What the heck is going on with pot prices?

[Budley Doright]

Yeah, I thought that was funny. One budshot of a gorgeous bud and dude is talking about throwing the whole plant in the trash and starting over because it won't produce a gazillion grams per watt.

The whole picture thing makes me smile. I love a good bud porn pic as much as anyone but pics mean fuck all re potency IMO. I've got pics of some of my shitty plants that look like top shelf fire, in reality they suck lol.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

The whole picture thing makes me smile. I love a good bud porn pic as much as anyone but pics mean fuck all re potency IMO. I've got pics of some of my shitty plants that look like top shelf fire, in reality they suck lol.

Odds are if it looks killer it probably is but, yeah, it can go either way. This guy wants to sound off about someones garden based on a pic of a single bud and all it tells me is to be skeptical of the guys judgement in general.

 

[Budley Doright]

R 22 is around 800 to 1000 a tank right now and the TXV from carrier has been around 100 to 110 dollars each, ideas able to pump the refrigerant into the condenser he wouldn't have to recover and re charge , for just a TXV valve replacement the price is about correct but where I'm from 2 lbs of r 22 runs that retail.
Then you have your license bonds insurance trucks . It costs a fortune just to be in business. So you have to charge . All there is to it,
Five ton compressors by themselves run around 850 to 1400 dollars ,
12 lbs of 22 at 150 dollars. labor ,
Yea it's expensive .

R 22 is around 800 to 1000 a tank right now and the TXV from carrier has been around 100 to 110 dollars each, ideas able to pump the refrigerant into the condenser he wouldn't have to recover and re charge , for just a TXV valve replacement the price is about correct but where I'm from 2 lbs of r 22 runs that retail.
Then you have your license bonds insurance trucks . It costs a fortune just to be in business. So you have to charge . All there is to it,
Five ton compressors by themselves run around 850 to 1400 dollars ,
12 lbs of 22 at 150 dollars. labor ,
Yea it's expensive .

I said it was under parts warranty and reclaimed the refrigerant, and reused. no need to pump down. So that was pure labor at $125 per. Yup it's an expensive world we live in lol. As for the 22, It was 410, wouldn't even consider repairing a unit that used r22, time to replace or retrofit. Watch this .

 

[Budley Doright]

Odds are if it looks killer it probably is but, yeah, it can go either way. This guy wants to sound off about someones garden based on a pic of a single bud and all it tells me is to be skeptical of the guys judgement in general.

I'm not sure about the odds thing, I hated statistics lol. All that's needed is look at a pic of an auto. Typically covered in triches but nope it's shit lol. Again I like looking at em but I don't put much stock in a pic.

 

[Budley Doright]

The system I was talking about used fans to pull hot air from up by the peak through perforated culvert a few feet deep under the greenhouse. It stores the best in the ground and the cooling of the air fries it out by condensing the moisture. The perforations let it drain. Later when the greenhouse is colder the cool air pulls the best back out of the ground. It's also good for bringing up your average soil temp in the cool season but takes a couple of seasons because of how much thermal mass is there and because the heat is being cycled in and out of the ground.

You could also use a water cooled co2 generator or even just an inline water heater hooked up to a co2 regulator for the hydronic floor heating. There's also cogeneration. It has to be done at a minimum scale to be efficient but a propane generator can be fitted with heat exchangers and catalytic converters to power the equipment and provide heat and co2 from the exhaust. There are alson insulated heat storage tanks that are basically just huge water tanks that let store that heat for when you need it.

Most of these things are at least fairly expensive to set up and only so efficient on their own but if a complete system were built using these features it would be untouchable. One of my favorites was the guy who daisy chained a few new car radiators together and built his compost pile on top. It was basically an on demand water heater that didn't use gas or electricity. A farm with enough turn over and scraps could potentially just use composting to power their hydronic floor heat.

Lots of farmers here are converting to biogas boilers to heat barns, etc. Lots of free gas from cow shit lol.

 

[max420thc]

I thought they were talking about the guy that I had to put on ignore.

Dude I am a blunt dick with no concerns for anyone's feeling , there are times I accidently insult people with my bluntness . In many cases I try to be helpful bit people take it as being insulting ,
Kind of tough shit though because I won't change my ways ,
People often need to hear the blunt truth.

 

[max420thc]

Yep, people that want the best price buy their produce at Wal-Mart. People who want quality buy from local farmers markets.

I have to say this . If you are a small local grower Wal Mart will buy your product bit they do not pay as well as the farmers market so the best goes to the market
A lot of things i do not like about Wal Mart but they do try to support the local community when it comes es to produce and things of that nature .
Back to growing mushrooms , they would probably buy all you had,
Unless freeze dried mushroom must be used at once or they go bad fast . So the only way to get them is to buy them local , it's hard to ship fresh mushrooms. .

 

[max420thc]

I said it was under parts warranty and reclaimed the refrigerant, and reused. no need to pump down. So that was pure labor at $125 per. Yup it's an expensive world we live in lol. As for the 22, It was 410, wouldn't even consider repairing a unit that used r22, time to replace or retrofit. Watch this .

I will repair a unit with r22 if it is a small repair , 500 to put 4 pounds of 22 in vs
4000 for a new system , I gave customers that option

 

[max420thc]

I said it was under parts warranty and reclaimed the refrigerant, and reused. no need to pump down. So that was pure labor at $125 per. Yup it's an expensive world we live in lol. As for the 22, It was 410, wouldn't even consider repairing a unit that used r22, time to replace or retrofit. Watch this .

