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bdigi

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I have white widow x ak47 (early version), chemdog, and sour diesel in the 7th/8th week of flower and would like some feedback. The white widow x ak47 started foxtailing which i see is common, but i am not sure when to harvest. The foxtails have white pistols but the buds underneath are retracted and red. Trichs are cloudy and amber on the sugar leaves, but the buds look a little premature.

The chemdog and diesel also have white pistols, but also some red and retracted. Trichs are amber and cloudy but again they look premature. These flowered a little later than the white widow x ak47.

Are any of these ready to harvest? Also, what are the purple fan leaves indicative of? They only recently started changing color and i'll admit that i have had trouble keeping the pH from spiking up to 7+
 

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bdigi

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Still looking for feedback. I'm traveling next week so I need to chop either this Saturday or next Sunday. I cut back the nutrients and didn't add koolbloom when I refilled the res yesterday.

Should I add the koolbloom back and harvest when I get back from my trip or should I start flushing? The ww/ak (last two pictures) seem to be the closest to finishing but the foxtails still have white pistils, so I'm not sure if I should wait until all of them go red. I quick dried and sampled yesterday and the high was a bit racy, but I am not sure if that is typical for sativa/this strain in particular or if it was due to the speed dry
 

Dudogrow

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I wont claim to be an expert but if bud trichs aren't cloudy with a few amber your probably right about them being premature. The strains you mentioned are mostly sativa and those tend to take 9-11 weeks of flower. You'll get less of a head high as it matures so the racy feeling should go away. I don't believe speed drying affects the high just the taste.
 

ColoradoHighGrower

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I'll also add that pistol color is usually not at all the best indication of finished product, and that drying isn't curing, and curing is needed to carboxylize the canabinoids in the trichomes to THC, giving you a more normal high and not the racy feeling you get from none-cured/raw nug that has only been dried.. Trichome color/milkiness are always the best way to tell when done (or at your ideal preferred stage of ripeness). But, you need to be careful and look at not just sugar leaves, as Dudogrow suggested- look at the nugs too, even peeling them open a bit to look between calyxes. A lot of strains show a lot of amber early on, like in this photo of a small sugar leaf I took off some blue dream I'm currently growing. Only at week 5 of flower, so nowhere near done, but still showing almost 80% amber trichomes on some leaves, and then none in other areas closer/inside the nugs.... If you pay attention and tune into the plant, you'll see her change, and say "I'm ready for ya baby..." ;)17123021543584.jpg 17123021553591.jpg
 

Dr. Who

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I'll also add that pistol color is usually not at all the best indication of finished product, and that drying isn't curing, and curing is needed to carboxylize the canabinoids in the trichomes to THC, giving you a more normal high and not the racy feeling you get from none-cured/raw nug that has only been dried.. Trichome color/milkiness are always the best way to tell when done (or at your ideal preferred stage of ripeness). But, you need to be careful and look at not just sugar leaves, as Dudogrow suggested- look at the nugs too, even peeling them open a bit to look between calyxes. A lot of strains show a lot of amber early on, like in this photo of a small sugar leaf I took off some blue dream I'm currently growing. Only at week 5 of flower, so nowhere near done, but still showing almost 80% amber trichomes on some leaves, and then none in other areas closer/inside the nugs.... If you pay attention and tune into the plant, you'll see her change, and say "I'm ready for ya baby..." ;)View attachment 4065737 View attachment 4065738
Um, pistil (not pistol) color....ok, not bad.
There is no "carboxylize" going on in curing.....much less being a word. You Decarboxylate material before making butter. I have no idea what your meaning here.

Interesting BD pheno you have there..... Be a nice breeder, to use for adding ambering back to a strain that doesn't. I gotta ask. Who's version is that?
There are lots of strains that don't amber! The high end underground breeder strains, don't for the most part. Uber potent strains do not either. There are plenty of Sativa's that either are terribly slow to, or simply don't.
Also the amber your plant is showing/expressing. Is part of an expression of several levels of ambering. This is the common early "amber". Those that do this will tend to now turn a "reddish" darker amber....This is the ripe point, that transitions into the last dark brown or black trich that is degraded out. Next they simply fall off and the plant struggles to make a last ditch effort to reproduce and it dies out.

I have white widow x ak47 (early version), chemdog, and sour diesel in the 7th/8th week of flower and would like some feedback. The white widow x ak47 started foxtailing which i see is common, but i am not sure when to harvest. The foxtails have white pistols but the buds underneath are retracted and red. Trichs are cloudy and amber on the sugar leaves, but the buds look a little premature.

The chemdog and diesel also have white pistols, but also some red and retracted. Trichs are amber and cloudy but again they look premature. These flowered a little later than the white widow x ak47.

