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Dankonomics_genetics

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I served in Afghanistan in the Tangi as a rifleman in ‘09. My grandfather did 3 tours in ‘Nam with the Brown Water Navy as a GM1 on the Swift Boats. He killed himself when I was about 2. May he rest in peace. Wish I’d have known the crazy bastard.
Nam was bad. I’d take ww2 over nam man. I’m super into reading about it though. General Giap was a genius and America really underestimated them. We knew the war was un winnable too by 65-66. Such a tragedy too
 

Olive Drab Green

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Dankonomics_genetics

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I was just a child when I first saw it all. Being catholic made me a target. I saw a lot of things kids shouldn’t see, can’t and won’t talk about other things. But as an adult now I see both sides but realize it’s a war of hearts and minds, car bombs don’t win hearts and minds. Living by the fued too isn’t the way. Protecting the community was. Thankfully I was lucky enough to be born American. But I see Belfast here in these scenes unfolding here too. I think it’s cia stuff a lot like the Vegas shooting. Ireland’s fight was and is a noble fight though. So I have no qualms saying it, and I also support a free and united ireland. America too. We need to take our country back
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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This was us. Pulled missions with 20th SFG and 2nd Rangers. It says in the first article we didn’t take direct fire, but that was early Spring. Summer got hot in more ways than one when the fighting season began.

https://www.army.mil/article/17994/clearing_the_tangi_task_force_in_afghanistan_takes_troubled_valley

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangi_Valley
The afghan don’t stand much chance against us in conventional warfare. Their playing the time game. I hold nothing against them though. Or you guys. But I don’t think we belong there.
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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I served in Afghanistan in the Tangi as a rifleman in ‘09. My grandfather did 3 tours in ‘Nam with the Brown Water Navy as a GM1 on the Swift Boats. He killed himself when I was about 2. May he rest in peace. Wish I’d have known the crazy bastard.
My dad turned into a psycho. He raised me like an nva pow though so I can handle most things. But that war fucked up a lot of ppl
 

Olive Drab Green

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The afghan don’t stand much chance against us in conventional warfare. Their playing the time game. I hold nothing against them though. Or you guys. But I don’t think we belong there.
When I was there, Bin Laden was still alive. I felt then, that we belonged there. After about 2011-2012, I felt we should have pulled out.

Conventionally speaking, you are right. But they are very crafty, I give them that. Like fighting ghosts, most of the time. Getting into firefights every day, getting blown up a few times a week. Their 5 year old kids are triggermen to IEDs, 15 year olds with Dragunovs. We got one of them that was plaguing us for a few months. He was a good shot, too, that kid. His luck just ran out. Turned him into swiss cheese, firing into the woodline. It was only after we found his body we realized he was just a kid. Usually are pretty good about dragging their dead away. He must have been doing his thing solo.

Definitely don’t underestimate them, though. They’re a bit backwards, but they aren’t stupid. The dumb ones are mostly already dead.
 
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Dankonomics_genetics

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When I was there, Bin Laden was still alive. I felt then, that we belonged there. After about 2011-2012, I felt we should have pulled out.

Conventionally speaking, you are right. But they are very crafty, I give them that. Like fighting ghosts, most of the time. Getting into firefights every day, getting blown up a few times a week. Their 5 year old kids are triggermen, 15 year olds with Dragunovs. We got one if them that was plaguing us for a few months. He was a good shot, too, that kid. His luck just ran out. Turned him into swiss cheese, firing into the woodline. It was only after we found his body we realized he was just a kid. Usually are pretty good about dragging their dead away. He must have been doing his thing solo.