This is hilarious , thanks I needed a good laugh

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I have to say this . If you are a small local grower Wal Mart will buy your product bit they do not pay as well as the farmers market so the best goes to the market
A lot of things i do not like about Wal Mart but they do try to support the local community when it comes es to produce and things of that nature .
Back to growing mushrooms , they would probably buy all you had,
Unless freeze dried mushroom must be used at once or they go bad fast . So the only way to get them is to buy them local , it's hard to ship fresh mushrooms. .

You're right that walmart does a good job of maintaining a selection of quality local produce. In my area there's a farmer's market in every corner of town and they all sell out by the end of day so there's no need to take the hit by selling to walmart.

 

[max420thc]

You're right that walmart does a good job of maintaining a selection of quality local produce. In my area there's a farmer's market in every corner of town and they all sell out by the end of day so there's no need to take the hit by selling to walmart.

At our local farmers market they only bring a limited amount of produce. Pick up truck full to the market every day.
If you produce a lot more than that walmart will purchase everything you have. So it's not really a hit.
It is just a outlet for your overages you may have to turn a little extra profit .
I completely agree though sale as much as you can at the farmers market of you have anything left over to Wal Mart so it does not go to waste.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I have to say this . If you are a small local grower Wal Mart will buy your product bit they do not pay as well as the farmers market so the best goes to the market
A lot of things i do not like about Wal Mart but they do try to support the local community when it comes es to produce and things of that nature .
Back to growing mushrooms , they would probably buy all you had,
Unless freeze dried mushroom must be used at once or they go bad fast . So the only way to get them is to buy them local , it's hard to ship fresh mushrooms. .

I've grown oyster and shiitake mushrooms and commercially harvested wild chanterells, matsutaki, and what ever happened show up on the hunt. I also took a third year biology course on identifying wild mushrooms that was led by one of the leading researchers in the world at the time.

Mycoremediation is catching on, there's research going on to use mycelium inoculated materials to produce composites to replace plastics, and mushrooms are a vital link in any sustainable farming model.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

At our local farmers market they only bring a limited amount of produce. Pick up truck full to the market every day.
If you produce a lot more than that walmart will purchase everything you have. So it's not really a hit.
It is just a outlet for your overages you may have to turn a little extra profit .
I completely agree though sale as much as you can at the farmers market of you have anything left over to Wal Mart so it does not go to waste.

Yeah, you're right about the sales at farmers markets not being the whole harvest for most producers. I'd leave Wal-Mart for a last resort but they're there when you need them.

 

[max420thc]

I've grown oyster and shiitake mushrooms and commercially harvested wild chanterells, matsutaki, and what ever happened show up on the hunt. I also took a third year biology course on identifying wild mushrooms that was led by one of the leading researchers in the world at the time.

Mycoremediation is catching on, there's research going on to use mycelium inoculated materials to produce composites to replace plastics, and mushrooms are a vital link in any sustainable farming model.

People think the only way to earn good money is to grow pot .
Mushrooms and lots of other plants such as Holly are high value crops also.
This spring I am setting up a large mushroom grow inside of a pole barn I am having built this spring sometime
It will be super insulated. I am going to take old walk in cooler insulated metal sheathed panels and a refrigeration unit and get it set up.
I will have to use a refresher still system to get the temps low enough for some strains of mushrooms apparently.
You sound like the guy that could really help me when I get the ball rolling.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

Lots of farmers here are converting to biogas boilers to heat barns, etc. Lots of free gas from cow shit lol.

There are also generators that produce power and biochar at the same time.

 

[max420thc]

Yeah, you're right about the sales at farmers markets not being the whole harvest for most producers. I'd leave Wal-Mart for a last resort but they're there when you need them.

All the other stores will buy your product also. There is no shortage of outlets for your product and little competition

 

[ANC]

Someone could gatecrash the party with two $150 HPS lights and get into the game if they know how to spend their money.
You are not going to build much of a pole barn for $300.

I grew this bad boy.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

People think the only way to earn good money is to grow pot .
Mushrooms and lots of other plants such as Holly are high value crops also.
This spring I am setting up a large mushroom grow inside of a pole barn I am having built this spring sometime
It will be super insulated. I am going to take old walk in cooler insulated metal sheathed panels and a refrigeration unit and get it set up.
I will have to use a refresher still system to get the temps low enough for some strains of mushrooms apparently.
You sound like the guy that could really help me when I get the ball rolling.

The class was 19 years ago and the mushroom growing was small scale hobby level stuff with my dad when I was a kid so even though I do know a good amount of general inormation is have to do my own due diligence before I could really put that foot forward.

That said you mostly need to make sure that you can maintain a consistent temp and humidity and be sure that the co2 from the mycelium rolls off and doesn't pool in a way that can suffocate the fruiting mass. As far as I know that and their minimum requirements for light are pretty much it except for their specific needs as far as substrate material and temperature/moisture level. Of course it has to be set up in a way to control for contaminants and you'll need a lab grade space for sterile procedure standards for propagation but it's not nearly as complicated or as expensive as the bunch of big words make it sound.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

All the other stores will buy your product also. There is no shortage of outlets for your product and little competition

Exactly, we have six other chain stores including grocery and department stores along with the small local stores before we even get to talking about marketing to resteraunts. Being in a campus town with another one about 45 minutes away and less than two hours from each of our two other biggest markets it would'nt be much of an issue.

 

[max420thc]

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Someone could gatecrash the party with two $150 HPS lights and get into the game if they know how to spend their money.
You are not going to build much of a pole barn for $300.

I grew this bad boy.

I figure it going to run me around 50k to build the pole barn , 30 x80 or so in size
Nice mushroom