Drunk driving to be largely decriminalized in Alberta in 2018

gb123

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mmadd is for this because they drink and drive...


Changes are coming to the way drunk drivers are policed and prosecuted in Alberta with the provincial government set to issue a directive to police that will largely decriminalize impaired driving, CBC News has learned.

Officers will be given wide discretion whether to criminally charge those who blow over the legal limit. But, for the most part, first time offenders will see roadside administrative sanctions rather than face criminal charges according to CBC sources.

The model Alberta is working toward looks much like British Columbia's, with fines, roadside towing and licence suspensions issued by police instead of criminal charges being laid.

The changes follow an Alberta Court of Appeal decision in May that struck down existing drunk driving laws. The province's top court found tying the suspension of a driver's licence to the outcome of their court case was unconstitutional.

The NDP government was given one year to introduce new legislation. The first round of changes passed in November.

Under Bill 29, drivers who blow over the legal limit will see their licences suspended for three months. After that they can get their licence back if they join the interlock program for one year. If they refuse, their licence remains suspended for another 12 months.

As it is now, the current legislation ties administrative sanctions like licence suspensions to criminal charges. But Bill 29 makes no mention of criminal charges, which sources say is designed to allow the province to decide whether to criminally prosecute impaired drivers.

Alberta Transportation wouldn't confirm what changes 2018 will bring but did say in a written statement to CBC News that it and other ministries are "looking at options and talking to key stakeholder groups, including law enforcement."

A spokesperson confirmed further changes are coming.

"We expect to develop options for consideration during 2018," said Julie MacIsaac with the provincial ministry.

Defence lawyers say the proposed process doesn't respect the presumption of innocence.

"Do we want a society where police officers are essentially charging, trying and convicting at the side of the road and the citizen doesn't get due process?" said Greg Dunn, a Calgary defence lawyer. "It's not the judge making the determination, it's not a jury making the determination, it's the police making the determination."

But the idea of decriminalizing impaired driving is supported by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD).

In Alberta, impaired driving prosecutions take up 40 per cent of trial time in provincial court; cases can be complicated, often involve charter challenges, are defended by specialized lawyers and routinely appealed.

MADD believes not only will the changes unclog the court system, allowing prosecutors to prioritize the more serious impaired driving offences, it's hopeful the number of people who drink and drive will decrease.

Prosecutions are "cumbersome and time consuming," says Calgary chapter president Karen Harrison, whose brother was killed in 2012 by a repeat drunk driver with a blood-alcohol level three times the legal limit.



Harrison believes administrative sanctions will serve as a strong deterrent.

"A lot of people will be hit pretty hard in the pocketbook, and that's a big lesson."

There's no word yet on what the plan is for drivers who blow way over the legal limit or are involved in accidents while impaired.

'Motivated by dollars and cents'
Tim Foster, who specializes in impaired driving law, says he's "offended that people will be automatically guilty without a trial or any meaningful appeal process."

Foster says the B.C. model is faulty, pointing to an incident in 2010 when more than 2,000 roadside screening devices (breathalizers) were recalled because they had been improperly calibrated.

Defence lawyers believe the government's decisions are being driven by dollars.

"I think it's entirely motivated by dollars and cents," said Dunn. "The government is looking for ways to save money."
 

VIANARCHRIS

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The model Alberta is working toward looks much like British Columbia's, with fines, roadside towing and licence suspensions issued by police instead of criminal charges being laid.
Since when? This is the first I've heard of it - and I've lived here for 30+ years...
 

Rusher

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Fine the living shit out of everybody instead of a courtroom eh?

Mo' money, Mo' money....

But really. They're doing it to protect people and ease the burden on the courts..... HAHAHAHHA!

I couldnt do it. Not with a straight face.

Own that shit! It's about money, nothing else. Don't candy coat it.
 

driel

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thats because despite increasing fines, punishment and all kinds of public awareness campaigns, there aren't less people drinking. Its almost like the government is totally clueless as to who lives in Alberta. They're effectively throwing their hands up.
 

