Organic Vs. Synthetic Nutrients

Stink Bug

Stink Bug

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Yodaweed said:
I'm sorry you do not understand the differences between organic and hydroponics, i grow both and they are vastly different, right now i'm growing some white fire og under a 315 cmh and some leds, half organic half hydroponics, huge differences in phenotype expression(all cuts taken from the same mother plan on the same day) and the plants are under the same lights grow in same exact conditions.....both lush green but big differences in shape and appearance i expect vast differences in cannabinoid content which i plan to get tested after i finish this run .
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What does Azomite have to do with either? i am just trying to understand where you are coming from.
 
Budley Doright

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since1991 said:
I get gnats no matter what medium or nutes anymore. I thought long ago..frikin organic soil..thats what they like. Made the move to peat based mixes..gnats again. Switched to coco coir...still got gnats. And recently started fukin with rockwool slabs and blocks for a couple lamps just out of boredom and see if I still could run rockwool decently. Still got gnats. Bacillus type stuff...mosquito dunks and what not keep them in check. And yellow sticky traps with a spike at the base of the stalk/top of substrate to monitor how well the crushed up dunks are doing. Ive let gnats get outta hand before put of sheer laziness and it wasnt fun. Sticky cards COVERED in gnats and a larvae farm eating my roots was the result. Had to bust out Bayer Fruit and Citrus (imidacloprid) on em. Not in flower though. If you take new and well rooted cuts the transplant to first pot and use Bayer Fruit & Citrus (the mildest imid they got - for edible crops)...the gnats and just about everything else except mites are gone and stay gone through the whole veg and flower process. And the Bayer Fuit & Citrus form of imid is so mild..its gone by chop and harvest time.
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Ya I guess I got lucky, I haven't had a gnat in 5 years and when I ran soil I had em lots. Fucking things, I tried everything but to no avail. I use hydroton and root riot cubes buried under the rocks. Fuck I hope I never get em again :(.
 
Chip Green

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The dreaded "calmag" deficiency........hehe!!!
CalMag is the Childrens Tylenol of the plant kingdom....works for ANY symptom, without really doing much of anything. Unless you really need some.
 
Stink Bug

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Sorry Johnny, I tried to upload a picture for my above post. Maybe I should have just swept the leg? lol
 
Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Sort of @Dr. Who. With organic bottled nutrients some of the elements are taken up directly and some bond with the soil and the bacteria needs to break it down into usable forms.


And just to add (of course you already know this)

Chemical based nutes don’t automatically kill the life in the soil. Even the common amount of chlorine/chloromine is a minor hinderance.

Further and this is just my opinion. The best way to grow delicious potent pot is to combine good potting soil and supplement with easily uptaken complete fertilizer with chelated micronutrients.

Only way other than properly executed hydro to be sure (mostly sure) the plants actually get the elements they need when they need them.

And if we take this to what method would provide the most controlled, clean, consistent medicine.

This may be an unpopular answer but hydro with complete professional chemical based fertilizer will have the least contamination and the highest potency.

But I like container gardening and doing what we like and are comfortable with is important to results too. And for me the growing is as important as the meds for my treatment.
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Nice reply.
Some are that way (organic bottled nutrients). Some are the way I say too. Unless you know what is actually in the bottle. It can be a crap shoot...

Now on the second part. I got opinions too.

I respect your opinion on that, and have heard that one before in/at other places/times.

I disagree though. I have had, hands down, the most potent and most flavorful/smelling product......From soil grows. Out door soil grows. Properly maintained and finished/harvested right. Have always been the most potent strains I've ever smoked. You can not reproduce the terp profiles in hydro, created by soil growing......This point is on the front burner for those wanting to do that, by research being done today.....I feel that, is a long way out yet.

Part of why I do a few outdoor "gorilla" plants (in containers - they move about easy and move inside at cold nights in the fall - then back out for the sun day time. Easy way to finish them properly in our northern climate). Deeper buzz profile with, more umph, if you know what I mean.

While it's NOT that way anymore. It was at one time and in many disp in Cali, that they would not buy anything but outdoor produced.

Now I will agree that if your into growing hydro. You can sure as hell know exactly what your feeding. As far as purity goes. Your only limited by just exactly "what" is in the compounds you use to grow with.
Sourcing is the issue, and metal content, etc is source defined. Before chelation. But you know that too.

Peace on.
 
Chunky Stool

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I really don't see why it has to be black and white.
Semi-organic gives me the best results, indoors AND outdoors -- but the techniques are VERY different.
I load the soil with organic goodness (compost, castings, etc) for the outdoor grow and tweak with synthetics, top dressing and nute teas. (Gotta use a biological to control fungus gnats.)
Indoors, the soil is barren. All nutrients must be soluble because I don't want bits of decaying shit to attract bugs.
Majority of NPK comes from synthetics. I also use organic nutrient tea that's filtered to remove solids.
 
