What's your dream car?

jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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ttystikk said:
Do you have any idea how many articles have been written about the 'imminent demise' of Amazon?

Uber is on much shakier ground and its investors are still shoveling money into that fucking Ponzi scheme by the shovelful...
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Not the same, like lutz says, Tesla has no "secret sauce", tons of competition and mountains of debt. Don't get me wrong, I want to see him succeed but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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jonsnow399 said:
Not the same, like lutz says, Tesla has no "secret sauce", tons of competition and mountains of debt. Don't get me wrong, I want to see him succeed but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Lutz has missed Musk's use of his technology across different industries.

Tesla is the world's lowest cost producer of lithium ion batteries. That's a pretty special sauce considering the future direction of transportation.

GM didn't just complete a 100MWh battery plant in Australia. GM doesn't hold 30% of the over $100k auto market.

In fact, GM isn't doing very well at selling anything but gas guzzling behemoths, which will be the millstone that will sink them during the next oil shock... which is coming soon, if the Shitgibbon in the Oval Orifice gets his way.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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ttystikk said:
Lutz has missed Musk's use of his technology across different industries.

Tesla is the world's lowest cost producer of lithium ion batteries. That's a pretty special sauce considering the future direction of transportation.

GM didn't just complete a 100MWh battery plant in Australia. GM doesn't hold 30% of the over $100k auto market.

In fact, GM isn't doing very well at selling anything but gas guzzling behemoths, which will be the millstone that will sink them during the next oil shock... which is coming soon, if the Shitgibbon in the Oval Orifice gets his way.
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Lutz says GM batteries are as good or better and lower cost.
"There is no secret sauce in Tesla. They use the same lithium-ion batteries as everybody else."

In fact, he thinks GM might even have an advantage because its batteries are arguably more capable and lower cost.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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jonsnow399 said:
Lutz says GM batteries are as good or better and lower cost.
"There is no secret sauce in Tesla. They use the same lithium-ion batteries as everybody else."

In fact, he thinks GM might even have an advantage because its batteries are arguably more capable and lower cost.
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Tesla has the world's newest and biggest battery factory. I find it hard to believe that GM can source them for less. If they could, wouldn't they be selling more cars with them?

And he's also wrong; Toyota hybrids have been using nickel metal hydride batteries for years.

Never believe the salesman without double checking the facts.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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ttystikk said:
Tesla has the world's newest and biggest battery factory. I find it hard to believe that GM can source them for less. If they could, wouldn't they be selling more cars with them?

And he's also wrong; Toyota hybrids have been using nickel metal hydride batteries for years.

Never believe the salesman without double checking the facts.
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I never said i believed him, I don't believe Tesla without double checking him either. Since I have no stock in Tesla or tesla vehicle or intention to buy one in the future, I'm to lazy to research it further.:mrgreen:
 
WeedFreak78

WeedFreak78

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I can't buy anything I'd really want, so I've been working on building one like this the last few years, but mine isn't this nice... yet.


1979 F250 4x4 Supercab. It's getting a 12V Cummins, 5 speed, Dana 60 front, Dana 80 rear, 4.10 gears, 99-04 Super duty front springs and I'm setting it up with the rear springs off a 2008+ f350. Will be riding on a 35/36" tire. Eventually it'll have on board air, lockers, air bags in the rear and a couple winches. It's going to be my tow rig/ SHTF machine.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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jonsnow399 said:
I never said i believed him, I don't believe Tesla without double checking him either. Since I have no stock in Tesla or tesla vehicle or intention to buy one in the future, I'm to lazy to research it further.:mrgreen:
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Tesla has a tough road ahead of it. It doesn't have any advantages in terms of building cars relative to the rest of the industry and I just read an article last night that discussed Tesla's troubles manufacturing batteries in large enough quantities for large scale auto production.

It's been enough bad publicity to push the stock down of late.

I'm going to say this is indicative of two things;
One, teething problems. Any new manufacturer is going to go through it. There's a thousand reasons and a million details and Mr Musk is learning that the hard way. It's a natural part of the process.