Farmer.J

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At Tuesday’s Regular Council Meeting, Bonnyville Town Council received a presentation from a pair who hope to open the first cannabis dispensary in Bonnyville; Spirit Leaf. Thya Savisky and Kyle Sargent spoke to Council about their plans to open the dispensary once it is legal to do so. The pair also wanted to hear from Council if there were any questions or concerns moving forward that may impede their plans. Mayor of Bonnyville, Gene Sobolewski, told the pair that it’s a waiting game, “we’re directed by legislation from the Province. So until we receive that we can only wait”.



Savisky and Sargent plan to open a franchise chain, Spirit Leaf, explains Savisky, “as you’re all aware, cannabis is slated to become legal in 2018 and we would like the Town of Bonnyville to be part of this exciting new industry”. Plans are to open Spirit Leaf at the same location as Savisky’s other businesses, Lakeland Arctic Spa and Cheap Smokes & Cigars. The store would be separate from the other businesses, with separate entrances and enclosed spaces. “We plan to sell cannabis in a legalized, regulated environment.” The franchise has over 90 location planned in Canada (Saskatchewan, Alberta & British Columbia), once legalization comes through; there is only one location planned for Bonnyville.

“A few things we know so far, which is not a lot, from the Canadian Government. Legalization will happen in the summer of 2018, not July 1st as originally stated,” as Savisky explains not a lot of information has been given to the franchise, public or communities on when and how legalization will happen. She does have some information on the revenue split, “the tax revenues will be split 75-25, with 75 percent going to the Province. This will help pay for increased demands on law enforcement, bylaw laws, public education and administration”.



“We also know that cannabis will not be allowed to be sold in places that sell tobacco, alcohol or pharmaceuticals,” with knowledge of that, Savisky and Sargent have made plans to renovate the existing space at the Lakeland Arctic Spa building to accommodate for separate entrances and enclosed, separate retail spaces. Further they are planning to increase security measures with alarm systems, cameras, and metal roll-downs for the entrance. Sargent explains, “we will take some space away from Arctic Spas”.

There will also be measures taken for minors. Minors will not be permitted in the store and everyone will be ID’d upon entry. Further the store is set-up in such a way that Savisky assures, “no one under 18 [years of age] will be able to look in window or doors to see any product. There will be zero-visibility.”

Spirit Leaf has three main distributors lined up for growing marijuana, says Sargent, “one of them being Aurora; which is the company that’s building the greenhouses outside of the airport, in Edmonton. Two others in British Columbia.” There are no plans in the works to have a marijuana grow operation near Bonnyville; from Spirit Leaf or any other investors, at this time.

Savisky and Sargent hope to work with the Town and the community to educate the public on their soon-to-be store and the use of cannabis marijuana. The Town of Bonnyville has had some preliminary discussions on the marijuana legalization, this year; however has not been able to do much due to lack of information being passed down from the Provincial and Federal Governments. Mayor Sobolewski says it’s a waiting game, “I want to make sure everyone is aware, we get our marching orders from the Province. We have to make sure that when you’re ready to go the Province has actually given us direction.”
 

Rob Roy

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While drunk driving isn't a great idea, it doesn't mean there has automatically been a crime committed against another person or another persons property. Plenty of drunks make it home safely while some do cause damage to others.

Just cause a guy is sporting a hard on, doesn't mean he's raped somebody does it?
 

CalyxCrusher

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While drunk driving isn't a great idea, it doesn't mean there has automatically been a crime committed against another person or another persons property. Plenty of drunks make it home safely while some do cause damage to others.

Just cause a guy is sporting a hard on, doesn't mean he's raped somebody does it?
So due to the fucking morons that made it home alright drunk driving we should forget the ones that have killed people due to their ignorance?Oh and by the way the crime committed is drinking under the influence, regardless of if another person is injured or not. That's a pretty fucking weak and hugely lazy arguement to justify driving drunk. So why try and justify it? Supporter?
 

VIANARCHRIS

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While drunk driving isn't a great idea, it doesn't mean there has automatically been a crime committed against another person or another persons property. Plenty of drunks make it home safely while some do cause damage to others.

Just cause a guy is sporting a hard on, doesn't mean he's raped somebody does it?
And just because a guy on meth is running around your kids' school with a gun, it also doesn't mean a crime has been committed against people or property. It's still illegal and we don't want that risk to the public.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has lost friends to drunk driving - your comment was just stupid.
 

