Psychadelibuds Underground Laboratory

[psychadelibud]

I am currently using BX as well right now, have used HP in the past and loved all of the extra perilite added into the mix! I had extremely good results mixing the HP with either Roots Organic or FFOF, about a 70/30 (HP/Roots or FFOF) mix.

Sunshine bales are great as well...

I would use the HP but I get the BX locally for real cheap, shipping is expensive as hell. What I usually do with the BX is order a large bag or two of coarse perilite and throw in with it and you have your HP plus bio/fungicide mix.

Interesting you say coco holds a lot of water. I personally have never dabbed into coco, but I ALWAYS hear the exact opposite that you absolutely can not over water it...

Anyone recommended some good nutrients to go with this run? I have had good reults in the past with Fox Farms line, Advanced Nutrients (love the results, but HATE the price tag!), Organics (way to go outdoor but not really a fan indoors).

I want a line that is easy to manage and little to no worry like Advanced always seems to give me, has the flavor and potency of Fox Farms, but Fox Farms just doesn't have the yield that Advanced has. I do realize it is the 95% the person behind the plant growing it but I do known for a fact that nutrients plays a big part in the game as well...

 

[thumper60]

I am currently using BX as well right now, have used HP in the past and loved all of the extra perilite added into the mix! I had extremely good results mixing the HP with either Roots Organic or FFOF, about a 70/30 (HP/Roots or FFOF) mix.

Sunshine bales are great as well...

I would use the HP but I get the BX locally for real cheap, shipping is expensive as hell. What I usually do with the BX is order a large bag or two of coarse perilite and throw in with it and you have your HP plus bio/fungicide mix.

Interesting you say coco holds a lot of water. I personally have never dabbed into coco, but I ALWAYS hear the exact opposite that you absolutely can not over water it...

Anyone recommended some good nutrients to go with this run? I have had good reults in the past with Fox Farms line, Advanced Nutrients (love the results, but HATE the price tag!), Organics (way to go outdoor but not really a fan indoors).

I want a line that is easy to manage and little to no worry like Advanced always seems to give me, has the flavor and potency of Fox Farms, but Fox Farms just doesn't have the yield that Advanced has. I do realize it is the 95% the person behind the plant growing it but I do known for a fact that nutrients plays a big part in the game as well...

ya that bx holds to much water to for me anyway,i like plug an play, why buy bx or coco when u gotta add perlite to it,i have run thur a ton of coco different brands I always go back to the hp if u get bx localey why not have them order a pallet of hp,as far as nutes each his own I like bonticare with promix very forgiving

 

[psychadelibud]

Howdy n G'morning folks, good morning ..

Red, just letting you know I got that thermostatically controlled outlet set up to my fan and duct straight out the room right now to the outside. Heater is set at 72 and the Thermostat controller is set to 82. I tested it by turning the heat way up and it worked great! Thanks again for that wonderful idea.

Now, on to some news that is not so "good" and feels rather bad..

6 of the clones are wilting. I thought that maybe I had not watered them in enough because I "try" to keep myself from over watering as I used to have an incredibly stupid issue with that. Then, I realize that under watering is not quiet the issue. The droopy leaves were very stiff and firm, when moved sprang right back into place quickly and instantly, instead of classic under watering "lifeless" symptoms that is due to lack of hydration...

Which brings us on over to, over watering. Dammit...

So what do you guys recommend I do??? Maybe crank up the dehumidifier and fan to high to try and get them to dry out quicker and get them back on track? Or maybe since they have not had time to really root on out especially due to the lack of oxygen in the soil due to over watering, maybe gently cup and scoop them up and take out the wet promix and add dry to even out the moisture content in the medium better? I feel like I have a few options here. I just know sometimes over watering leads to a very slow start on things when atm I actually need a very QUICK start on things, and I have seen it cause some terrible physical issues within the plants tissue as well.

This problem is not new to me, I know everything about over watering. Just looking for advice on which step would be the best move in the game right now. I HATE seeing them droop, it hurts me as much as it hurts them .