Two; natural or not, teething can still easily kill a new business, especially in an established industry loaded with highly competent players. He either gets his shit sorted out in a hurry or he'll be history, just like Tucker.

I'm still rooting for Tesla; the world needs innovators and the products they bring. GM and other established industry manufacturers certainly haven't been very willing to make the kind of commitments necessary to bring new technology to the car market.

That said, I don't think the stock price accurately reflects either the current value of the future potential of the company. It's hyped up way too much. Ford and GM stocks have comparatively low valuations and they're both profitable companies.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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ttystikk said:
Tesla has a tough road ahead of it. It doesn't have any advantages in terms of building cars relative to the rest of the industry and I just read an article last night that discussed Tesla's troubles manufacturing batteries in large enough quantities for large scale auto production.

It's been enough bad publicity to push the stock down of late.

I'm going to say this is indicative of two things;
One, teething problems. Any new manufacturer is going to go through it. There's a thousand reasons and a million details and Mr Musk is learning that the hard way. It's a natural part of the process.

Two; natural or not, teething can still easily kill a new business, especially in an established industry loaded with highly competent players. He either gets his shit sorted out in a hurry or he'll be history, just like Tucker.

I'm still rooting for Tesla; the world needs innovators and the products they bring. GM and other established industry manufacturers certainly haven't been very willing to make the kind of commitments necessary to bring new technology to the car market.

That said, I don't think the stock price accurately reflects either the current value of the future potential of the company. It's hyped up way too much. Ford and GM stocks have comparatively low valuations and they're both profitable companies.
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Another problem I see is focus, he reminds me of me! I don't have his genius, but he jumps from one project to another without finishing it. Cars, batteries, hypertubes, semi's etc.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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WeedFreak78 said:
I can't buy anything I'd really want, so I've been working on building one like this the last few years, but mine isn't this nice... yet.


1979 F250 4x4 Supercab. It's getting a 12V Cummins, 5 speed, Dana 60 front, Dana 80 rear, 4.10 gears, 99-04 Super duty front springs and I'm setting it up with the rear springs off a 2008+ f350. Will be riding on a 35/36" tire. Eventually it'll have on board air, lockers, air bags in the rear and a couple winches. It's going to be my tow rig/ SHTF machine.
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Scrap the Cummins, replace with one of these on each wheel for a total of 1400 hp.
https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/siemens-unveils-260-kw-electric-aircraft-motor
 
doublejj

doublejj

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ttystikk said:
Tesla has a tough road ahead of it. It doesn't have any advantages in terms of building cars relative to the rest of the industry and I just read an article last night that discussed Tesla's troubles manufacturing batteries in large enough quantities for large scale auto production.

It's been enough bad publicity to push the stock down of late.

I'm going to say this is indicative of two things;
One, teething problems. Any new manufacturer is going to go through it. There's a thousand reasons and a million details and Mr Musk is learning that the hard way. It's a natural part of the process.

Two; natural or not, teething can still easily kill a new business, especially in an established industry loaded with highly competent players. He either gets his shit sorted out in a hurry or he'll be history, just like Tucker.

I'm still rooting for Tesla; the world needs innovators and the products they bring. GM and other established industry manufacturers certainly haven't been very willing to make the kind of commitments necessary to bring new technology to the car market.

That said, I don't think the stock price accurately reflects either the current value of the future potential of the company. It's hyped up way too much. Ford and GM stocks have comparatively low valuations and they're both profitable companies.
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Tesla at the LA Auto show.......
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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jonsnow399 said:
Another problem I see is focus, he reminds me of me! I don't have his genius, but he jumps from one project to another without finishing it. Cars, batteries, hypertubes, semi's etc.
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It's both a product of ADHD and deliberate distraction.

The truck is a hot mess; the center seating position is ample evidence that neither he nor anyone else on the design team ever actually had a conversation with a real trucker.

The roadster 2 is pure distraction tactics.
 
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