dlftmyers
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No problem man..I'll be looking forward to the updates
4 Inches is all them girls need?
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Flowki
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Nobody is saying no. We are saying this is not a brand new concept at all.. but that the man you speak of is pretty much re spinning the concept to sell pots. You don't need to prove your 4 inch rock cube will work because we already know it does, his pots are basically ''air pots'' and your cubes are basically ''air cubes'', see the connection?. What you DO need to prove is that the same results of a 4 inch pot can not be achieved using a 6 or 8 inch pot. Forget about root fill times because obviously the bigger pot is creating more roots thus should take longer. In terms of end weight, so long as both are treated the same and up potted when they are individually ready I would not bet against both being near the same weight if the seeds are of similar expression. If they are not then results will vary either way.If you READ my post i NEVER claimed ANYONE was right or wrong.
This is why im DOING IT to see.
Does this not make sense?
Im still wondering what the others i called out will say
Its quite comical that everyone says no but cant prove it
Cold$moke
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DUUHH
(Edit to add ; guys i dont give a fuck about a 4 inch vs 6 inch cube pot whatever im trying to get the drs. Results without having to try "his" pots. At the same time i might buy them IF THIS WORKS. He didnt use a 6 inch cube neither will i.
Go watch the whole lecture video and tell me why you think he doesnt use a 6 inch pot cause he gives reasons for stopping at 4 inches god damn some peoples kids.)
about the cube being an "air cube" thats why im using it.
And the responses to the rest of your comments ive already answered in my previous post basically
You still did not provide me with anything i didnt already know and you still havent convinced me otherwise (im a stubborn one
)And look in page 3 kingrow blatently said
Hes honestly tried it and it doesnt do any thing.
Also odins qoute was go ahead fuck your roots up.
So yes people DID SAY IT SHOULDNT BE DONE
Ill see for my self thanks though
Id appreciate if the naysayers dont have any photos that they just NOT post
Or
an article wrtten by ANYONE with a proper background saying it will lessen yeilds or otherwise harm the plant.
Till then please dont make this thread bigger
I havent even made it to week3 pics yet lmao
Its ok if im wrong too wouldnt be the first slice of humble pie ive had
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Flowki
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And once again I ask.. how is 4 inches the magical number for every single tree and plant species?. No matter the size of plant/tree in nature, no matter the root system or growth speed type.. they all achieve the best possible result in a 4 inch pot?.
Why are you saying ''if it works'' when we all clearly know IT DOES WORK (it's essentially air pruning + not water logging into anaerobic conditions) and we, or at least I are simply arguing the finer points. You seem intent on making this out to be some righteous venture against your own projected popular disbelief.
Btw, just because you are posting pics it does not give you any moral high ground in telling other people to put up or shut up. What you currently have is not hard to match or beat, I'll politely leave it there.
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Cold$moke
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And i didnt say mine would beat anyones
either so piss on that one.I asked for proof this doesnt increase yeilds by increasing root growth no one has any ,that i have seen thank you very much
Get off your ass and do the research like i did and youll have your answer
I dont know why you guys are hung up on this
Im doing it so there nothing eles to be said as far as im concerned
Good day
Cold$moke
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Heres the update on the seedling in the test.
Good and bad lol
Ok seedling roots are still developing.
But due to my inexperience with rockwool
I slighlty underfed them.
And they seem a little droopy cause Im not used to how much water the blocks can hold.
Basically i should have had my feed up and waterd less.
But here are the roots. Not as fuzzy as last time
Sorry for the hps lights lol
Good and bad lol
Ok seedling roots are still developing.
But due to my inexperience with rockwool
I slighlty underfed them.
And they seem a little droopy cause Im not used to how much water the blocks can hold.
Basically i should have had my feed up and waterd less.
But here are the roots. Not as fuzzy as last time
Sorry for the hps lights lol
What I like to do in rockwool cubes is take a little syringe and put a few drops of bennificial bacteria into the cube establishing a nice colony in the cube and watch them bitchs explode.The guy basically is a tree farmer and he has created the tap root modified pot THATS THE KEY.
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But im making due with 4 inch block as i dont want to put dirt in my room again at this point lol
. he also has made a light reflective air pots to keep roots happy from intense heat.
But the whole key to the super root is making the taproot into a horizontal rather than vertical system.
I got big plans for these girls.
Some will go to my rdwc and some will go to my
New meniscus membrane flood and drain table
This should let the roots grow in straight air within a dark humid chamber with either a pc fan or some air stones just to exchange air in the
Chamber.
Cant wait till the run im working on is done so i can rip out one rdwc and replace it with the meniscus setup.
Thanks for stopping in vostok
Voodoo juice was one of my favorites to do this with.
Rock wool holds moisture like crazy to much , so you have to be careful watering them. Wait till it gets close to dry you can tell they start turning a lighter color before you rewater them again
Cold$moke
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Yea plus my vpd was off in my room
I changed my humidty settings last night and they are already perking back up with the cubes fully saturated!