OLD MOTHER SATIVA

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alcohol kills piles of people...and makes em crazy too...throw the book at em

ps bro
cbc staged/fake news on the girl/hijab thing....police said it was all untrue after actually investigating

.and the girl/her burka mother

lied their sorry asses off..

get the real truth from rebelmedia.org

ps
not flaunting ..dude....just trying to get you to see..
 
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gb123

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alcohol kills piles of people...and makes em crazy too...throw the book at em

ps bro
cbc staged/fake news on the girl/hijab thing....police said it was all untrue after actually investigating

.and the girl/her burka mother

lied their sorry asses off..

get the real truth from rebelmedia.org

ps
not flaunting ..dude....just trying to get you to see..
holy fuck...:cuss:



Madd was at my Sons school.


A lot of the young students went at them with... :-P

"what is considered impaired? " and
How come people can drive after drinking.
and that it is Zero tolerance when it comes to smoking which has no set level of impairment or is there any evidence of anyone being killed!?
and the majority of these kids don't even burn FFS lol..

...even kids see through their BS lying ways.(:
 
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Rob Roy

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So due to the fucking morons that made it home alright drunk driving we should forget the ones that have killed people due to their ignorance?Oh and by the way the crime committed is drinking under the influence, regardless of if another person is injured or not. That's a pretty fucking weak and hugely lazy arguement to justify driving drunk. So why try and justify it? Supporter?

If you have a hard on and rape somebody, you created an actual harm didn't you? If you have a hard on and got home safely with it and then choked it into submission, that's your business.

I'm not justifying drunk driving, I don't think it's a good idea, but if the drunk driver hasn't caused any property damage on a road he is alleged to part owner of , who would he compensate if he didn't cause a harm to anyone while driving on a road he is alleged to part owner of?

I think you meant to say, "driving under the influence" rather than "drinking under the influence", right?

I think people should stop claiming the road is owned by "everyone" , since it obviously isn't. Plus I'm fishing.


And just because a guy on meth is running around your kids' school with a gun, it also doesn't mean a crime has been committed against people or property. It's still illegal and we don't want that risk to the public.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has lost friends to drunk driving - your comment was just stupid.
Well, now we're getting somewhere. Thanks for your response. If you owned that school, you should be able to make the rules concerning it right? So, if you didn't own the school, you might expect to have nothing to do with it, including being forced to pay for it. Does that sound reasonable?
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Well, now we're getting somewhere. Thanks for your response. If you owned that school, you should be able to make the rules concerning it right? So, if you didn't own the school, you might expect to have nothing to do with it, including being forced to pay for it. Does that sound reasonable?
Huh? I DO own the schools. I also own the roads along with every other tax paying Canadian. Society has rules for a reason, and most of us understand that and accept it. Your argument is completelyout in left field and you sound like a kid rather than a reasonable adult. You shoulda stayed in school.....
 

CalyxCrusher

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If you have a hard on and rape somebody, you created an actual harm didn't you? If you have a hard on and got home safely with it and then choked it into submission, that's your business.
Do you know what logical fallacy is?
The problem with your presented argument is that having a hardon is not illegal, raping someone is. Operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol is illegal, regardless of injury to a person or property. If you did, those would be charges in ADDITION to your DUI.

And no I didnt mean to simply say under the influence because you specifically decided to mention alcohol, which is why I used it.

Big swing and a miss there........
 
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Rob Roy

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Huh? I DO own the schools. I also own the roads along with every other tax paying Canadian. Society has rules for a reason, and most of us understand that and accept it. Your argument is completelyout in left field and you sound like a kid rather than a reasonable adult. You shoulda stayed in school.....
If everyone else owns the roads, does everyone have an equal decision in how they will use them? How does that work?

If my argument is invalid, could you tell me what you think my argument is?
 

Rob Roy

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Do you know what logical fallacy is?
The problem with your presented argument is that having a hardon is not illegal, raping someone is. Operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol is illegal, regardless of injury to a person or property. If you did, those would be charges in ADDITION to your DUI.

And no I didnt mean to simply say under the influence because you specifically decided to mention alcohol, which is why I used it.

Big swing and a miss there........
Yes, I know what a logical fallacy is. So, if a person breaks a law, that alone provides the evidence necessary to say that the law breaker has harmed somebody?
 
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