SchmoeJoe
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Should be the same. I think the coversation is the only option for a private message on roll it up.
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Should be the same. I think the coversation is the only option for a private message on roll it up.
graying.geek
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Hey, fellow OR growers. Yes, this is something of a double post; after posting in the Getaway Mountain Seed Co. and not getting any useful replies, I thought I try again with my local group.
I scored some samples of GMSC's 4 quick-finishing, regular, outdoor gear from the generous folks at Getaway Mountain and am looking for experiential advice re: their short season strains. I assume these critters have a lot of landrace genetics that might require special handling:
- How early do you start them indoors, and when do you put them outside?
- Are their strains overly sensitive to photoperiod and pot size?
- Any problems with hermies or early flowering?
- Any favorite methods for triggering expression of sex so I can weed out my males early?
- Other advice on these strains?
Thanx for any help.
I scored some samples of GMSC's 4 quick-finishing, regular, outdoor gear from the generous folks at Getaway Mountain and am looking for experiential advice re: their short season strains. I assume these critters have a lot of landrace genetics that might require special handling:
- How early do you start them indoors, and when do you put them outside?
- Are their strains overly sensitive to photoperiod and pot size?
- Any problems with hermies or early flowering?
- Any favorite methods for triggering expression of sex so I can weed out my males early?
- Other advice on these strains?
Thanx for any help.
Houstini
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Anything that is short flowering Indica leaning doesn't go outside before June 7 for me at 45° N. too many problems with reveg. I've had smaller clones of same strains, mothers went out early may and clones went out later. The clones killed it every time for photo period sensitive plants. From what ive gathered about getaway mountain their strains act like superautos and would be VERY photo period sensitive.
SchmoeJoe
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Early finishers mostly finish earlier because they start flowering earlier. They don't need as short of a day switch gears.
graying.geek
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Houstini: said:
Yeah, I figured they would be pretty photo period sensitive given their genetics, which I assume to be heavy land race. OGS also focuses on hardy, fast finishing strains, and they give explicit warnings re: photo period and pot size, so I expect similar issues with GMSC. Thanx for verifying.
Have you grown and maintained a mother indoors and taken cuttings with good success?
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Humanrob
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I've been growing OGS seeds since last summer, I got a half dozen strains for my 2017 outdoor. I planted 4 strains but had a run of bad luck that included having 6 of 9 plants being boys. Of the two strains that I had girls with, they finished a couple of weeks after advertised, but were all around really nice plants. I popped a couple for my last indoor, and I have a few more in my current grow.
Outdoor grows in NW Oregon are tricky, fall weather is really unpredictable. We got ripped off last summer so we're probably not growing outdoors anymore (I've heard once thieves find you, they'll be back), which is why I've been running the OGS seeds in my indoor. If your life affords the ability to pull it off, light deprivation is the way to go.
I haven't tried Getaway Mountain seeds, because I also could not get the information I needed. The patient I grow for needs very high THC Sativa or Sativa dominant hybrids, and there were no test results available for their strains, nor did they describe them by their genetic heritage (at least at the time, haven't been to their site since the early spring of 2017).
Starting plants indoors and getting them out early helps if you want or need huge plants. If you are growing in containers and you start them early, they'll most likely outgrow the container before the season is over. I wouldn't start early unless I was putting them in the ground and had a 10' fence.
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Houstini
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Yes, I'll pick up some clones that grab my eye throughout the spring and take cuts and share with friends and family. I end up running out of room for the mothers and they go outside mid may. Some do ok some don't, it's a mistake that I have made and will avoid at all costs in the future. Revegging outdoor is very counterproductive. This year is all from quality seeds and It's been a busy winter looking for quality outdoor contenders. So far grandpas breath and Oregon huckleberry look like good contenders for the willamette valley.
