What's your nute ratio?

Xs121

Xs121

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truentgoon said:
Quick question, how do you know the tiger bloom label is for 1 ml it doesn't say. Tiger bloom is 2-8-4 you said the p=9 per ml. Did you mean 8? So when reading the back of a nute bottle the npk is always per 1ml?
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Is your question for me? lol

Anyway 2-8-4 is percentage not ppm

When I break down FFTB into ppm. I always use 1ml/gallon as a starting point. Some people use 5ml as a starting point. I just find it easy to mix nute when I know their ppm in 1ml/gallon.

That's how I got P=9 or 9ppm/ml/gallon

Hope that answers your question
 
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truentgoon

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Xs121 said:
Is your question for me? lol

Anyway 2-8-4 is percentage not ppm

When I break down FFTB into ppm. I always use 1ml/gallon as a starting point. Some people use 5ml as a starting point. I just find it easy to mix nute when I know their ppm in 1ml/gallon.

That's how I got P=9 or 9ppm/ml/gallon

Hope that answers your question
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Hell yeah it's for you lol. So Lucas formula 100-100-200 is ppm not percentage? What amount is that percentage for anyway lol
 
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truentgoon

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Xs121 said:
Is your question for me? lol

Anyway 2-8-4 is percentage not ppm

When I break down FFTB into ppm. I always use 1ml/gallon as a starting point. Some people use 5ml as a starting point. I just find it easy to mix nute when I know their ppm in 1ml/gallon.

That's how I got P=9 or 9ppm/ml/gallon

Hope that answers your question
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Wait how did you get the ppm for 1ml for the tiger bloom. It doesn't say that on the bottle or feeding chart. Are you using a calculator??
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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I also mix my own nutes, I run about 400ppm at 4-1-4 in early veg and I add MKP to bring it up somewhere between 4-3-6 and 4-4-7 and gradually up to about 800ppm. Mammoth P is the only other thing I use, pretty expensive but worth it.

truentgoon said:
Wait how did you get the ppm for 1ml for the tiger bloom. It doesn't say that on the bottle or feeding chart. Are you using a calculator??
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Pretty easy, really, once you learn how. Not sure he did the math right, don’t care.

The second I realized ml per liter is the same thing as parts per million it clicked for me.

ANC said:
The ideal K value will be very much temperature dependent.
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Notes for any beginners wondering what that means and how to deal with it. A bit of excess K rarely causes a problem, but running low on it, especially when temps are high, will be very hard on the plants. I always err on the side of “more” with K. Plants in high temps and low humidity tend to need more K.
 
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ANC

ANC

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I left out some other methods you can look into.

One is using malted (germinated) grains, like corn or barley or rice or anything like that to make an enzyme-rich tea,

Another source of cheap amendments is the leftover water from cooking potatoes, vegetables or rice. Just let it cool down, mix in with some water and pH.
 
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truentgoon

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Michael Huntherz said:
I also mix my own nutes, I run about 400ppm at 4-1-4 in early veg and I add MKP to bring it up somewhere between 4-3-6 and 4-4-7 and gradually up to about 800ppm. Mammoth P is the only other thing I use, pretty expensive but worth it.


Pretty easy, really, once you learn how. Not sure he did the math right, don’t care.

The second I realized ml per liter is the same thing as parts per million it clicked for me.


Notes for any beginners wondering what that means and how to deal with it. A bit of excess K rarely causes a problem, but running low on it when temps are high will be very hard on the plants. I always err on the side of “more” with K. Plants in high temps and low humidity tend to need more K.
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My mind is blown lol. I can finally do the math myself thanks to you guys.
ANC said:
I left out some other methods you can look into.

One is using malted (germinated) grains, like corn or barley or rice or anything like that to make an enzyme-rich tea,

Another source of cheap amendments is the leftover water from cooking potatoes, vegetables or rice. Just let it cool down, mix in with some water and pH.
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What method do you usually use? Like what are plants usually low on if that makes sense lol. If I'm going to use foods to make nutrients which one will I really see a boost. I have a lot of green tea.
 
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truentgoon

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Xs121 said:
It depends on your seedlings or to be safe you can start at 1/4 strength then see how your seedlings react to the nute until you reach full strength. So at 1/4 strength your ratio would be 25N-25P-50K per gallon of water.

As I've said you can use any fertilizer or brand of fertilizer doesn't have to be gh.

For example your fox farm tiger bloom has this ppm in 1ml/1gal

N - 5
P - 9
K - 8
mg-1
B -.05
Cu -.12
Fe - .3
Mn - .15
Zn - .12

So lets say this is your 1st fertilizer and we apply the Lucas formula. Among the nutrients, this fertilizer is high in Phosphorous ( P =9 ). Lucas Formula calls for P=100. So to get there, you gonna need 11ml of Fox Farm Tiger Bloom (9 ppm per ml per gallon x 11ml = 99ppm/gallon). You have to multiply the rest of the nutrients by 11 as well.

