Study: Hillary Clinton’s TV ads were almost entirely policy-free

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Could you clarify what you mean by that?

By embracing a progressive economic message, it encompasses socially liberal solutions that primarily affect minorities and the most disadvantaged. By demanding a $15 minimum wage, it benefits minorities and poor people the most. So when someone makes the claim that supporting economic solutions that raise the wages of minorities doesn't affect the issue of racism, tell them they're demonstrably wrong

Like what? What are the unsubstantiated "right wing lies" I levied against Clinton during the campaign? Cite at least a couple examples.

Universal healthcare, universal college, a $15/hour minimum wage.. all new

The agenda promoted by Sanders supporters encompasses racial justice and womens rights. That's why there are more Justice Democrats who are women and POC than white males. How can one claim Sanders supporters are "downplaying racial justice policies" by supporting more women of color than white men?

I've asked you repeatedly what you believe is sufficient to stifle racism. The only thing you've come up with so far is what ultimately amounts to restricting free speech, citing Germany as an example without explaining how to transition from the 1st amendment in America to a kind of German alternative that would be successful in the kind of melting pot society that we have that Germany doesn't

Clinton supporters are the ones unwilling to work with other people to achieve common goals. The left is already unified under common goals

Example(s)?

Democrats were corrupt in 2016 during the Democratic primary. Democrats like Feinstein don't support universal healthcare, according to her own words.. The election was rigged according to the head of the DNC..

No shit, pointing out how the Democratic establishment has corrupted the party is harmful to the cause of stopping Trump. Stop corrupting the party you fucking asshat. Us pointing out how you've corrupted the party is not what's corrupting the party. YOU CORRUPTING THE FUCKING PARTY IS WHAT HAS CORRUPTED THE PARTY!

You gave Republicans something to point to and say "See, they're just as corrupt as us!"
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I'm not interested in your made up shit. Go back to your porn.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Cant argue substance, revert to personal attacks..

Pathetic as fuck
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We've gone round and round. You keep repeating your shit, I keep susbtantively refuting it. You don't even understand the difference between an opinion poll and a survey-study. You don't even understand your IRA, how in heavens can I possibly discuss the issues of fiat nationwide $15 minimum wage? The list goes on and on. I don't have any interest in talking policy with you, ignorant, naive child. I'll see you at the election polls next year, where the Democratic Party will do well, including some of your kind of progressives.

I don't disagree with Sanders, I disagree with you. You don't even agree with Sanders, naive child.

Kick sjw to the curb, join mens rights group, drool over bdsm porn where, I'm sure women tape assholes open for whatever, in other words objectify women as three holes then brag about diversity.
 
legalcanada

legalcanada

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because hillary was never supposed to win. the entire election campaign was a charade to convince enough stupid people that trumps win was some under dog victory and not preplanned for many years. and it worked. they really think they affected the outcome of the election with their stupid memes. lolsers
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
You've not refuted a single thing I've said. That's why you have to resort to personal attacks. People with substance don't have to resort to personal attacks to make their point
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We've gone round and round. I'm saying I have no interest in going over them all over again. I explained that you are a phoney progressive who objectifies women, insults gay men, denies the need for civil, politically correct dialogue, talks about issues you can't understand and brags about diversity. You are not only saying nothing you are a fake.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
We've gone round and round. I'm saying I have no interest in going over them all over again.
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Why do you continuously quote my posts?
Fogdog said:
I explained that you are a phoney progressive who objectifies women,
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False
Fogdog said:
insults gay men
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False
Fogdog said:
denies the need for civil, politically correct dialogue
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That's rich! I'm the one that denies the need for civil dialogue??? You and you and your ilk are incapable of responding to a post without resorting to completely uncivilized tactics and language
Fogdog said:
talks about issues you can't understand
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Like what? Examples?
Fogdog said:
brags about diversity
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Justice Democrats has more POC and women than white men, that's just a fact that destroys your narrative about "objectifying women", misogyny, and racism
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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I told you, I have no interest in discussing anything with you. In fact, you barged in on a discussion I was having with somebody else. If you had been civil and interesting I would have been glad to talk. Instead, you stuck your ugly mug in my face and started disagreeing.

We've already talked and you are not listening nor saying something of interest or even true.