SchmoeJoe
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I've only even seen a couple of strains that we're good quality and finished early. I'm in Eugene.
thumper60
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the poison warp an r2 did great for me at 45*in the northeast both done 3th week sept just beat the heavy mold we got later,i held moms at18-6 no problem
graying.geek
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Thanx, that's great info. So how long did/have you held your Moms? What size of pots? No signs of hermies or other stress?
graying.geek
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Yeah, this is why I won't pay for regular seeds unless they're really cheap or promise some combination of traits I'm desperate to try. Hence, the problem with OGS or GMSC and their "regular only" seed offerings. It's a huge deal for us rec growers and our 4-plant limit.
Humanrob: said:
So you're running the OGS gear indoors? Any problems with hermies or signs of stress due to being root bound, etc.? You're able to control the height?
Humanrob: said:
Yeah, I balked at the dearth of information also. About all they offer is "mold resistant" and "early finishing." Kinda tough to evaluate without the usual detail. Had they not offered me some samples I probably would have been too skeptical to order. We'll see.
Humanrob: said:
Not sure what this means (seriously). Can you clarify?
Thanx for your help!
Humanrob
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I hear you with the pain in the butt factor of regular seeds, I've been able to get away with it because I can do the 6-med 4-rec per household thing, and that allows me some elbow room. I also have been playing around with breeding, so regular seeds were fun, for a while. Now that I'm growing them indoors, it's not as fun.
As far as I know, there is no such thing as a seed that can only be grown indoors or outdoors. Some plants do better in some environments, but these are not lab produced GMO strains, these are crosses with phenotypes and general characteristics. That said... I've had several strains from different sources that grew perfectly outdoors and hermied indoors. It is amazing to me how many issues that can occur indoors (like plants burning or getting nute imbalances under intense lights) never happen under the sun.
Last grow I had a half dozen strains going, a mix of odd left-overs, F1 crosses I made, and OGS seeds -- and every single one hermied. They were mostly late hermies, just a few male flowers that showed up late near the bottoms of the plants and produced only a few non-fully developed seeds. That was wacked, I never had that happen before and I honestly don't know what the specific environmental cause was. But since everything hermied, I have to assume it was environmental and I can't blame the seeds/genetics. We'll see how the grow I'm doing now goes.
Height is a function of genetics, veg time, and training. I had more height problems last year with my outdoor than I had running some of the same strains indoors.
If for some reason I could only grow outdoors and was desperate for strains that could survive early October here, then I'm sure I would try them. But having other options, its not necessary.
I seem to be continuously making plans and then changing them... Anyway, last summer my plan when I popped my seeds was to do light dep -- which requires an early start for an early finish. As the seedlings were sprouting the wife and I talked it out and decided that being chained to the house for 8 weeks during a summer when we want the freedom to travel was not going to work for us. So, now I had all these young plants started weeks before I would have for a normal grow.
I started the seeds 04/29, put them in the ground 05/21, and for some reason I didn't write down the date, but some time in late June or early July most of the plants were over 7 feet tall and could be seen over our 6 foot fence -- which is illegal and a bad idea in general. I had to chop the top 2 feet off, the way one would to keep a hedge low. I was basically chopping off all the branch tips that would have been the primary bud sites. There was only one plant that stayed short enough that I did not have to do that to it, the Amnesia Hashplant.
The key to keeping them at a concealable height is to either start late or train them.
I grew outdoors for three seasons. I live near the Gorge where fall wind will remove a normal hoop-house from your yard, so I have to build protective structures like tanks. The pictures below are from 2016, the most successful outdoor I've done. I built a structure with a built-in scrog so they stayed short enough to be hidden while being supported, and they were protected without being sealed up enough to trap moisture in. At the end of the run I even put an HPS light in for the last plant to give it some more time. I also grew a couple out in the open, and based on their genetics, some did fine. The ones I had in pots I tried to finish in the garage under lights, with mixed results.
Sorry for rambling, to answer your last question: if you live in a rural area where no one cares, you can let your plants grow as tall as you want. If you live within city limits, they can't be seen from any public area. That was the fence height reference, they can grow very tall (of course most cities have a 6' fence zoning limit, so I was being facetious). Indoors and out, one of the biggest influences on plant height is veg time. The earlier you start your outdoor, the longer they veg, the bigger they get.
graying.geek
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Thanx, @Humanrob.