Definitely don’t underestimate them, though. They’re a bit backwards, but they aren’t stupid.
They know nothing but war. When the kids also fight, their desperate. I was made to as well. A 12 year olds bullet is just as effective as a 21 year olds if placed well. Most war now is hit and run ambushes, very intricate brawls, intended to mentally fuck up the paid soldiers. Or mines and ieds. I was once hit by a blast and idk how I’m alive but I felt the silence, then the throbbing and checked to see if I had my body parts and noticed not one scratch. Not one. My hair was all gone, my clothes tattered and not one piece of shrapnel hit me 3-4 feet away from the bomb. I believe in something idk a god you could say
 

Olive Drab Green

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They know nothing but war. When the kids also fight, their desperate. I was made to as well. A 12 year olds bullet is just as effective as a 21 year olds if placed well. Most war now is hit and run ambushes, very intricate brawls, intended to mentally fuck up the paid soldiers. Or mines and ieds. I was once hit by a blast and idk how I’m alive but I felt the silence, then the throbbing and checked to see if I had my body parts and noticed not one scratch. Not one. My hair was all gone, my clothes tattered and not one piece of shrapnel hit me 3-4 feet away from the bomb. I believe in something idk a god you could say
When I got blown up, I was on foot, and it was a pressure cooker full of rebar, marbles, and HME (ANFO.) I was three steps away, just finished untangling my team leader’s MBITR from some brush, and my team leader saw some guys on the Northern ridgeline through his ACOG. Next thing I know, I hear, not a boom, but what sounded like the MGM Lion roaring in my left ear and I blacked out. Woke up in a cloud of brown dust a couple minutes later, PKM rounds zinging by like they do in the cartoons. Crawled to a berm, returned fire. We got some of them, but the rest fled with their bodies. I didn’t even think. My body just moved on its own.

Pretty sure the lid came off of that pressure cooker and all the shrapnel went upward, while the blast went outward. I got pretty lucky.
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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When I got blown up, I was on foot, and it was a pressure cooker full of rebar, marbles, and HME (ANFO.) I was three steps away, just finished untangling my team leader’s MBITR from some brush, and my team leader saw some guys on the Northern ridgeline through his ACOG. Next thing I know, I hear, not a boom, but what sounded like the MGM Lion roaring in my left ear and I blacked out. Woke up in a cloud of brown dust a couple minutes later, PKM rounds zinging by like they do in the cartoons. Crawled to a berm, returned fire. We got some of them, but the rest fled with their bodies. I didn’t even think. My body just moved on its own.

Pretty sure the lid came off of that pressure cooker and all the shrapnel went upward, while the blast went outward. I got pretty lucky.
Sounds like it. I think Semtex was used idk, I heard a woof, and then was like in a daze then heard again and bam checked myself ASAP. Thankfully I wasn’t being shot at while I was just in the wrong place, wrong time
 

Olive Drab Green

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The Irish bottle kids will throw rocks at cops or soldiers with guns, they don’t scare easy in Ireland
Yeah. Honestly, when it came to the IRA and the Troubles, I respected them. The British don’t belong annexing Northern Ireland. I think Scotland also deserves their independence, particularly considering how it came to be that those two countries found themselves under British rule. We did the same thing here in America, we just happened to win.

Vietnam, I can’t say I feel the same way about the NVC and NVA. We didn’t necessarily belong there (Fuck you once again, France), but they were killing off their own people at a ridiculous rate during “Resettlement.” The Communists were actually worse towards their own side than we were.

I respect all who served, but we didn’t belong in Iraq, either. Nonetheless, I appreciate the service of all my brothers and sisters in arms
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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Yeah. Honestly, when it came to the IRA and the Troubles, I respected them. The British don’t belong annexing Northern Ireland. I think Scotland also deserves their independence, particularly considering how it came to be that those two countries found themselves under British rule. We did the same thing here in America, we just happened to win.

Vietnam, I can’t say I feel the same way about the NVC and NVA. We didn’t necessarily belong there (Fuck you once again, France), but they were killing off their own people at a ridiculous rate during “Resettlement.” The Communists were actually worse towards their own side than we were.