Are any of these ready to harvest? Also, what are the purple fan leaves indicative of? They only recently started changing color and i'll admit that i have had trouble keeping the pH from spiking up to 7+
You don't line out what photo is what strain.
Pretty simple to see the WW X AK.....look below the foxtailing (that can be sign of finishing in some Sativa's) and what do you see? I see a plant basically about ready for harvest.
Chem? Hmm, hard to say. It's basically a 10 week strain for me.
Diesel can be short or long. Depends on just who's strain it is. Any bumpy looking limited foxtailing on it, is normal. Look to the main bud for signs of being done.
Swollen calyx's and pistils receded into them (part way) are a sure sign of being ready.....in combination with the other factors.

I would take the trip and harvest when I returned....
 

tyke1973

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I'll also add that pistol color is usually not at all the best indication of finished product, and that drying isn't curing, and curing is needed to carboxylize the canabinoids in the trichomes to THC, giving you a more normal high and not the racy feeling you get from none-cured/raw nug that has only been dried.. Trichome color/milkiness are always the best way to tell when done (or at your ideal preferred stage of ripeness). But, you need to be careful and look at not just sugar leaves, as Dudogrow suggested- look at the nugs too, even peeling them open a bit to look between calyxes. A lot of strains show a lot of amber early on, like in this photo of a small sugar leaf I took off some blue dream I'm currently growing. Only at week 5 of flower, so nowhere near done, but still showing almost 80% amber trichomes on some leaves, and then none in other areas closer/inside the nugs.... If you pay attention and tune into the plant, you'll see her change, and say "I'm ready for ya baby..." ;)View attachment 4065737 View attachment 4065738
One of the Reasons i use Sugar Leaf in my hash Beating,Or in a bubble bag with Dry Ice,The Hash is all ways Dynamite,Done the Old School way Screen Beat,Then Compressed And heated till it forms a Nice solid Block,Also use all the Bottoms and Any Smaller buds.It's one of my Favorite things to Smoke,Only beat it for a few minutes though and it comes out nice and light,You can tell over beat stuff Looks green,I still re beat it ,to get a lower grade Hash that i give a few mates,Still nice smoke.Dry Ice i just Leave the leaf and smaller stuff in Bag, then shake over a large mirror i have.I know Growers that throw Sugar leaf away,Well they did,but i get it now .The only Part any grower should throw away is the stems,And the fan leaf, Even then it goes into Mulch for garden.Your throwing Money away if you don't use the sugar leaf.
 
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ColoradoHighGrower

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Um, pistil (not pistol) color....ok, not bad.
There is no "carboxylize" going on in curing.....much less being a word. You Decarboxylate material before making butter. I have no idea what your meaning here.

Interesting BD pheno you have there..... Be a nice breeder, to use for adding ambering back to a strain that doesn't. I gotta ask. Who's version is that?
There are lots of strains that don't amber! The high end underground breeder strains, don't for the most part. Uber potent strains do not either. There are plenty of Sativa's that either are terribly slow to, or simply don't.
Also the amber your plant is showing/expressing. Is part of an expression of several levels of ambering. This is the common early "amber". Those that do this will tend to now turn a "reddish" darker amber....This is the ripe point, that transitions into the last dark brown or black trich that is degraded out. Next they simply fall off and the plant struggles to make a last ditch effort to reproduce and it dies out.



You don't line out what photo is what strain.
Pretty simple to see the WW X AK.....look below the foxtailing (that can be sign of finishing in some Sativa's) and what do you see? I see a plant basically about ready for harvest.
Chem? Hmm, hard to say. It's basically a 10 week strain for me.
Diesel can be short or long. Depends on just who's strain it is. Any bumpy looking limited foxtailing on it, is normal. Look to the main bud for signs of being done.
Swollen calyx's and pistils receded into them (part way) are a sure sign of being ready.....in combination with the other factors.

I would take the trip and harvest when I returned....
Ha! Sorry, was high and tired when i wrote that..... lol! Yes, decarboxylation, and pistils, not handguns!! And yes, you're right Dr Who, got my chemistry mixed up: Curing allows more cannabergerol to convert to tetrahydrocannabinol (THCA), and this process needs time (curing). Once curing is done and THCA levels as high as possible, the decarboxylation process (THCA losing a COOH molecule) makes THC, the psychoactive molecule we all evolved to love dearly. This process either needs time (curing) or slow constant heat (cooking while making butter) to release these extra carboxyl rings. Alternatively, vaping or smoking/burning THCA will do this immediately..:fire:

My BD is from the Discount Clone Club. Only showing amber on lower sugar leaves at this point, but only week 5, so we'll see! :mrgreen::peace:
 
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