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Heisengrow

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True definition of perpetual is cutting clones from vegatating plants before you flip them so you never have to keep the mother of the plant.not sure what the fuck that has to do with 3 week mismatched labels on seed packs.glad to know I can plant my clones early to shorten there flower times.wtf smh lol
 

Chunky Stool

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True definition of perpetual is cutting clones from vegatating plants before you flip them so you never have to keep the mother of the plant.not sure what the fuck that has to do with 3 week mismatched labels on seed packs.glad to know I can plant my clones early to shorten there flower times.wtf smh lol
my bad
You know what I meant... :roll:
 

Tangerine_

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I think the problem is that people think everyone else grows like they do.
Some growers really don't give a rats ass how long it takes for a crop to finish, which is fine.
Other growers turnkey (zero delay between chop & flipping new crop) and a three week discrepancy could cause major problems in the rotation.
I was looking for seeds to grow outdoors in the pacific northwest. I've gotta chop before October, ready or not.
I wanted Tomahawk for my outdoor crop, but there's no fucking way after finding out (the hard way) that it takes 70-80 days to flower...
For outdoor grows I can see this being an issue. I'm in the northeast or (zone 6) and I can get about 2 wks into Oct...as long as the heavy rains don't come along fuck shit up. But, I also ONLY grow clones outside. Its too much work to gamble a lost crop so I run them inside once to get "feel" for them. And I know this is a GP thread but I'm tellin ya, that Apollo is one quick finishing plant. 8wks and done! and I mean bulked up, full milky trichs starting at wk 7. I love that bitch.
 

Heisengrow

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Besides... If you guys honestly are going to take a week or so difference in finishing time that seriously. Seeds are NOT your answer.

Clones is the answer to what you really need. Something guaranteed that has no variation whatsoever.

Or, take my advice and grow perpetually.

Understand that no matter what the breeder puts on those packs it will ALWAYS change and rarely will it ever be accurate. You can not get a clone in a seed and although there are some super stable genetics out there, seeds are variable and unpredictable.

I'm not being a smart ass or arguing with y'all just stating the truth and maybe try and help you guys choose a different route that will better suit your needs and requirements.
Just curious what the fuck flowering time has to do with the plants life here on earth.flowering time is the time it takes to finish once you flip to 12.even if you start from clones it will still take 11 weeks but you still have to have purchased a pack of seeds to get that clone lol.
 

Bakersfield

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I think the problem is that people think everyone else grows like they do.
Some growers really don't give a rat's ass how long it takes for a crop to finish, which is fine.
Other growers run perpetually and a three week discrepancy could cause major problems in the rotation.
I was looking for seeds to grow outdoors in the pacific northwest. I've gotta chop before October, ready or not.
I wanted Tomahawk for my outdoor crop, but there's no fucking way after finding out (the hard way) that it takes 70-80 days to flower...
Just a heads up, I know that early finishing times, indoors, do not always translate to early outdoor finishing times.
Different strains have different daylength trigger times that initiate the flowering cycle and some varieties that finish in 8 weeks indoors might not finish until the 3rd week of October, because their trigger point to begin flower might be 13 hours, while a 10 week indoor strain could finish 2nd week of October because, it initiates @ 15 hours.

Finish times are also exasperated by the latitude of the grow. A plant grown @ 50° N latitude might finish 2 weeks later than the same plant grown @ 35° N lattitude.
 

Tangerine_

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Just curious what the fuck flowering time has to do with the plants life here on earth.flowering time is the time it takes to finish once you flip to 12.even if you start from clones it will still take 11 weeks but you still have to have purchased a pack of seeds to get that clone lol.
Clones are always faster because they're sexually mature enough to start flowering right away. This is pretty basic stuff
 

Chunky Stool

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Just a heads up, I know that early finishing times, indoors, do not always translate to early outdoor finishing times.
Different strains have different daylength trigger times that initiate the flowering cycle and some varieties that finish in 8 weeks indoors might not finish until the 3rd week of October, because their trigger point to begin flower might be 13 hours, while a 10 week indoor strain could finish 2nd week of October because, it initiates @ 15 hours.

Finish times are also exasperated by the latitude of the grow. A plant grown @ 50° N latitude might finish 2 weeks later than the same plant grown @ 35° N lattitude.
Thanks for the tip!
The light cycle also changes outdoors as daylight hours gradually diminish.

I'm thinking the best course of action is to go with a strain that was made for this area: 'Vashon Early Bird'.

Kinda sucks because I bought three strains from GPS to run outdoors and all three have flower times that are longer than expected.
Might be fine, might not.
Dunno.

