Chunky Stool
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Define "regulate".
It's actually a very complex issue.
Another white guy gun massacre.
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It's actually a very complex issue.
Fogdog
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I totally agree that the issue is complex. A complex issue should be studied and regulations should be thought through. An example of what not to do was the assault rifle ban that ended a while back. Congress makes it illegal for heath agencies to even study how to reduce deaths due to firearms. How about we end that ban for starters?
rkymtnman
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I thought the gov't was made up of violent and heavily armed whites??
Sour Wreck
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mostly
Chunky Stool
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That's a good start.
It would also be nice if the ATF wasn't forbidden from having a searchable computer database of firearms transactions.
abalonehx
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Complex issue indeed. While I think we should be able to own a handgun for self defense (after a background check), these guns like an AR15 I think should be banned. No one needs a semi-auto like that to defend themselves. To shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. Over and over these are used in these mass shootings. The majority bought legally. A lot of these people aren't clinically mentally ill either. They blend into normal society. There wasn't really red flags for mental illness for the Las Vegas shooter and there are many troubled young males out there that have problems in high school. But its like every few months, a shooting - it's copycat mass shootings. Ban the guns like an AR15 is my opinion.
Chunky Stool
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The mass shooting thing is a recent trend.
But guns like the AR-15, AK-47, etc have been in civilian hands a very long time.
What has changed? The root cause is obviously not the availability of "assault style" weapons...
abalonehx
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My point was these have been copy cat mass shootings since... Columbine. So the availability of the gun was there earlier. The culture of mass shootings is based on precedent. What is the motive? A powerless feeling person making a name for themselves like those before him?
Sour Wreck
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well there are places in rural america where an ar-15, a suppressor and night vision are needed. and that is when hunting feral hogs that are tearing up someone's land that they depend on for their livelihood.
problem is, this is the same culture that is producing most of these white mass murderers.
problem is, this is the same culture that is producing most of these white mass murderers.
Chunky Stool
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And keep in mind that the assault rifle ban Bill Clinton passed was a HUGE bonus for the gun industry. And it did very little to prevent crime.
I've heard that gun sales were down since Trump took office because he's pro NRA.
But now that we've had another school shooting with an AR-15, expect sales of that particular firearm to spike.
It never fails...
abalonehx
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Also, there is mounting evidence that pharmaceuticals...antidepressants, psychiatric drugs are linked here. Seems like ever time there's a mass shooting you find out the perpetrator is on this shit. If you change the chemistry of the brain drastically what can happen inside the mind? Lack of empathy and impulse control...Its like serial killers are often past victims of brain injury combined with childhood violence, environmental factors .
Sour Wreck
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correct...And keep in mind that the assault rifle ban Bill Clinton passed was a HUGE bonus for the gun industry. And it did very little to prevent crime.
I've heard that gun sales were down since Trump took office because he's pro NRA.
But now that we've had another school shooting with an AR-15, expect sales of that particular firearm to spike.
It never fails...
and how did this guy get guns, i thought obama was gonna take all the guns.
fucking morons !!!!!
Chunky Stool
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But it's fine to give that same 19 year old an M16 and send him to Afghanistan?
Sour Wreck
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plus, said 19 year old can't even drink a beer
Rob Roy
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But his little brother of 17 or 18 can join the military and use one to go kill people that have never harmed him or anyone else?
abalonehx
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Bill Clinton! Hillary's emails! Waaah. Republicans and Democrats are both complicit to the gun lobby. The NRA did start as a gun safety, gun control entity but are now bought and owned by the gun lobbyists. Trump is a nightmare! At least democrats push more gun control. Republicans are no gun control - ever. None.And keep in mind that the assault rifle ban Bill Clinton passed was a HUGE bonus for the gun industry. And it did very little to prevent crime.
I've heard that gun sales were down since Trump took office because he's pro NRA.
But now that we've had another school shooting with an AR-15, expect sales of that particular firearm to spike.
It never fails...
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abalonehx
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War is a racket and those kids are pawns. So you agree with me.
abalonehx
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The NRA, bought by the gun lobby. FDA, bought by big pharm. It goes on and on. Corporate lobbyists bought American democracy a long time ago. Trump is Corporatism in fast forward. We will have a fascist police state pretty quick with this administration. How can you defend this asshole?
Rob Roy
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I agree that war should be questioned. It should be questioned because it often uses offensive force as a substitute for persuasion, it violates the peace and harms innocent people. Which is also what "gun control" does.
People who use guns offensively would love to have their targets unarmed, it makes it much it easier to violate and control them.