Chunky Stool

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That reminds me... it's time to make a new batch of alfalfa tea.
I wonder if using hot water would speed up the process???
Instead of letting it steep 24 hrs in tap water, maybe just 1 hour if I start with boiling water?
Hmm...
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Dr. Who said:
Nice reply.
Some are that way (organic bottled nutrients). Some are the way I say too. Unless you know what is actually in the bottle. It can be a crap shoot...

Now on the second part. I got opinions too.

I respect your opinion on that, and have heard that one before in/at other places/times.

I disagree though. I have had, hands down, the most potent and most flavorful/smelling product......From soil grows. Out door soil grows. Properly maintained and finished/harvested right. Have always been the most potent strains I've ever smoked. You can not reproduce the terp profiles in hydro, created by soil growing......This point is on the front burner for those wanting to do that, by research being done today.....I feel that, is a long way out yet.

Part of why I do a few outdoor "gorilla" plants (in containers - they move about easy and move inside at cold nights in the fall - then back out for the sun day time. Easy way to finish them properly in our northern climate). Deeper buzz profile with, more umph, if you know what I mean.

While it's NOT that way anymore. It was at one time and in many disp in Cali, that they would not buy anything but outdoor produced.

Now I will agree that if your into growing hydro. You can sure as hell know exactly what your feeding. As far as purity goes. Your only limited by just exactly "what" is in the compounds you use to grow with.
Sourcing is the issue, and metal content, etc is source defined. Before chelation. But you know that too.

Peace on.
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The Growers, families and friends of the old multigenerational outdoor grows where I live in the farmland and woods continually comment on the better flavor and obviously better potency of my indoor.


Sometimes I disagree and like the flavor of some of the outdoor better. But the potency usually falls short.

I think the real sunlight adds something and the lack of environmental stability takes something away.

Of course I am talking about Michigan not California. But indoor there is more control of environment and that is the main factor. Not the nutrients.

I hope to do a few containers outside next season to compare myself. At least some familiar seed plants.

I keep dreaming about building a clear topped envirenmentally and light supplemented light deep shed.

And then I get my extra rooms in my house back for actual living space.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Chunky Stool said:
I really don't see why it has to be black and white.
Semi-organic gives me the best results, indoors AND outdoors -- but the techniques are VERY different.
I load the soil with organic goodness (compost, castings, etc) for the outdoor grow and tweak with synthetics, top dressing and nute teas. (Gotta use a biological to control fungus gnats.)
Indoors, the soil is barren. All nutrients must be soluble because I don't want bits of decaying shit to attract bugs.
Majority of NPK comes from synthetics. I also use organic nutrient tea that's filtered to remove solids.
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All the best gardeners from regular flower gardening I have read from use a hybrid method to be sure of nutrient availability.

I haven’t but should look into orchid competition Growers.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Dr. Who said:
Nice reply.
Some are that way (organic bottled nutrients). Some are the way I say too. Unless you know what is actually in the bottle. It can be a crap shoot...

Now on the second part. I got opinions too.

I respect your opinion on that, and have heard that one before in/at other places/times.

I disagree though. I have had, hands down, the most potent and most flavorful/smelling product......From soil grows. Out door soil grows. Properly maintained and finished/harvested right. Have always been the most potent strains I've ever smoked. You can not reproduce the terp profiles in hydro, created by soil growing......This point is on the front burner for those wanting to do that, by research being done today.....I feel that, is a long way out yet.

Part of why I do a few outdoor "gorilla" plants (in containers - they move about easy and move inside at cold nights in the fall - then back out for the sun day time. Easy way to finish them properly in our northern climate). Deeper buzz profile with, more umph, if you know what I mean.

While it's NOT that way anymore. It was at one time and in many disp in Cali, that they would not buy anything but outdoor produced.

Now I will agree that if your into growing hydro. You can sure as hell know exactly what your feeding. As far as purity goes. Your only limited by just exactly "what" is in the compounds you use to grow with.
Sourcing is the issue, and metal content, etc is source defined. Before chelation. But you know that too.

Peace on.
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I think the sunlight has more to do with great pot than the dirt. UVB.

I like my organic dirt but I have no problem doing a water soluble foliar spray of synthetic nutes if I get behind on feeding my soil. Maybe I'd feel differently if I had to slap a label on my product.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Bugeye said:
I think the sunlight has more to do with great pot than the dirt. UVB.

I like my organic dirt but I have no problem doing a water soluble foliar spray of synthetic nutes if I get behind on feeding my soil. Maybe I'd feel differently if I had to slap a label on my product.
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They are trying to prove uva influences the terpenes and flavonoids.

The uvb outside should and does influence potency but environment obviously has more effect in my opinion.
 
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