I will run them indoors eventually, or trade for clones.
 

Bakersfield

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Thanks for the tip!
The light cycle also changes outdoors as daylight hours gradually diminish.

I'm thinking the best course of action is to go with a strain that was made for this area: 'Vashon Early Bird'.

Kinda sucks because I bought three strains from GPS to run outdoors and all three have flower times that are longer than expected.
Might be fine, might not.
Dunno.

I will run them indoors eventually, or trade for clones.
I have a bro that made a fortune growing outdoors in Western Washington with the original Cinderella 99. She finished last week of September.
 

Chunky Stool

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I have a bro that made a fortune growing outdoors in Western Washington with the original Cinderella 99. She finished last week of September.
Nice!
I've actually got a Cindy99 clone that a buddy gave me. He said it was a pineapple pheno, which sounds awesome!
I grew a grapefruit C99 last year and tried to reveg it. No luck. It popped a couple of new leaves, then died suddenly. :-(

But it definitely finished early.
 

hillbill

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I grow perpetual in a small space and exact flower times are not of local import if within reason. The poly hybreeds we grow are also going to have some range in finish times and apart from clones, IBLs would be more uniform. I have shaved a few days on flower time with 3500k but 90cri COBs and going 10/14 light schedule which surprised me a bit.

Purple Mountain Majesty seems like a bit of a hammer! Not a morning anything!
 

Heisengrow

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Clones are always faster because they're sexually mature enough to start flowering right away. This is pretty basic stuff
Yes but what does that have to do with the length of time it takes them to flower.you still have to have a seed to start with to get a clone unless your a magician and can pull clones out of ones ass.last time I checked you need a pack of seeds.of course clones will initiate faster they already have pre flowers but it doesn' t change the flowering time.if it takes 3 weeks to fill in an area and the flowering still takes 11 weeks the point is pretty mute.if another strain does 3 week veg and finishes in 8 weeks well your still gonna be in the same boat.
 

Heisengrow

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I agree and I think @psychadelibud was also saying that if you want guaranteed results such as finish times or potency, then get some cuttings of some proven varieties.
Some of us don' have that option unless we wanna smuggle clones across borders.we have to rely on the information on the pack.clones or not we still have to start the seeds from the pack to get them.
 

Tangerine_

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Nice!
I've actually got a Cindy99 clone that a buddy gave me. He said it was a pineapple pheno, which sounds awesome!
I grew a grapefruit C99 last year and tried to reveg it. No luck. It popped a couple of new leaves, then died suddenly. :-(

But it definitely finished early.
The name escapes me but didn't GP have a C99 cross? There may be some quick finishers in those packs if they're still available.
 

Tangerine_

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Yes but what does that have to do with the length of time it takes them to flower.you still have to have a seed to start with to get a clone unless your a magician and can pull clones out of ones ass.last time I checked you need a pack of seeds.of course clones will initiate faster they already have pre flowers but it doesn' t change the flowering time.if it takes 3 weeks to fill in an area and the flowering still takes 11 weeks the point is pretty mute.if another strain does 3 week veg and finishes in 8 weeks well your still gonna be in the same boat.
You don't need to be a magician. Plenty of folks trade cuts. It all starts with building a good solid trusting relationship with fellow growers.
 

Amos Otis

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seems like you guys are just finding anything to bitch about.
You're wrong. It's a legitimate complaint. What do you believe the purpose of a seed description on a seed seller's website is for? I believe GPS to be good people, but every strain has paragraphs about them for a reason. If it's not to give the potential buyer a reasonably accurate expectation of the product he'll receive, then you explain it to me, ok?

@Amos Otis
I'd imagine the Hickok to go 11 weeks.
Which makes them useless to me. Had the description indicated 10 - 11, I'd have passed. Just that simple, as @Chunky Stool has had to repeat time and again.

^^THIS^^
Research your genetics. Most chems I've run take a minimum of 60-70 days. Crossed to a haze I'd anticipate 70+
So would I. That's why, as I said, I always passed on hazes. You're basically saying to ignore seed descriptions by the seed maker and seed seller. I'm sure you realize that you're trying to have it both ways when you say:

I swear this poor guy cant do enough to please people.
Except that some people are not pleased to buy product based on the sales pitch - the seller's description - and receive a package with a different description that does not jive with their needs.