Overall, 11ml of Fox Farm Tiger Bloom will give you this ppm/gallon

N - 55
P - 99
K - 88
Mg - 11
etc.

Your ratio so far in ppm is 55-99-88
Lucas Formula calls for 100-100-200

Clearly Fox Farm Tiger Bloom is not enough. You need 1 or 2 more fertilizers to mix that are high in Nitrogen and Potassium to get close to
Lucas Formula. The fertilizer you need to mix with FFTB doesn't need to be a name brand....any fertilizer (including fertilizers from Walmart, Home Depot) as long as they are high in Nitrogen and Potassium will do.

You're paying for the hype with these name brands.

"Big Bloom" uhhuh

I mixed my own and call it Nuclear Bloom.

Cheers
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Your ppm for P for the tiger bloom seems to be off a little.

N - 5.2
P - 20.8
K - 10.4

That's for 1ml per gallon which seems a little too high in P if you ask me.
 
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truentgoon

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To be honest idk if I like fox farm nutes anymore after finding all this out.

1 tsp of tiger bloom
N - 26
P - 104
K - 52

The P is way too high how am I going to get my K to 200 without increasing P.

Then grow big 1 tsp
N - 78
P - 52
K - 52

Doesn't help much only increases N

Then FF micro which is a joke for 1 tsp you get
N - 0.13
P - 3.9
K - 9.1

Seems like fox farm doesn't like potassium. Seems like you can't do Lucas formula with fox farm nutes without a potassium supplement.


You basically have to add like 16 tsp to 1 tsp of grow or tiger bloom. Tiger bloom is worse cause its so high in P that it can't be fixed without a potassium supplement and it becomes too low in N when using tiger bloom and micro. If you try to add grow to increase N than you have too much P again.

Closest I got to Lucas with FF was 1 tsp grow big with 16 tsp (80ml!) of FF micro.
N - 104 (with 1 tsp calmag)
P - 114
K - 196

I don't think I can even use tiger bloom without a potassium supplement. Probably just going to use grow and finish the rest of my FF micro for flowering.
 
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truentgoon

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I have samples of advanced nutrients big bud with NPK of 0-1-3.

I'm just gunna use that with FF grow and finish up my FF micro than open my GH micro. Then I can use the tiger bloom with GH micro and follow the Lucas formula.

Add in 1 tsp calmag per gallon and add more if I see a deficiency. I could use the extra N while using FF micro and my tap water is soft anyway.

Thanks for all your help guys I would be lost without the forums.
 
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Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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truentgoon said:
I have samples of advanced nutrients big bud with NPK of 0-1-3.

I'm just gunna use that with FF grow and finish up my FF micro than open my GH micro. Then I can use the tiger bloom with GH micro and follow the Lucas formula.

Add in 1 tsp calmag per gallon and add more if I see a deficiency. I could use the extra N while using FF micro and my tap water is soft anyway.

Thanks for all your help guys I would be lost without the forums.
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Wow, you educated yourself pretty quickly, much respect.
Good on you, stay curious.

FF is fine, I used the FF trio on my first grow. I use those nutes for my houseplants, now. Plumeria loves Tiger Bloom.

I have become to believe ridiculously high P thing for growing cannabis is a bunch of garbage and potentially dangerous. Phosphorus is gnarly stuff, an excess of it your smoke is probably not a great idea.

I think new growers would all benefit from reading Read Spear’s book Marijuana Cultivation Revisited. His growing method suggestions are ok, deeply opinionated and not the best bit of the book. The plant biology and nutrition section is mind blowing and he correctly destroys a lot of myths you’ll encounter.

In the future try to avoid liquid nutes, unless you like paying $100 gallon for water. (Advanced Nutrients is the WORST!) You should just mail that money to me instead.
 
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Kushash

Kushash

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ANC said:
Lol yeah, never thought of it like that.
I don't know many other people that rinse off the roots on weeds to make a tea...
All that that foamy shit is root exudates.

Also, I like fermented green teas
I include a video as most people are ignorant of this method.

And the favorite vermicompost tea.
It is not about using one, rather use as many as you can to make sure you feed the widest range of elements. (why I also recommend kelp as seawater has a shitload of elements in, even gold).
Every element can activate one gene which activates one enzyme and so the chain continues. The more complete the menu of feeding elements are the closest you will get to perfect expression of the pheno.
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Great Video!

Hope you are continuing on with party cup grow ANC.

For anyone not familiar with the party cup competition we have to grow in a solo cup from start to finish.

Feeding the 1st of my 18 oz party cup plants today at day 11 from peeking out of the soil.


5 ml ( 1tsp) vermi compost
2.5 ml ( 1/2 tsp) gypsum
1.25ml (1/4 tsp) kelp meal
1.25ml (1/4 tsp) blood meal
Next watering this one will get its 1st dose of Epsom.
 
ANC

ANC

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When I buy 1000 gram of fertilizer I want 1000g of fertilizer for my money.
Not 7g of fertilizer stuffed into a liter bottle... sure it will kill your plants if you use it just like that.
But the bottom line is you are being overcharged for what you get.
 
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