 

[HydroRed]

I wish I had more ideas for you friend, but I'll leave the advice to the promix gurus.

 

[thumper60]

how big r the pots they in?

 

[psychadelibud]

They went from solo cups to 1 gallon bags. Some of them are in 2 gallon bags cut down to about a gallon and a half.

 

[DankBudzzz]

You should try megacrop , I’ve personally been very impressed and I always s run HP, this time I’m using HP with coco. Never had healthier plants than with mega crop and don’t need a 100 bottles of nutes. I do add a little extra cal mag every few weeks because I’m under cobs but I honestly don’t think I need it.

 

[psychadelibud]

You should try megacrop , I’ve personally been very impressed and I always s run HP, this time I’m using HP with coco. Never had healthier plants than with mega crop and don’t need a 100 bottles of nutes. I do add a little extra cal mag every few weeks because I’m under cobs but I honestly don’t think I need it.

Thanks for the reference Dank. I will look into Mega Crop. I have heard good things about it. Sounds extremely simple.

 

[psychadelibud]

I think I have decided to maybe scoop up the particular plants that are drooping the worse and amend the soil over with drier medium. I mean I would rather deal with a couple of days of continuous transplant shock than I would a case of over watering and have any discoloring and foilage die out.

I am gonna check the girls in a bit and see how they are looking this evening. I will grab a few photos of the droop and throw those up on here as well.

 

[psychadelibud]

Dank could you go into further detail about your medium and mix? So you mix coco and promix HP?

 

[ChaosHunter]

@psychadelibud Give basement mix a look if you can get it. Its a coco based soilless mix and I like it a lot.

http://royalgoldcoco.com/soils/royal-gold/basement-mix-pid-2

 

[DankBudzzz]

Dank could you go into further detail about your medium and mix? So you mix coco and promix HP?

I don’t wanna say too much yet because it’s my first run with coco in the mix but everything is super healthy , more so then in pro mix alone but I think megacrop May have a lot to do with it, I will say my plants in 3 gallon coco/promix are growing way faster then in 5 gallon of promix alone and way bigger and healthier . I dunno if it was nutrients or what but I always got root bound/ salt build up issues I promix alone. Always expeeimenting but only two months into megacrop I’m super impressed. Stoked to see this grow come together!

 

[psychadelibud]

@psychadelibud Give basement mix a look if you can get it. Its a coco based soilless mix and I like it a lot.

http://royalgoldcoco.com/soils/royal-gold/basement-mix-pid-2

This looks like some really good stuff. Visited their website and was pleased with what I seen. I will likely try this medium out. Thanks Chaos!

 

[psychadelibud]

Alright y'all here are some pics of the wilting plants.



Now, upon further inspection I noticed a couple of speckled leaves on one of the clones in the front area of the lights. I flipped a leaf over and low and behold, spider mites and eggs everywhere. One GG clone had eggs literally all over it! So that one I put in a zip lock baggie and trashed it after squishing the eggs.

Then I opened up a Hot Shot No Pest Strip and placed in the center of the plants and turned off the fan. I truly have no time to fuck with these little bastards and I don't have the funds atm to throw out to some expensive washes and insecticidal treatments. These strips are extremely highly rated to work against mites and I will report when things are looking better and get back on track, will likely be a few days.

 

[dubekoms]

Do they have purple stems? Could be high pH or maybe a drainage issue.

 

[psychadelibud]

High pH may be a possibility but not poor drainage. I split a gallon of water per 5 transplants in 1 to 2 gallon containers.I used my tap water with the same boogie blue water filter attached all summer long to water my guerilla grow with zero issues and pH has always been perfect. Maybe I should have watered the medium thoroughly?

I have not checked on them since last night when I noticed the spider mite issue. At a Christmas dinner now but as soon as I get home i'm going to check and see if the No Pest strip has taken effect and hold on them yet. I have a respirator to wear in the room and once I enter i'm going to exhaust the room for about 5 to 10 minutes before doing a checkup. Hope these things work as good as the reviews I have read.