So i got that one licked
Also my mix has bennies in it @max420thc
But thanks for the heads up
Edit to add actually i have to double check that
I am running RAW. Grow and bloom and i cant remeber if they mix in bennies or not
I changed my humidty settings last night and they are already perking back up with the cubes fully saturated!
So i got that one licked
Also my mix has bennies in it @max420thc
But thanks for the heads up
Edit to add actually i have to double check that
I am running RAW. Grow and bloom and i cant remeber if they mix in bennies or not
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I use pure rockwool start to finish, took me a round to get use to it.
I start seeds in 4” blocks, for cuttings I cut the 4” blocks into quarters.
The trick is to soak the blocks for 10 min or so and then flick/whip the extra water out of them. I put them under a dome and you shouldnt have to touch them for some time.
To rehydrate, I find it’s better to dip the bottom inch or so in your nute solution for about 5 seconds rather then do a top feed until you pot them.
Cuttings get dipped in clone x and stuck into the quartered block then into the dome for 2 weeks.
I have have almost 100% success like this, I dont even spray the dome or monitor temps/rh of the dome. It just sits in my veg tent along with everything else.
I start seeds in 4” blocks, for cuttings I cut the 4” blocks into quarters.
The trick is to soak the blocks for 10 min or so and then flick/whip the extra water out of them. I put them under a dome and you shouldnt have to touch them for some time.
To rehydrate, I find it’s better to dip the bottom inch or so in your nute solution for about 5 seconds rather then do a top feed until you pot them.
Cuttings get dipped in clone x and stuck into the quartered block then into the dome for 2 weeks.
I have have almost 100% success like this, I dont even spray the dome or monitor temps/rh of the dome. It just sits in my veg tent along with everything else.
Cold$moke
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I do too
I soak my blocks in ph water first then i shake that out and soak
In 1/4 strength BLOOM nutes
Kelp, humic acid and b vitamins
My clones look like shit that i tried in rockwool but 100 percent survival
Still not giving up my aerocloner lmao
Ill got get an update pic soon
I soak my blocks in ph water first then i shake that out and soak
In 1/4 strength BLOOM nutes
Kelp, humic acid and b vitamins
My clones look like shit that i tried in rockwool but 100 percent survival
Still not giving up my aerocloner lmao
Ill got get an update pic soon
esh dov ets
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wonder if this effects phenotype expression.Hey all ,
After a little research I've decided to try air pruning roots of seedlings to hopefully encourage faster root growth..
If your interested look up DR. Whitcomb air pruning roots .
Lots of neat info here.
But basically he says a tap root is a evolutionary defense for plants so they can survive harsh environments by sending its tap root down deep
In search of water.
... but he says that the tap root is unnecessary in the grow room because we provide all the plant needs and is a waste of plant energy.
He says a large fiberous root system is best
I encourage to watch the video for impressive test results and im not quoting him just giving you the jist of it.
Other studies show roots can actually sense gravity and naturally go down even around obstacles (duh)
Anyways being one that always heard you need to keep that tap root happy
I never would have thought to intentionally reduce the length of the almighty tap root.
So i took 6 seeds (freebies)
Dutch passion auto blackberry kush 1
Seedism exodus 2
Seedism lemon gold drops 1
Thseeds bubblegum 1
And blimburn green crack 1
I put them in 4inch rockwool cubes that are elevated on a rack .
They popped right around Christmas
And i observed in a day or 2 the tap root went almost straight as an arrow to the bottom of the block then a few days later another ect.
Now a little over 2 weeks the blocks are filing nicley and i intend to keep them in the blocks till its mostly roots
Then i will transplant into the final systems..
Hopefully they will explode with roots since they will be allowed to grow as big as they like.
Which after seeing DR. Whitcombs results im quite hopefull
So i know other people have done this but has anyone here done it?
If so was it worth it?
I know after finding out about it from a youtube guy. Grow pot cheap .
His video is called the first 4 inches is all you need.
Hence the name of my title is a shout out to him
He grew some nice trees that where supposedly autos.
Ill post pics later as im busy today
Just seeing if anyone eles has done this
Cold$moke
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Quite possible.
But i woulf think it doesnt hide expression.
But mabey shows it in a different light
Cold$moke
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Seems like it would work just fine.
Im actually glad u started doing the trials on clones because
Im just a miserable noob with rockwool lmao
I think i should have put them in a system about
3 weeks after they started dividing roots
As i think. I might be pushing them too hard
But im very happy with the results from the cloner and on the next test i wont put it into a 4 inch cube
But will pop the seed in a 2 inch cube and as soon as the root comes out ill let it get to a total of 4 inches then
I will try manually cutting it
The clones has had its roots trimmed almost every day and the roots are getting heavy lol