Functional illiteracy in America

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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rkymtnman said:
Thanks again for being a generous member of society. We the people appreciate it from the bottom of our hearts.
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Well, you're welcome. Of course, I can only speak for myself and don't assume I can speak on behalf of others with or without their consent.

Interesting how you think a relationship which begins with assumed consent (or else) as part of its existence can then be equated with charity. How is it that if you or I formed our relationships on the basis of force it would be bad, but if a group of people who deigns themselves your superiors do it, it's now an acceptable way to relate to other people ? What changed ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Grandpapy said:
Allowing the education of the general public to fall below standards set by the "Global Economy" in order to be competitive is nothing but treason.
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Treason? Oh that's a good one. You should consider reading Spooner's "No Treason" essay.

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greg nr

greg nr

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Rob Roy said:
So when you say "we" you assume other people will go along with your ideas and if they don't, you are fine with bullying them to the point of killing them, even if they are leaving you alone?

What's wrong with THAT picture?
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step away from the bong young man, it is affecting your ability to reason.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
Generally when beginning a sentence, the first word is capitalized. Now, please feel free to continue with your ranting about illiteracy and idiots.
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if you can understand the meaning of the sentence my point is made. Glad to see those property taxes have been put to great use for your schooling. Please continue to pay. Thanks
 
choomer

choomer

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Outside of how badly taxes have provided for education since the gov't got involved in education, why the long off-topic diatribe about them?

In 1895 in Salinas KS there was this 8th grade graduation test.
Snopes tried to belittle the credence of such a test (but does post the questions asked) by citing a letter by Joseph Crosby authored 19 years before he created the English Grammar and Orthography part of the test.
Try taking the test yourself.
How many here would even be able to do the grammar section?

While some may consider it was an inane testing standard used (Snopes: "And after all, do we really care these days whether our educators know the “feminines of the words hero, bachelor, and ox”?"), no one discounts that during a time when there was no gov't funding of education and very little in the way of educational materials provided to schools from anyone that at least all 8th graders were able to read the test.

Try giving the same test in Baltimore.
God forbid the subject be math.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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choomer said:
Outside of how badly taxes have provided for education since the gov't got involved in education, why the long off-topic diatribe about them?

In 1895 in Salinas KS there was this 8th grade graduation test.
Snopes tried to belittle the credence of such a test (but does post the questions asked) by citing a letter by Joseph Crosby authored 19 years before he created the English Grammar and Orthography part of the test.
Try taking the test yourself.
How many here would even be able to do the grammar section?

While some may consider it was an inane testing standard used (Snopes: "And after all, do we really care these days whether our educators know the “feminines of the words hero, bachelor, and ox”?"), no one discounts that during a time when there was no gov't funding of education and very little in the way of educational materials provided to schools from anyone that at least all 8th graders were able to read the test.

Try giving the same test in Baltimore.
God forbid the subject be math.
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What language is that?
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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choomer said:
Outside of how badly taxes have provided for education since the gov't got involved in education, why the long off-topic diatribe about them?

In 1895 in Salinas KS there was this 8th grade graduation test.
Snopes tried to belittle the credence of such a test (but does post the questions asked) by citing a letter by Joseph Crosby authored 19 years before he created the English Grammar and Orthography part of the test.
Try taking the test yourself.
How many here would even be able to do the grammar section?

While some may consider it was an inane testing standard used (Snopes: "And after all, do we really care these days whether our educators know the “feminines of the words hero, bachelor, and ox”?"), no one discounts that during a time when there was no gov't funding of education and very little in the way of educational materials provided to schools from anyone that at least all 8th graders were able to read the test.

Try giving the same test in Baltimore.
God forbid the subject be math.
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The cost of a child's education pales in comparison to their increased economic output as a result of being educated.

Right wingers should want to invest more into children so they've an army of consumers with disposable income to sell shit to.
 
choomer

choomer

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SneekyNinja said:
The cost of a child's education pales in comparison to their increased economic output as a result of being educated.
Right wingers should want to invest more into children so they've an army of consumers with disposable income to sell shit to.
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Hmmmmm.....
A test that cost no one anything the weren't willing to subsidize themselves (since you quoted that post) vs. "$70.7 billion in discretionary funding and $145 billion in new mandatory funding for the U.S. Department of Education." (this is federal alone).

