Organic soil ph issues

[RayRay747]

I say you might as well boil the water for what it takes.... sure it may not really do too much but I guarantee the bacteria will be healthier without any at all which = better plants.

I almost guarantee there will be some benefits even if it is just 0.5% yield increase etc.

Lucky for me my water is from a well 300ppm got it tested and it was mainly calcium, magnesium, and zinc lol couldn't believe it

yea my water source is pretty decent. Im not worried about that. Just getting rid of some of the chlorine and chloramine. Thats all.

 

[RayRay747]

What about chloramine in water? Doesn't go away with air exposure, will it hurt the living soil?

I have read and was told to remove most of the chloramine and chlorine to slow boil the water for 20-25mins. But I have not tested the water after doing this to confirm that this is in fact the case. I will have to test it out one of these days.

 

[Kingrow1]

As far as what I read, letting the tap water sit out open for 24-48 hours will remove all or most of the chlorine, but not the chloramine. To remove the chloramine, you should slow boil the water for 20-25mins. Now this is what I have read and spoke to the water guys here but maybe I am completely mislead by what I have read and the information I was told.

Go over water your plants, if you get green mold (trichoderma) yours and the water guys hypothesis was dead Wrong.

 

[RayRay747]

Go over water your plants, if you get green mold (trichoderma) yours and the water guys hypothesis was dead Wrong.

I’m not following you. Elaborate please. So boiling the water doesn’t remove the chlorine and chloramine?

I also use ascorbic acid/oranges/vit c

How would green mold grow?

I’m so confused now.

My plants don’t seem to mind what I’m doing now but I’d rather be sure rather than wait and down the line they drop dead...

Any advice/suggestions appreciated.

 

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[Rasta Roy]

I’m not following you. Elaborate please. So boiling the water doesn’t remove the chlorine and chloramine?

I also use ascorbic acid/oranges/vit c

How would green mold grow?

I’m so confused now.

My plants don’t seem to mind what I’m doing now but I’d rather be sure rather than wait and down the line they drop dead...

Any advice/suggestions appreciated.

Letting your water sit so the chlorine dissipates is good. You should worry about that. Everyone else using tap water does. The chloramine is not something you should worry about it. You can. If you want to spend the extra time. But most organic growers are not boiling their water and wasting oranges and their grows are not showing any signs of issues is all I'm saying. Respectfully.

It's your garden, it's your time. Spend it as you please. I personally would spend the time training my plants over boiling their water as training is the thing that will effect the outcome of the harvest most between the two options.

 

[toomp]

Super Soil is just a bad idea
Your going to need a bottle

 

[Stink Bug]

Stop wasting your oranges friend, just letting your water sit will produce the same results.

You just think that because hydrogrowers think they know what they're doing and have been good about spreading bad information. Lol.

My tap water comes out above 8 on the ph scale consistently. It sits in a res with an air pump until I need it. I don't touch it.

Yes chlorine will evaporate away just by sitting. Chloramine on the other hand will not.

 

[Stink Bug]

LOL...

This is all I have on it in terms of a basic google search:

"Adding fruit to a water pitcher (e.g., slicing peeled orange into a 1-gal water pitcher) will neutralize chloramine within 30 minutes. If desired, chloramine and ammonia can be completely removed from the water by boiling; however, it will take 20 minutes of gentle boil to do that."

This is what I do now, but maybe I am doing it half-ass backwards... I used to use oranges but now just slow boil all of my feed water for 20-25mins...

Just a few drops of lemon juice will neutralize the chloramine if you feel the need to do so.

 

[Rasta Roy]

Super Soil is just a bad idea
Your going to need a bottle

Fuck bottles. Top dress.

 

[Kingrow1]

I’m not following you. Elaborate please. So boiling the water doesn’t remove the chlorine and chloramine?

I also use ascorbic acid/oranges/vit c

How would green mold grow?

I’m so confused now.

My plants don’t seem to mind what I’m doing now but I’d rather be sure rather than wait and down the line they drop dead...

Any advice/suggestions appreciated.

The stuff in tap water is at safe limits for plants and soils, it does not need to be removed.

People who spread this myth havent grown in tap water and soil for long enough

 

[Stink Bug]

The stuff in tap water is at safe limits for plants and soils, it does not need to be removed.

People who spread this myth havent grown in tap water and soil for long enough

There are possible exceptions. Some municipal water sources in places like SoCal, southern Florida and the desert SW can be insanely off.