OGS has at least 1 strain (their Amnesia Hashplant, which I would *love* to get a female cutting of to try outdoors this summer) that they describe as: "Not recommended for indoors" due to it's propensity to go into flower with the slightest stress. Makes me wonder if that's what got your indoor grow where everything hermied. Maybe some minor photo period fluctuations or too small of pots?
My outdoor garden is exposed to only one neighbor, and he's fine with my grow, so my concern is not with concealment outdoors, but rather just managing the plant's height indoors, but sounds like you were successful in doing so
OGS has at least 1 strain (their Amnesia Hashplant, which I would *love* to get a female cutting of to try outdoors this summer) that they describe as: "Not recommended for indoors" due to it's propensity to go into flower with the slightest stress. Makes me wonder if that's what got your indoor grow where everything hermied. Maybe some minor photo period fluctuations or too small of pots?
Humanrob: said:
My outdoor garden is exposed to only one neighbor, and he's fine with my grow, so my concern is not with concealment outdoors, but rather just managing the plant's height indoors, but sounds like you were successful in doing so
Humanrob
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Yeah, I've read where they say that about AH, but since I'm not growing outdoors anymore, I'll be growing the rest of mine indoors. When I contacted them about that, she said something similar to what you're saying, that the "roots don't like to be crowded" -- but she did not specify how the plant might react, in other words that it might cause it to hermie. Something new to ponder.
It seems the new norm with breeders is to release F1s. I think that sucks, but I guess it takes way too much time to do it right. The propensity to hermie can be bred out to a large degree, if the breeder cares enough to do it.
Have you grown indoors before?
graying.geek
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Yeah, it's impossible to discern the meaning of "crowded". That's why I'm curious as to the size of pot's you're using for OGS gear indoors. If you're having success cloning and growing their outdoor strains indoor, especially their AH, I'd definitely like to hear about your process and success rate.
Humanrob: said:
No kiddin', but I expect there is method to this madness. If they spend time stabilizing 2 diverse Parents, the F1's will usually show a fairly consistant phenotype. It's the F2's where things go sideways, which makes them impractical to breed for seeds. This is the dream of every breeder: To develop a strain that is near impossible to clone and shows dozens of phenotypes, many of them undesirable.
Humanrob: said:
Yup, just started growing in fall 2016 in a 2' x 4' scrog. A link to one of my grows in my sig. Been through 3 indoor grow cycles. First with Jacks nutes, second & 3rd with organics. The organics were fine, and pretty much no brainer as far as the nutrients, but then I had to deal with a spider mite infestation, and I've made the jump to hydro.
Summer of 2017 was the first outdoor grow I've tried in something like 40 years. 2 Northern Lights , planted in the garden, no pots. I was able to stretch the grow into the 2nd week of Oct before harvesting by putting up a small green house to keep the rain off but it was still probably weeks early. Lost 20% to bud rot, but kept 9 oz of pretty nice bud.
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Sir Napsalot
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I pulled 15.4oz from the Chernobyl clone I got from Amazon Organics in Eugene, in a 15gal hard pot that I painted white to keep it cooler. I had zero PM or mold issues. I used Monterey BT and found like 3 small spots of caterpillar damage. I would definitely recommend this strain
graying.geek
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Thanx, Napsalot. Nice moniker. We must be about the same age.
How late did the Chernobyl girls go?
Houstini
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I'm looking at Oregon diesel, wouldn't mind one in the garden. People were chopping it mid-late September last year. Tasty smoke too!
Humanrob
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I just realized the rest of this conversation will be about indoor growing, and we're on an outdoor thread. I've got a grow thread going that I contribute to randomly, but probably I'll update it at least once a month. I've got 2 OGS strains in this run.
http://rollitup.org/t/there-is-a-crack-in-everything.927520/
Sir Napsalot
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I can't imagine a photo finishing that early
Thanx, Napsalot. Nice moniker. We must be about the same age.
How late did the Chernobyl girls go?
I think I harvested the third week of October- it had started to rain and I had moved my 3 plants into a portable carport in the backyard. I was paranoid as hell since someone cut 3 branches off my GG4 the year before so I employed a number of security devices