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Set your system up to be perpetual and customized to your preference and I promise you it won't matter a bit. That is the answer to your problem.
No, it's your answer to your problem, lol. Look man....everybody chooses their own path. You like yours, I like mine, and it's served me well for several years. One reason, is that I select strains to run that are suited to my methods. That's not to say that an occasional plant will far exceed expected finishing times. It happens. And I seriously get pi$$ed about those plants, because:

Other growers turnkey (zero delay between chop & flipping new crop) and a three week discrepancy could cause major problems in the rotation.
Exactly.
 

Bakersfield

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Some of us don' have that option unless we wanna smuggle clones across borders.we have to rely on the information on the pack.clones or not we still have to start the seeds from the pack to get them.
Right, I agree the days on the site should be the same as what's printed on the pack "out of principle" and to claim a cross will finish in 7 weeks, instead of the 9 weeks it actually takes, is sort of suspect, IMO.
Finish times should also be taken with a grain of salt and used as a guideline and not actual fact.

I personally pull my girls when their ripe, but not overripe. I do not look to trichomes, but to the overall health and doneness of the buds. 63 days is where all my Greenpoint gear has been pulled.
 

psychadelibud

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GODAMMIT
This is about the mismatch!
The freebie wasn't even really free. I worked for it.
Chunky... Please note that in my post I said that applied to "some" not all. I read that and I understand that. Sorry for the confusion there buddy.

If I were in your shoes though and anyone else that is worried about flowering time being exact if anything more than a 2 week or so variation on finishing times is not acceptable, then clones are a better option for you guys.

Now if clones are not available and you really need to have something that finishes short/early, I suggest your only option is to have patience and grow out a few packs until you find the pheno that best fits the needs of your growth patterns and then clone the hell out of that early girl and keep her happy and marry her.

Your not going to find anything that claims to finish in "60 days" (example) that will always finish in 60 days, every time, every seed.

I remember back in the day I was excited as fuck to run a pack of Sannies Sugar Punch but the flowering times really threw me off to the point I wanted to avoid running it all together. But those smoke reports and close up bud porn shots, made me bite the bullet. I just knew with sugar punch having that SSH in the lineage was really gonna be aching my requirement for the time it took her to get to the finish line.

Sannie at that time was claiming her to run I believe it was 9 to 11 weeks. Well my very first fem pack of Sugar Punch I popped (and I swear this to you), I had one pheno that was totally fucking dank and covered in trichs, hues of purple and caked in white frost was done at exactly 52 days.... 52 FUCKING DAYS! And yes this is true. All others went anywhere from 70 to 90 and the 52 day was the strongest and had better bag appeal than all the reat and yielded just as well too.

Upon further research I found over on open grow that this phenol was rare and other people did have it as well as myself. You could have taken it at 48 days no problem as visually there was on difference in 48 days and 52 days.

Point is... You can never tell what ya got, till ya pop, bro.

You had mentioned professionals... Now if you are talking about professionals as in "commercial growers" you do not see most commercial growers running seeds period. You see them running clones, to keep thing's organized and needs at minimal maintenance... I have seen very few professional commercial growers run seed plants in indoor setups, in fact it is very rare and unheard of these days as a professional grower is organized and strains (clones) with minimal flowering time and bag appeal/potency/popularity is the sought after goodies for their success. Professionals are aware of the possible instability, variable finishing dates, variable nutrient requirements that plants grown from seeds have to offer and therefore seeds are really not anything of interest for the true professional. Exceptions for the professionals are growing outdoors, as it is a whole different ball game and in some cases seeds are more beneficial to their needs and have a much better survival rate as well as lower maintenance outdoors, due to their more robust and larger root system and of course, that famous "taproot" that borrows down oh so deeply beneath the surface of the soil that travels to places that even the most elite of clones, can only dream of going. That special intelligent taproot that needs no guidance, as it is equiped naturally with wisdom and knowledge to anchor itself into the source of water it needs, to feed its amazing gene pool selected by the grower to offer the best of resistance to the weather, pests and diseases of the environment in which thrives. This s a good example of when the professional grower may likely use seeds rather than clones. When there is one large yearly harvest on the table and having a short finishing time does not matter so much, as there is nothing else in the veg room waiting in line to replace those plants nor an exact date/deadline. Outdoors, a professional will tell you that having variable harvest dates are actually in favor and preference.

I have to stop this rant, before I never stop this rant.

Just grow the damn seeds, find you a pheno with the shortest flowering period and if you like her and she suits your needs then keep her around.

That or get yourselves some proven clones to suit your needs. Really seeds are not the best option for what you guys are looking for in a grow, if having "required" rather than "preferred" flowering time is the concern.

Grow perpetual, and solve your issue.
 
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