chemphlegm
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do christians support same sex marriages now?
A civil debate?
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Sour Wreck
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some do, but not southern baptists
InigoMontoya
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I believe the government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all. A marriage is a sacred bond between two people whether it be man and woman or two men or two women. I 100% support two people in love getting married regardless of their sexual orientation. Abortion I have some conflicting feelings about, but I am a father so my opinion might be a little biased. I believe that women should have access to abortion in cases of rape, incest, or if the pregnancy is life threatening in some way to a mother. I do not believe it should be used as a form of birth control. Yes abortion is a woman's choice, but so is contraception. But again. I believe in individual liberty. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I may not agree with someone's actions or beliefs but if they aren't hurting anyone else with their actions or beliefs than it's not my business.
chemphlegm
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but if a post op transsexual is competing in the Olympic running games, or any, do you think its fair that the
once female now male athlete is allowed to continue taking his performance enhancing steroids while
non reassigned competitors are prohibited from taking the same steroids during the race?
once female now male athlete is allowed to continue taking his performance enhancing steroids while
non reassigned competitors are prohibited from taking the same steroids during the race?
InigoMontoya
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Holy mother of God. You just broke my political correctness meter.
Sour Wreck
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fair enough
how do you feel about a bakery who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple?
and while you are at it, why do you vote republican? what are their policies you support?
a wall? immigration ban?
PCXV
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I can't explain things you make up.
Rob Roy
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Which part of my statement is in error?
Also, maybe you can explain this...Do some people have more rights than others? Should they?
InigoMontoya
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Ah, the bakery. That was a very interesting story. I disagree with that baker. Seems like he might have been kind of an asshole. But did he have a right do so? As a small business owner in a free country he absolutely did. And I hope if he ever gets married a gay baker tells him to go to hell while making a way fancier cake. But I have never voted republican, nor do I agree with any policies that republicans make. As for immigration that's another tricky one for me. I work landscaping and the last company I worked for had me on a crew solely with H2B workers here from Mexico. And holy cow these guys changed my life. I've never worked with more ethical, family oriented, hard working and decent people. And the stories they told me made me sick. If I could move every one of those guys and their families into my house they'd be here right now. Fuck ICE. I believe that our immigration policies should be changed to make legal entry into our country easier. Because right now it's fuckin impossible. But I don't agree with rewarding people for breaking the law. I believe everyone should have a chance at a new life and every immigrant this country gets makes us stronger. But not if we don't do it the right way.
Unclebaldrick
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chemphlegm
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pretty sure a private business owner in america is violating the civil rights of another if they refuse to
do business with said customer on the basis of sexual orientation.
Owner does not have a legal right to refuse business this way. he does have a personal right
to refuse of course, and suffer our wrath
do business with said customer on the basis of sexual orientation.
Owner does not have a legal right to refuse business this way. he does have a personal right
to refuse of course, and suffer our wrath
InigoMontoya
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Legal implications of?..But you know there are legal implications too, right?
chemphlegm
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do you believe legal immigrants are no longer allowed here?
chemphlegm
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Rob Roy
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If people have the right of self determination, then there can be no such thing as "civil rights" since the exercise of one right cancelling another right is impossible.
I am more than "pretty sure" about that since it is self evidently accurate.
Sour Wreck
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well we disagree.
in our regulated business society, where you must be licensed to do business, you should not be able to refuse service, especially based on the bakers fucked up religious views.
you can do and say what the fuck you want at your church, but not in a regulated business industry.
so no wall?
InigoMontoya
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But how exactly did he 'violate his civil rights'? I don't in any way agree with what he did. But a business has a right to refuse service to any individual for any reason. And we as individuals have a right to either give that business our money or not. I feel like what I said might give the impression I'm excusing the baker in some way. To clarify. I am in NO WAY excusing or saying what he did was okay. But he didn't physically attack them, and as far as I know he wasn't verbally abusive in any way, if I'm missing a part of this story where he was more than just a guy with kinda backwards beliefs hit me up with a link and I'll retract my statement. He simply said that due to his beliefs he could not do it. So wouldn't we be violating HIS civil rights if we forced him to do so against his beliefs anyways?
PCXV
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Another person that doesn't understand common core.Ah common core. The idea that 2+2 can be 7 as long as you can explain your answer.
But I see way more party talk so far. So let's talk parties. I see people doing exactly what I first mentioned. Blanket statements of dislike and disagreement. I'm a libertarian. (Whatever that means anymore) But you know what I think about both Democrats and Republicans? We all want to make America better. The place we see most in line with our ideals. We just have different ideas of exactly what it is and how to accomplish it. And religion. I get it. It's annoying as all hell when people take it too far and try and shove it down your throat or force you to believe what they do or be cast aside. But again. The basis of religion is love, and being a good person. Again, we may disagree on things, but that doesn't mean that the people who believe different than you are inferior. Too much now a days it's easy to see only the bad side of something. Especially if that's all that's going around. This 'I'm right you're wrong' mentality is tearing us all apart and the rift is growing bigger and bigger. It's a line in the sand and we're all squaring up to it. Everyone uses the excuse of freedom of speech. You're free to say anything you want in our beautiful english language and you choose to use words to be a dick about the whole thing?
P.S. I did both pubic school and home school. I'm not a socially stunted retard from homeschooling. And I know many people who can say the same. That's another completely un needed thing to be said. Just an excuse to insult someone. Damn guys..
I never said all homeschooled kids are indoctrinated in religious dogma and fall behind their public schooled counterpart, I said some are/do, which is true.
Part of religious dogma, at least in regards to Christianity, is always having to be the victim. I've seen you post asking if others think they are better than you several times, and it makes me wonder about your background (not in an insulting way). To answer your general line of questioning, insulting has only come after positions and tactics have been established. The libertarians refuse to temper their views, whereas most of the rest of us support a third way of a mixed economy (public and private sectors). A decent portion of Americans are hardlined against any government, especially one that promotes humanist, liberal values. They are virtually nihilists when it comes to politics, blaming both sides but not-so-secretly defending Republicans as they consciously or sub-consciously identify with the right-wing dogma of oligarchical greed, bigotry, xenophobia, and misanthropy. Deplorables is the best way to describe them, as they are iredeemable by either choice of nature; they want to see it all burn and thus their only goal is muddy the conversation with empty platitudes within logic fallacies. Libertarianism is retarded.
InigoMontoya
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No, no wall. But a huge part of the fabric of America is religious freedom. I don't think that they should refuse service. But if a business can tell me to leave for not being properly dressed, why not a belief that they hold deeply? It's my right as a consumer to go elsewhere. If I don't like it to bad. I'll give em hell on Yelp and move on.
Sour Wreck
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they were fined. that's ok with me, or forfeit your business license.
why not just make a shitty cake, doh !!!!!!