 

[Kingrow1]

There are possible exceptions. Some municipal water sources in places like SoCal, southern Florida and the desert SW can be insanely off.

There comes a point where too much chloramide in a regulated water system will see them facing either manslaughter or gross neglegence charges. The second you screw up chloramide levels shit could get serious, not a chemical that is taken likely as you will note its potential for toxicity and death.

Seriously most regulated tap water will not kill shit, take you microscope to x100 and that stuffs full of living things right out rhe tap. Contrary to popular belief tap water is far from a sterile product, loads of stuff living in amongst that chlorine

 

[RayRay747]

Letting your water sit so the chlorine dissipates is good. You should worry about that. Everyone else using tap water does. The chloramine is not something you should worry about it. You can. If you want to spend the extra time. But most organic growers are not boiling their water and wasting oranges and their grows are not showing any signs of issues is all I'm saying. Respectfully.

It's your garden, it's your time. Spend it as you please. I personally would spend the time training my plants over boiling their water as training is the thing that will effect the outcome of the harvest most between the two options.

Thanks for the suggestions. Yeah I always cook so boiling water is not an extra step for me to do while im cooking. But yeah letting the water sit is a good idea as well. Water and training go in tandem all of my plants are LSD'd and some fimmed and I have a calendar set for the training, nutes, watering (more of a checking guide - I dont overwater) that I follow religiously.

Just a few drops of lemon juice will neutralize the chloramine if you feel the need to do so.

Yep thats why I use oranges.

 

[toomp]

Fuck bottles. Top dress.

Outside sure, inside different animals

 

[Rasta Roy]

Outside sure, inside different animals

Yes but not for what you're talking about. Bottles are great for the company bottling them and making excess cash. No one else.

 

[Buba Blend]

This is a great thread guys.
In my organic soil grow I just switched back to my old way of mixing tap and RO. For several grows I was watering with ro and ran into the type of problems described in the thread, most notably calcium problems. It all started when I switched to ro. When I started developing the problems I was thinking I had a low PH nutrient lockout from over watering but now think it was from switching to RO and not properly adjusting for the change or something like that.
I began to fear chloramine and avoided going back to the tap water / ro mix.
4 weeks into flowering and I switched back a couple of days ago. This thread played a roll in that.
Next grow I will start with the mix and see if there are noticeable differences.
I'll let you guys know in about 4 months lol when the next grow reaches the stage I'm at now.

 

[Kingrow1]

This is a great thread guys.
In my organic soil grow I just switched back to my old way of mixing tap and RO. For several grows I was watering with ro and ran into the type of problems described in the thread, most notably calcium problems. It all started when I switched to ro. When I started developing the problems I was thinking I had a low PH nutrient lockout from over watering but now think it was from switching to RO and not properly adjusting for the change or something like that.
I began to fear chloramine and avoided going back to the tap water / ro mix.
4 weeks into flowering and I switched back a couple of days ago. This thread played a roll in that.
Next grow I will start with the mix and see if there are noticeable differences.
I'll let you guys know in about 4 months lol when the next grow reaches the stage I'm at now.

Water contains very little calcium and most of that is unavailable, those that think tap water cures calcium def or that ro needs calcium are misguided as this is far from reality. Tap water contains a tiny fractional amount of calcium chloride for absorption and a touch of calcium carbonate which will not increase calcium by an appreciable amount in an already limed soil.

Facts are that water is not a source of calcium, fuck dude you cant substitute it for milk in humans or a calcium nitrate in a chem fert.

This thread is a testament to the amount of redundant grow crap that circulates these boards....

 

[Kingrow1]

Please let this thread die, calmag, oranges and chlorine ffs how hard does one want to make a simple thing.....!

 

[Buba Blend]

Water contains very little calcium and most of that is unavailable, those that think tap water cures calcium def or that ro needs calcium are misguided as this is far from reality. Tap water contains a tiny fractional amount of calcium chloride for absorption and a touch of calcium carbonate which will not increase calcium by an appreciable amount in an already limed soil.

Facts are that water is not a source of calcium, fuck dude you cant substitute it for milk in humans or a calcium nitrate in a chem fert.

This thread is a testament to the amount of redundant grow crap that circulates these boards....

OK! I was confused thinking about it a few days ago and now I'm just as confused. Still going to see if making the change improves thing or not. Wish it did not take so long to find out the results from my next grow lol.