Let's do some MATH!

$70,700,000,000
+ $145,000,000,000
----------------------
$215,000,000,000
/ (that's divided by)
325,008,197 (2016 ESTIMATED US population)

= $661.52 PER PERSON, not per child, but if you think of every family of 2 adults and 1 child that's $1984.57 per child per year.

This isn't right vs. left because neither have had complete control of gov't education but the fact that at $1984.57 per child per year there are still large populations that can't functionally READ (see OP) using (only) those federal funds.

Why?

EDIT:
To put this into context here's a chart from https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/edlite-chart.html



So federal is a small portion.
 
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gonnagro

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choomer said:
Outside of how badly taxes have provided for education since the gov't got involved in education, why the long off-topic diatribe about them?

In 1895 in Salinas KS there was this 8th grade graduation test.
Snopes tried to belittle the credence of such a test (but does post the questions asked) by citing a letter by Joseph Crosby authored 19 years before he created the English Grammar and Orthography part of the test.
Try taking the test yourself.
How many here would even be able to do the grammar section?

While some may consider it was an inane testing standard used (Snopes: "And after all, do we really care these days whether our educators know the “feminines of the words hero, bachelor, and ox”?"), no one discounts that during a time when there was no gov't funding of education and very little in the way of educational materials provided to schools from anyone that at least all 8th graders were able to read the test.

Try giving the same test in Baltimore.
God forbid the subject be math.
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I'm not ashamed to say I couldn't pass any section. I think the easiest was the cost of coal question.


-TRUMP 2020
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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choomer said:
Hmmmmm.....
A test that cost no one anything the weren't willing to subsidize themselves (since you quoted that post) vs. "$70.7 billion in discretionary funding and $145 billion in new mandatory funding for the U.S. Department of Education." (this is federal alone).

Let's do some MATH!

$70,700,000,000
+ $145,000,000,000
----------------------
$215,000,000,000
/ (that's divided by)
325,008,197 (2016 ESTIMATED US population)

= $661.52 PER PERSON, not per child, but if you think of every family of 2 adults and 1 child that's $1984.57 per child per year.

This isn't right vs. left because neither have had complete control of gov't education but the fact that at $1984.57 per child per year there are still large populations that can't functionally READ (see OP) using (only) those federal funds.

Why?

EDIT:
To put this into context here's a chart from https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/edlite-chart.html



So federal is a small portion.
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What language is that?
 
MarWan

MarWan

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ttystikk said:
Listening to a BBC Radio program with the first female US Librarian of the Congress and a woman who built a small library in Johannesburg, SA.

The US Librarian said that 38% of the residents of Baltimore, MD are functionally illiterate.

I'm shocked. Is anyone else?

I'm dismayed and disgusted. Is anyone else?

Are we creating a third world country right here in America?

Discuss.
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It's much easier to control and manipulate uneducated public, it worked perfectly in the third world countries. A ruling member of some third world country privately regretted opening schools for the public and wanted to limit it to the elites..
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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choomer said:
Hmmmmm.....
A test that cost no one anything the weren't willing to subsidize themselves (since you quoted that post) vs. "$70.7 billion in discretionary funding and $145 billion in new mandatory funding for the U.S. Department of Education." (this is federal alone).

Let's do some MATH!

$70,700,000,000
+ $145,000,000,000
----------------------
$215,000,000,000
/ (that's divided by)
325,008,197 (2016 ESTIMATED US population)

= $661.52 PER PERSON, not per child, but if you think of every family of 2 adults and 1 child that's $1984.57 per child per year.

This isn't right vs. left because neither have had complete control of gov't education but the fact that at $1984.57 per child per year there are still large populations that can't functionally READ (see OP) using (only) those federal funds.

Why?

EDIT:
To put this into context here's a chart from https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/edlite-chart.html



So federal is a small portion.
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Other countries have more Govt control, better outcomes and no pervasive debt for a little more upfront cost.
 
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