Padawanbater2
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It has nothing to do with what I said
Cornel West Isn't Impressed With Barack Obama, Either
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abandonconflict
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Yeah but he would have won though if he had not lost.
UncleBuck
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what you said: Most actual progressives didn't cast their vote for Clinton because she voted for the Iraq war, for the Patriot Act, and supported outsourcing American jobs by supporting the TPP
what actually happened: russ feingold voted against the iraq war, against the patriot act, and did not support TPP
the result: russ feingold lost in wisconsin by a greater margin than clinton did
you are shit fucking stupid kid.
Padawanbater2
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Where is the correlation of Feingold's stances regarding Iraq, the Patriot Act and the TPP translating to his loss in Wisconsin?
You're implying he lost to Johnson because he voted against the Iraq war, against the Patriot Act, and against the TPP.
Where is the evidence for that?
Alison Lundergan Grimes lost to the most disliked congressman in the country by trying to appeal to the center. Hillary Clinton lost to the most disliked presidential candidate in history by trying to appeal to the center.. How many Democratic politicians have to lose by trying to be Republican light before you realize it's a losing political strategy?
UncleBuck
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just stop you fucking clown.
Padawanbater2
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This happens every time
You get owned, then fall back to defeatism
Why do you even step up? It never works out for you and you just end up embarrassing yourself further
UncleBuck
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yep. i got owned alright.
you said most actual progressives didn't cast their vote for Clinton because she voted for the Iraq war, for the Patriot Act, and supported outsourcing American jobs by supporting the TPP
i pointed out that russ feingold voted the opposite way and lost by more than clinton.
fucking owned so hard. just like that time you tried to claim clinton only won the working class because trump was her opponent, and then i pointed out tha clinton also won the working class handily against bernie. total self ownage.
you delusional fucking clown.
Padawanbater2
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You got owned by failing to address this post;
and instead you ran away like a complete bitch
see4
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So what do you propose? Israelis lay down and submit to be eradicated?
Fogdog
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see4
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Yes, it is a very reliable source of information regarding Israel, an Israeli telling their side of the story, first hand.
It's biased for you, because you don't agree. But those are the facts I have, perhaps you could give me some first hand experience? No, nothing? Thought not.
see4
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Hypocrisyism?
Padawanbater2
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A two state solution, equal human rights, the abandonment of religious ideals that divide peoples
see4
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And I wish for world peace and love on earth. And that everyone gets a free Ferrari.
Try again.
(Though I fear you may miss the point of this exercise)
Padawanbater2
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You're presenting a false dichotomy; either Israel continues to murder innocent civilians at an 80% rate or they lay down and die...
Howbout Israel stops murdering innocent civilians?
see4
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Looks to me that Hamas is using civilians in Gaza and bordering areas as "cover". As they lob missiles into Israel, Israel lobs them back over from which they came.
Of the 160 who died, 133 were civilian, but 26 were active participating militants.
I get it, civilian casualties are awful, and should never happen. But tell that to the Hamas who use innocent people as cover. It doesn't just happen in Hamas controlled areas, look at Al-Qaeda, Taliban and ISIS (Syria specifically).
Again, should they lay down their arms and simply let themselves be killed?
Padawanbater2
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The problem as I see it is over two points; 1. Who owns what? and 2. Who started it?
Point 1 requires an actual diplomatic solution. The issue being based in religion, don't hold your breath. Point 2 can be solved, it just requires the right government and the right leader. Someone who genuinely believes and influences his people to believe that violence is wrong, regardless of who initiated it. Someone who knows the cycle of violence will not stop until they stop it.
Who owns what hinges on geopolitical power. Someone seeking actual peace doesn't care about their position in world affairs around the globe. Someone seeking geopolitical dominance absolutely seeks power and control over regions of the globe.
It's pretty easy to condemn a subjugated people half a world away for resorting to violence when they have no other option
see4
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I understand your point of view and how you feel about it. However, it is easy for us to cast judgement while we sit here half way around the world not really experiencing what is happening. Have you ever felt oppressed? I mean really truly oppressed? I know I haven't, I couldn't begin to explain how both the Israelis and innocent Palestinians feel.
What I do know is that Hamas, Shiite, Sunni, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Iran, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan... ah fuck it, the entire Middle East wants Israel and its people gone. You back a dog into a corner, it's gunna bite. It's gunna bite whomever puts its hand out. Right now, that's Palestine.
What is the "diplomatic solution"?
You should probably rewrite that, unless you mean to have absolutely no empathy.
MarWan
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so you have to get beaten up and raped to know how a rape victim would feel? was that your logic?
see4
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No, I meant exactly what I said. I'm neither Israeli nor Palestinian nor a Muslim. I don't know what it's like to be oppressed like them. So I can't begin to speak to how "they" feel. They, meaning the Palestinians or Israelis or Muslims. And unless you are any of the aforementioned and live or have lived in that area, you don't either.
Using your poor example of analogy, would you agree that if you've never been raped, you wouldn't have the slightest idea what it feels like to be raped? Don't be silly.