Hermies, most have no idea!!!

907cannabis said:
Ok if not written on the genes it's close enough, can you explain this article to me?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20533168/

What am I missing here?

Seems like the sex of the plant can be determined extremely early on from the DNA directly.
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well unless you have some way to do DNA testing its kinda hard to determine sex...

907cannabis said:
Or this one

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-004-4758-7
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now in this article, is actually pretty close, 4th full node, yes you can get close to determining sex of a plant, that's comparable of 6 weeks in veg under good lighting system....
 
907cannabis said:
How does the plant pass down its hermie genes if it's not genetic? How will a seed grow to be "like the parent" if it's not passed down?
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Theres no such thing as hermie genetics, it is a reaction caused by a protein not linked to sexual genes or on the sex genetics itself.

I hope this goes some way to answering your question but if not and you want to believe the redundant brology then i require you to produce a hermie free strain and bring it to market. So far no one has achieved this in all of history.

Stress causes the plant to make proteins that fuck with the sex genetics, nothing you can breed or change.
 
907cannabis said:
Ok if not written on the genes it's close enough, can you explain this article to me?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20533168/

What am I missing here?

Seems like the sex of the plant can be determined extremely early on from the DNA directly.
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Your missing an explination as to hermie genetics, science hasnt got one yet.

The articles speak of measuring proteins and forming a conclusion as to what constitutes a male or female.
 
Cold$moke said:
I aways thought that a stable line wouldnt produce herms with minimal stress added?. As badly as a hermi prone line

But this is something i have not studied
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Yes the point of stabilizing a strain is to get all the plants to grow uniform and with the same traits. Stress tolerance being one of the traits desired.

Problem is the more stabilized the more is lost from the high in my opinion. The problem for us plants seem to be the best ones.
 
Agree i like seeing the differences in phenos and getting jewls

If i where doing a big seed SOG i guess a stable line would be more imprortant.

But i always hate herms cause sometimes you get that stress nanner
And you wana know what caused it when everything seemed fine
 
Cold$moke said:
Agree i like seeing the differences in phenos and getting jewls

If i where doing a big seed SOG i guess a stable line would be more imprortant.

But i always hate herms cause sometimes you get that stress nanner
And you wana know what caused it when everything seemed fine
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from what i've found out with mine.....it all has to do with stress mostly....once the pheno is stressed to a point it cannot handle, it will flip the other way....or at least that's what i've found out with mine anyways......the stress that i put it through is what actually caused the "it" to come out.......
 
Cold$moke said:
Agree i like seeing the differences in phenos and getting jewls

If i where doing a big seed SOG i guess a stable line would be more imprortant.

But i always hate herms cause sometimes you get that stress nanner
And you wana know what caused it when everything seemed fine
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For a sog I would use clones of a known plant.

I have seen quite a few mid and late nanners growing diesel/Thai and other sativa leaning hybrids but only 2 plants in the last 4 years got seeded more than a few stress seeds.

I plant a new Fem seed or 2 almost every week.
 
BudmanTX said:
from what i've found out with mine.....it all has to do with stress mostly....once the pheno is stressed to a point it cannot handle, it will flip the other way....or at least that's what i've found out with mine anyways......the stress that i put it through is what actually caused the "it" to come out.......
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Nutrient stress is the biggest cause. Don’t know why it’s not talked about. I overfed or had deficiencies on every plant but 1 if I saw nanners. 1 plant surprised me but still had only a few seeds.
 
MichiganMedGrower said:
I have had balls grow on a plant from stress and stop when I corrected it. Also have had one single ball grow where a pruned branch was. And that was the only one.
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Here is part of the evidence that goes against those that think its some genetic breedable trait. If it were mere sexual genetics the plant wouldnt be jumping in and out of hermie'ing as it grew.

Herms can come and go at any point, early, late, pre flower and then dissapear leaving a perfectly herm free bud. High up on the plant or lower down etc etc etc.

This points to an independant factor that is not kinked to a plants sex genetics.

Every now and again you get one of those special members who starts going on about different types of herms like their position on the plant means different things. They get awarded the tin foil hat medal...
 
MichiganMedGrower said:
Nutrient stress is the biggest cause. Don’t know why it’s not talked about. I overfed or had deficiencies on every plant but 1 if I saw nanners. 1 plant surprised me but still had only a few seeds.
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Hermies and whorlled phylotaxy, no one has yet to narrow down which stresses cause it and there are a lot of possible contenders even external virus and bacterias.
 
MichiganMedGrower said:
Nutrient stress is the biggest cause. Don’t know why it’s not talked about. I overfed or had deficiencies on every plant but 1 if I saw nanners. 1 plant surprised me but still had only a few seeds.
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i can agree with that to a point.

with my grow and with the one that herm'd, i don't use any nutrients in my grows, i just amend the soils i use and develope to give you an example you can ck my thread : https://www.rollitup.org/t/classic-hermie-pictures.957623/

i haven't updated it yet with new pics or thoughts but ck it out....
 
Either way the genes determine how much of the hormones are produced which would change the sex of the plant, I've read all cannabis was hermie at one point and it's only now that they are stabilizing and full males are being produced, I wonder if there's any truth to that.

If I have a strain that hermied out and I take the pollen from it and cross with a stable female I will get x amount of hermie-unstable plants in the seeds, if I use pure male pollen from a male plant on that same strain I will get x amount of male/female stable strains and less chance of hermies correct?

If that's true what is being passed down by the generation of hermie prone plants? The gene that causes less ethylene production? The hermie gene?
 
BudmanTX said:
i can agree with that to a point.

with my grow and with the one that herm'd, i don't use any nutrients in my grows, i just amend the soils i use and develope to give you an example you can ck my thread : https://www.rollitup.org/t/classic-hermie-pictures.957623/

i haven't updated it yet with new pics or thoughts but ck it out....
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It doesn’t have to be bottled fertilizer. Underfed plants have stress too.

I will take a look at your thread.
 
BudmanTX said:
i can agree with that to a point.

with my grow and with the one that herm'd, i don't use any nutrients in my grows, i just amend the soils i use and develope to give you an example you can ck my thread : https://www.rollitup.org/t/classic-hermie-pictures.957623/

i haven't updated it yet with new pics or thoughts but ck it out....
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That plant has deficiencies. Most obvious is the calcium problem thickening the lower leaves and curling the mid and upper tips. Iron is getting locked out and maybe potassium. That is why the leaves were already fading.

This is exactly the scenario I am saying that a plant could reverse and everyone would blame the seeds.
 
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