perfect conditions in a small space with less light waste than doing a tent or a room.
 

since1991

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Very few people have perfect climate control, so expecting them to offset anything is a shot in the dark.
If you require the most of your plants, you will use professional grade thermal and humidity sensors and automation.
The big guys don't accept anything over a fraction of a centigrade drift. Something like an ordinary airconditioner, has a very fuzzy thermostat/hygrostat, as it has to wait for the rest of the room/house to catch up with the temperature close to the appliance.

I am busy designing a 1 plant, 1 light grow tube, it is easier (less costly) to set up perfect conditions in a small space with less light waste than doing a tent or a room.
Since I went sealed with a mini split..sante fe dehuey..Gavita doubles. I have way more control. I can set these appliances down to a 2 to 5 increment number in temp and rh. And its awesome how much control i actually have. Basically...I dont care the medium substrate (coco or wool) nor the fert/nute regimen. What determines my output with cultivars Iam playing with is plant numbers to canopy/net trellis management. Iam trying to hit 25 to 32 zips per Gavita 6/750. And doing it isnt easy despite claims. Consistently anyways. Per 4x4 I need only 6 to 9 with an easy peasy like Dream. She just gives it up with little effort. But something og kush like..I need easily double..and with multiple top training poking through the a double trellis.
 
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ANC

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What determines my output with cultivars Iam playing with is plant numbers to canopy/net trellis management.
This, very much.

Even more important when doing a COB grow.
Our two grow beds equal only 24.6x4' but there are about 90 plants in there.

I want to cry when I see people display their COB grow rooms with 4' tall plants standing around with light being wasted. ours are nearly done flowering and they are about knee height.
 
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TheHero

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Not going to argue the 24/0 guys, just want to point out a few facts.

24/0 alters the plant’s metabolic processes. They will acclimate to the constant light, but detrimental to overall development. After 8 day’s of 24/0, starch buildup VS chlorophyll degradation begins. Offsetting this via temp variance does not negate the time needed to “reaclimate” to dark periods, which means delayed flowering due to chlorosis/slowed ratemof photosynthesis.

Are we trying to increase vegetation weight via starch/sugar buildup, or are we preparing for bloom? This depends on the grower, their regimen, knowledge, and goals.
So, if I run a cool LED COB setup on low wattafge, does this affect my plants as well (24/0)? Should 24/0 be used for mother plant?

Another question, is it any good - I grow seedling now under one COB and I change lights intensity up to 6 times a day, whenever I pass by that box, I just play a little with that dimmer. Maybe it stresses plants out? I had a stunt grow at start but I thought it was because of too wet soil/coco tablets and too much nutes added to soil.
 

Galwaith

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I like 24 for the first couple weeks, then I will notice that the plants just don't seem as vigorous, almost "tired", they will get this look of dehydration even though you water them. Then I will switch to 18 and 6 and the next day the leaves are all happy and standing up and seem well rested. Then from there about 2 weeks til they start putting out pre-mie flowers, once they do, into flowering.
 
Without facts about my grow, it is presumptuous to claim you have more crop per year than I do. I've Been growing long enough for a kid to be born and out of college,and 6 years of Biology studies (Masters), to know I don't need to do all that seeding, sexing and jumping through hoops, old school stuff when my need for speedy crops are met with feminized seeds and a great seed source for all my practical purposes. In fact, my harvest cycle is down packed to a timely crop, I can't handle any faster.

One thing I can guarantee you is that when it comes to plant biology, with no science in your closet, you are navigating an ocean without a compass and though you might "hit land" based on hearsay science and blind luck, your efforts will always be infantile, like a child in a "sandbox"

If fucking around, and puttering with the idea that you are a master Gardner / cannabis Geneticist based on lay science and without cracking a botany / genetics book or reading peer review research on Cannabis Botany and cellular Biology gets you excited, then that's your thing. But forget the notion of your expertise.

Plant science, is almost exhaustive in the 21st century, and BIG BRAINS doing heavy cannabis research as we speak. It would be self defeating to thump your chest without a clue of the science and claim you are good at it or that you even understand it.
What’s the best book for inexperienced gardeners to start with ?
 

Serverchris

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This, very much.

Even more important when doing a COB grow.
Our two grow beds equal only 24.6x4' but there are about 90 plants in there.

I want to cry when I see people display their COB grow rooms with 4' tall plants standing around with light being wasted. ours are nearly done flowering and they are about knee height.
Does it really matter how tall they are if you cut off everything on the lower end of the plant and all the growth tips are within ideal distance from the light?
 

Kushash

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What’s the best book for inexperienced gardeners to start with ?
The person you are asking hasn't been around since 2016.

Here are two popular cannabis grow books if this is what you are looking for.

Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible
or
Marijuana Grower's Handbook by Ed Rosenthal
 

ANC

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Anywhere you are running large numbers...
You can't afford 10 or 20% of your plants to not conform to the standard when you are doing acherages.

Lots of people doing hemp are still getting bitten like that.
 

pollen205

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Can I go 24/0 first 2-3 weeks...its Crazy Cold Light give me 5-6 c +
I put heater in front od tent AND hummidity go bellow 40% and top od the soil is drying fast do when AND how often water with 24/0
 

mismos00

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Got to put the plants to bed , if i dont they get out of their pots and run around the fucking room .

:bigjoint::shock:
Many living things don't sleep or take a down period, including mammals. Some animals rest half their brains while the other is awake. Some living things rest/sleep during the day, or both! I've heard of guys like this that want to simulate the moon cycles in their grow rooms and make sure the constellations are facing the right pole. Nature isn't as simple and fragile as that.
 

Budzbuddha

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I don’t follow moons or Uranus....

Plants have a circadian rhythm as do other forms of life. They take the energy gathered from their day absorbing light to power photosynthesis. So when the night comes , the plants METABOLIZE and grow.

So , I guess in the world we live in , with day and night .... So plants don’t do this in outdoor settings according to you .... the whole idea of an INDOOR GROW is to “ simulate and or recreate “ the plants “ natural “ environment that it is hard wired to grow in.
 

curious2garden

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Can I go 24/0 first 2-3 weeks...its Crazy Cold Light give me 5-6 c +
I put heater in front od tent AND hummidity go bellow 40% and top od the soil is drying fast do when AND how often water with 24/0
Of course you can but your plants won't benefit from it. If you are using your light to heat, then cover your plants.

Here's the science
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1075536/

Cannabis is a C3 plant, to over simplify, they inhale in the light and exhale in the dark. So they need some time out of the light.
 

pollen205

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Of course you can but your plants won't benefit from it. If you are using your light to heat, then cover your plants.

Here's the science
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1075536/

Cannabis is a C3 plant, to over simplify, they inhale in the light and exhale in the dark. So they need some time out of the light.
I read on many source that Plant will be stronger and bigger with 24:0 so that is not true...
 
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