I respect all who served, but we didn’t belong in Iraq, either. Nonetheless, I appreciate the service of all my brothers and sisters in arms
Ireland and the ira are one in the same. The Republican Army are hero’s and freedom fighters. The provisional ira we’re doing the terrorist stuff in retaliation. I still support the Republican Army in spirit and always will. I’ll tesch my children like I was what truly happened. 800+ years is a long time. America had no biz in nam. Nam was about Michelin mostly and imperialism. Ireland is also imperialism. Ask yourself, if I were a Vietnamese who had pushed out one imperial to have another who’s side would you believe in. The commy thing too is part true. Actually nam was a proxy war to China and Russia as well. If we cared about Asian boys freedoms as lbj said, why not Ireland’s too? Same time period. We helped the Brits with Ireland actually. Then the ira too both cuz America plays all sides. Germany had ford factory’s in war production. USA did too. Only the few bombs that weren’t accurate hit his factory’s . The nva changed that eradicating policy because it worked against them. When they steam rolled in in 75 I think, mass panic. Didn’t happen then. Red scare is all
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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My dad said they killed everyone in places at times. It was open fire zones. He said he killed women kids, even old ppl who weren’t combatants. They said, this is war. To reason. He said we made more enemies then friends in nam. They spit and said go home gi and mined kids and roads. Everyone knew too, they didn’t warn us though. We considered everyone vc
 

Olive Drab Green

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My dad said they killed everyone in places at times. It was open fire zones. He said he killed women kids, even old ppl who weren’t combatants. They said, this is war. To reason. He said we made more enemies then friends in nam. They spit and said go home gi and mined kids and roads. Everyone knew too, they didn’t warn us though. We considered everyone vc
It’s just the way it is. Hatred just kind of consumes you after a while. You watch your friends die. And the same kid you gave a blanket or a teddy bear 10 minutes ago or the old man whose hand you shook is usually the same person killing them. Happened with us, too. I don’t really want to say more than that.
 

Olive Drab Green

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Ideologically and tactically, there are a lot of similarities between ‘Nam and Afghanistan. There really is. We’re just better equipped to save casualties and overwhelm the enemy these days. Better vests and helmets, better experience with Medevacs and combat medicine, etc.
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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It’s just the way it is. Hatred just kind of consumes you after a while. You watch your friends die. And the same kid you gave a blanket or a teddy bear 10 minutes ago or the old man whose hand you shook is usually the same person killing them. Happened with us, too. I don’t really want to say more than that.
I don’t hate. I look at it now as ignorant and don’t blame the Brit ppl for it but their government. Just like we’re not to blame for Afghanistan or Iraq. It’s our war mentality monger government.
 

Olive Drab Green

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I don’t hate. I look at it now as ignorant and don’t blame the Brit ppl for it but their government. Just like we’re not to blame for Afghanistan or Iraq. It’s our war mentality monger government.
I don’t hate them anymore. It took some extreme measures, but I found peace in my confusion, and a release from my suffering and bitterness. Ayahuasca probably saved my life. I used to be addicted to amphetamines and opiates for 4 years.
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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Ideologically and tactically, there are a lot of similarities between ‘Nam and Afghanistan. There really is. We’re just better equipped to save casualties and overwhelm the enemy these days. Better vests and helmets, better experience with Medevacs and combat medicine, etc.
Flir with drones and apaches and our guided missile systems are the difference. The computer systems for armaments are unreal. We’re still slow, predictable and use our ppl as bait. Flir suits, intricate ambushes that are close enough to throw your gun, and mines will prevail though if they continue to crop more and more future fighters. It’s never ending there. They could learn though more but they are very good I hear
 

Dankonomics_genetics

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It’s just the way it is. Hatred just kind of consumes you after a while. You watch your friends die. And the same kid you gave a blanket or a teddy bear 10 minutes ago or the old man whose hand you shook is usually the same person killing them. Happened with us, too. I don’t really want to say more than that.
I understand you. No need to say more. It don’t mean a thing, just remember it as a bad dream
 
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