 

[thumper60]

High pH may be a possibility but not poor drainage. I split a gallon of water per 5 transplants in 1 to 2 gallon containers.I used my tap water with the same boogie blue water filter attached all summer long to water my guerilla grow with zero issues and pH has always been perfect. Maybe I should have watered the medium thoroughly?

I have not checked on them since last night when I noticed the spider mite issue. At a Christmas dinner now but as soon as I get home i'm going to check and see if the No Pest strip has taken effect and hold on them yet. I have a respirator to wear in the room and once I enter i'm going to exhaust the room for about 5 to 10 minutes before doing a checkup. Hope these things work as good as the reviews I have read.

did u wet the promix before putting plants in very important to do,it activates the lime an mikcos sets the ph,i cut a hole in top of bale pour in 15 gals of water let it sit over night cant put plants into dry promix then try to water,get probs that look like yours

 

[psychadelibud]

did u wet the promix before putting plants in very important to do,it activates the lime an mikcos sets the ph,i cut a hole in top of bale pour in 15 gals of water let it sit over night cant put plants into dry promix then try to water,get probs that look like yours

Hello Thumper and good morning. What I did do was fill the bags halfway up and then pour the water into the mix. I then worked it up with my hands until it was all evenly moist then leveled it out, unpacked of course. Then I submerged the root ball about an inch into the moist mixture, and filled the bags the rest of the way up about an inch and half from the top of bags and poured a little more water about the outside of the edges. Same way I have always used promix in my 15 years of growing.

I actually just had checked on the plants, first time since around 36 hours ago right about the time you had commented, pretty ironic eh? Lol.

What I did notice was that a few more was wilted now and the edges of leaves were kinda canoed upwards a bit (looked almost rolled up like a taco shell).

I never mentioned the mixture I used as a transplant solution but I mixed seaweed juice, real growers recharge and a half dose of cal-mag into the water. Everything was mixed about 3/4 strength.

Any more suggestions as to what this could be??? I know in the past, with my spider or broad mite battles that the plants look almost exactly the same but hell the outbreak had not got that serious yet.

Now for the good news??? Those Hot Shot No Pest Strips totally kick ass and they kick ass hard! Within 36 hours ALL mites were dead, zilch, nada... It was like dropping a nuke on them. The myth is confirmed true in my book and ill never be without them from this point forward!

Hope everyone had a great Christmas!

 

[psychadelibud]

I believe it may be a problem combination of a couple of different things after doing more research.

For one I do believe they were slightly over watered due to the "stiff" droopiness. Then I believe they need a little more humidity which I NEVER imagined being underground but honestly the humidity stays low down there and I am not using my dehumidifier at all because of that. If I happen to need it during flower then it will be because of the large mass of plant foilage perspiration and not the environment itself.

Then I think there is a touch of transplant shock, those T5's are actually pretty bright compared to those 2 little CFL bulbs they spent over a month beneath. There is a switch on the lights to use 4 bulbs or 8 bulbs and I have had them under both fixtures maxing out 8 bulbs so 16 total. I am going to cut the light back to only 4 bulbs, 8 bulbs total. I am also going to give them a light foiliar mist with seaweed juice and aspirin for the mite damage and stress they may have endured. Aspirin is good stuff when your plants are experiencing mite stress or any stress for that matter as it activates the plants SAR system and kicks their immune system straight into high gear.

I really do believe it is a combination of those things causing the plants to look like they do. I am going to kick the heat mat on as well beneath the plants and cut the lighting in half for a few days and see if they adjust to that better than their current environment.

Wish me luck guys. Hoping like hell these girls keep the promise they made me and kick into gear and ready to flower in a couple of weeks, all while being healthy and vigorous.

Dann I can't wait to have some Chem lineage up in here, never had any good chem before... Yeah, that's Kentucky for ya!

 

[thumper60]

don't want to mess ya up but if my plants looked like that I would flush with half dose of kelp,sounds like u put roots into dry promix then little water they not over watered,roots r locked out