No need to reply.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
You have to keep things extremely simple for that guy. Nuances are always his weak point. I was going to step in there but your argument covers it. Still, he won't understand.
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I thought about what you said and totally agree. It pissed me off. Not you but the idea. We don't have to keep things extremely simple for him. He's not listening anyway and why should we? If he didn't understand, he could ask questions but he isn't here to learn, he's here to tell us what's what. Yet he doesn't know anything. Way too obvious from our discussion in this thread that he's not even trying to understand.

So, no. I'm not going to try to make a 14 page paper simple for him. I'll be glad to answer questions or debate points in it but I'm not going to try to simplify complex analysis for him. The author has already done a masterful effort to explain. Pad's not worth the effort.
 
PCXV

PCXV

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Padawanbater2 said:
Could you clarify what you mean by that?
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Both you are fogdog think the other is working in favor of Republicans. When you damage the Democratic party over something petty, like Hillary being the shoe-in for president, I tend to agree with fogdog. Hillary isn't nearly as perverted and corrupt as 99% of Republicans. It's bad political strategy to divide your own party. It is poor party discipline. We play by the rules (CU), and we slowly work towards a meaningful and sure change. The democrats will continue to trend towards progressive ideology if and only if the arguments keep being made and won. No change will come if either side refuses to cooperate.


By embracing a progressive economic message, it encompasses socially liberal solutions that primarily affect minorities and the most disadvantaged. By demanding a $15 minimum wage, it benefits minorities and poor people the most. So when someone makes the claim that supporting economic solutions that raise the wages of minorities doesn't affect the issue of racism, tell them they're demonstrably wrong.
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It would help a little but it is only one piece of the puzzle. You may have a good idea but it's just not a great selling idea as to resolving race relations.

Universal healthcare, universal college, a $15/hour minimum wage.. all new
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Are they though? The rest of the developed world has done it, we watched them do it. People have been fighting for those ideas for decades. Many of them are part of the Democratic party. If they could have forced it on people they would have, but it's going to take a lot of work to convince those indoctrinated against it and the money against it. Part of that work is playing that small roll in that big election and making sure the much greater evil doesn't come into power.
 
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schuylaar

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PCXV said:


Both you are fogdog think the other is working in favor of Republicans. When you damage the Democratic party over something petty, like Hillary being the shoe-in for president, I tend to agree with fogdog. Hillary isn't nearly as perverted and corrupt as 99% of Republicans. It's bad political strategy to divide your own party. It is poor party discipline. We play by the rules (CU), and we slowly work towards a meaningful and sure change. The democrats will continue to trend towards progressive ideology if and only if the arguments keep being made and won. No change will come if either side refuses to cooperate.




It would help a little but it is only one piece of the puzzle. You may have a good idea but it's just not a great selling idea as to resolving race relations.



Are they though? The rest of the developed world has done it, we watched them do it. People have been fighting for those ideas for decades. Many of them are part of the Democratic party. If they could have forced it on people they would have, but it's going to take a lot of work to convince those indoctrinated against it and the money against it. Part of that work is playing that small roll in that big election and making sure the much greater evil doesn't come into power.
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you're wrong. our country has very special thoughts and actions when it comes to religion, freedom and racial decay. the current climate in the millenium of the white man rules, how can we not feel this is as close to nazi germany as we've become since the end of that war?

we are unlike anyone else because of how we came to be; comparison to any other country is futile.
 
PCXV

PCXV

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schuylaar said:
you're wrong. our country has very special thoughts and actions when it comes to religion, freedom and racial decay. the current climate in the millenium of the white man rules, how can we not feel this is as close to nazi germany as we've become since the end of that war?

we are unlike anyone else because of how we came to be; comparison to any other country is futile.
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I can't quite decipher what you are trying to say.

What part of your post challenges the post you quoted? There is obviously a historically strong opposition to progressivism.

How can you say we cannot compare ourselves to other Countries right after you compare us to Nazi Germany?

OK let's compare to Nazi Germany: Even THEY overcame their history of conservative dogma and are now 10x more progressive than the US. If they can do it, maybe there is hope for us yet!
 
SneekyNinja

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PCXV said:
I can't quite decipher what you are trying to say.

What part of your post challenges the post you quoted? There is obviously a historically strong opposition to progressivism.

How can you say we cannot compare ourselves to other Countries right after you compare us to Nazi Germany?

OK let's compare to Nazi Germany: Even THEY overcame their history of conservative dogma and are now 10x more progressive than the US. If they can do it, maybe there is hope for us yet!
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We helped them overcome it...

With bombs and bullets :D
 
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