CONFIRMED: Mueller admits no collusion at Trump Tower meeting

Huckster79

Huckster79

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Third time in history of MLK day the POTUS didnt do something special to honor it. First was 89 it fell two days before Reagan left office and in 1991 due to the first Gulf War, and today- cuz he was golfing....

How can the magaminions not see the total depravity of anything good in this thing called trump? How? I want to ask tbem, How can you even see a flicker of good in this worthless sob? Let alone the sickening loyalty you give this fool! I just dont freeking get it
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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londonfog said:
too awful. But we have executed someone innocent, Question is how many ? No system is error proof. Especially people judging others. Only fools think that.
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True. It's just that so many carry the torch for that waste of human life Willingham when he was stone cold guilty as hell of killing those kids. Drives me nuts people believe the bullshit claims on that case by the defense.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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TacoMac said:
True. It's just that so many carry the torch for that waste of human life Willingham when he was stone cold guilty as hell of killing those kids. Drives me nuts people believe the bullshit claims on that case by the defense.
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No-one should be executed, ever.

I've always thought it bizarre that some people consider death as a way to protect life.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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SneekyNinja said:
That was a war. I don't believe the leaders should've been executed though.
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It's no different at all. One man had a vision to exterminate the Jews. Others of like thinking followed along.

What's the difference between a few killing a multitude and one killing a few other than the scale?

Are you suggesting that it takes 6 million Jews of all ages to equate to three white, American children?

Because that is in fact the argument you are making.

It's rare, given the sheer multitude of people on this planet, but there are those who simply should not be permitted to live because they forfeit that right by their taking of the lives of others.

One of the few "decently honest" killers to be put to death said it best when he confessed that had he not been caught, he'd still be killing. He went on to say if not on death row and kept in solitary under the strictest of safety measures, he would have killed anybody he could have, he simply didn't have the opportunity.

In the end, Ted Bundy was killed because he was pure evil. There is no redemption for that level of evil any more than there was for Hitler or any other of the SS assholes that sent millions to their deaths.

If you show a blatant, wanton disregard for life, you give up the right to yours. It's just that simple.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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That must be why Mueller is squeezing Manafort's, Kushner's and Jr's balls in a vice, no collusion my ass! Wonder why they had all those meetings with the russians and tried to hide it?
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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TacoMac said:
It's no different at all. One man had a vision to exterminate the Jews. Others of like thinking followed along.

What's the difference between a few killing a multitude and one killing a few other than the scale?

Are you suggesting that it takes 6 million Jews of all ages to equate to three white, American children?

Because that is in fact the argument you are making.

It's rare, given the sheer multitude of people on this planet, but there are those who simply should not be permitted to live because they forfeit that right by their taking of the lives of others.

One of the few "decently honest" killers to be put to death said it best when he confessed that had he not been caught, he'd still be killing. He went on to say if not on death row and kept in solitary under the strictest of safety measures, he would have killed anybody he could have, he simply didn't have the opportunity.

In the end, Ted Bundy was killed because he was pure evil. There is no redemption for that level of evil any more than there was for Hitler or any other of the SS assholes that sent millions to their deaths.

If you show a blatant, wanton disregard for life, you give up the right to yours. It's just that simple.
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If you support summarily executing people then you're no better than they are.

No offense but it is never moral to kill someone, your bloodlust is the same as theirs.

Small, cold, dark cell in solitary getting 3 bowls of oatmeal a day...how is killing preferable to that?
 
TacoMac

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SneekyNinja said:
If you support summarily executing people then you're no better than they are.
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Who ever mentioned summary executions?

I don't think you understand how the death penalty works here. Here's the Layman's breakdown:
  • A crime must be designated as a death penalty crime. These are limited to the most egregious of crimes - aggravated and capitol murder are chief among them.
  • A trial is conducted to determine guilt or innocence.
  • On a guilty verdict, dependent on state, either the jury votes or the judge determines if the criteria and evidence in the trial meet the requirements for the death penalty to be applied.
  • IF the requirements have all been met, it moves to sentencing.
  • Depending on jurisdiction, the judge determines or jury votes on whether to apply the death penalty.
  • IF the death penalty is applied, the prisoner is remanded to death row and awaits execution: the appeals process begins.
  • The first appeal will be to the same court that determined the case.
  • If that appeal is over ruled, it will then move to the state court of appeals.
  • The state court of appeals will review the case in its entirety.
  • If the state court of appeals upholds the conviction and sentence, then the appeal moves on to the federal court of appeals (whichever circuit applies depending on local).
  • The federal circuit court of appeals with review the case and sentence.
  • If the federal circuit court of appeals upholds the conviction and sentence, there is only one court left to appeal to: The United States Supreme Court.
  • The odds of the U.S. Supreme Court reviewing a death penalty case are about zero UNLESS their is CLEAR EVIDENCE OF WRONG DOING IN THE CASE SOMEWHERE.
  • There is only one avenue left: appeal to the governor of the state for clemency.
So, as you can see, it's about as far removed from "summary execution" as you can get. The process takes YEARS, sometimes DECADES to complete.

In fact, most of those sentenced to death die of old age long before they are ever executed.

The man that killed my childhood friend was on death row for 23 years before he died of colon cancer before they could execute him.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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TacoMac said:
Who ever mentioned summary executions?

I don't think you understand how the death penalty works here. Here's the Layman's breakdown:
  • A crime must be designated as a death penalty crime. These are limited to the most egregious of crimes - aggravated and capitol murder are chief among them.
  • A trial is conducted to determine guilt or innocence.
  • On a guilty verdict, dependent on state, either the jury votes or the judge determines if the criteria and evidence in the trial meet the requirements for the death penalty to be applied.
  • IF the requirements have all been met, it moves to sentencing.
  • Depending on jurisdiction, the judge determines or jury votes on whether to apply the death penalty.
  • IF the death penalty is applied, the prisoner is remanded to death row and awaits execution: the appeals process begins.
  • The first appeal will be to the same court that determined the case.
  • If that appeal is over ruled, it will then move to the state court of appeals.
  • The state court of appeals will review the case in its entirety.
  • If the state court of appeals upholds the conviction and sentence, then the appeal moves on to the federal court of appeals (whichever circuit applies depending on local).
  • The federal circuit court of appeals with review the case and sentence.
  • If the federal circuit court of appeals upholds the conviction and sentence, there is only one court left to appeal to: The United States Supreme Court.
  • The odds of the U.S. Supreme Court reviewing a death penalty case are about zero UNLESS their is CLEAR EVIDENCE OF WRONG DOING IN THE CASE SOMEWHERE.
  • There is only one avenue left: appeal to the governor of the state for clemency.
So, as you can see, it's about as far removed from "summary execution" as you can get. The process takes YEARS, sometimes DECADES to complete.

In fact, most of those sentenced to death die of old age long before they are ever executed.

The man that killed my childhood friend was on death row for 23 years before he died of colon cancer before they could execute him.
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How many innocent people have we executed?

1 innocent person killed is too many for it to be worth it.

And I said summarily execute because you seem to make the arbitrary decision that certain people "need" executing.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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SneekyNinja said:
No-one should be executed, ever.

I've always thought it bizarre that some people consider death as a way to protect life.
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I understand that believe me, but when some fuck hurts a child and is caught red handed (and even admits it ) I tend to rethink my thinking on execution. Someone like Albert fish jr. or John Wayne Gacy. The former admitted to fucking a child in every state in America, the latter had bodies buried all on his property. They need to die and everyone who covered it up or knew can die as well.
 
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