Increasing the THC and CBD levels with Mn and Ir - REALLY?

[SSGrower]

@Heil Tweetler
l'd like to see that soil report sir!

Had to do testing, your correct! I expected some of them too....
Some interesting observations:

Update:
I took some clones I would have otherwise culled and did some experimenting....

BE FUCKING CAREFUL with this stuff....several points to consider.

It's way powerful vs Mel's type formula..

1 plant was treated once in veg, again at bloom transition, and again 30days. 1/4 tsp per gallon....As expected that was way too much and lock outs happened from improper relationships between compounds (from build ups - over use)
The Fe was blocked and bud development was retarded, badly...culled!

1 plant was fed the 1/4 tsp in veg and left at that. Before the last up-potting (to bloom pot). She was showing light expressions of that Fe blocking.....After up-potting. She shows that the possible problem is clearing - further time needed to qualify this observation.

1 plant was done in my SS. Does NOT work well with that at all. I rather expected that! Do not supplement with high dose's of micro's if you build SS......Possible, low amounts of use? To be further explored....say maybe a 1/8 or 1/16 tsp at the flip?

The other plants (3) were done as: 1 multi treatment at veg, and the start of bloom and at 30 days. Heavy feeding GG4 strain. Shows certain Fe blocking again. Culled, as I know what the bud formation would have done....retarded...

There were several strains already in bloom that got the treatment. No visible blocking.... Yet there appears to be some lower bud sizing for the time in bloom. Bulking is just starting so more to come on that.

Things to ponder:

I'll measure in grains for this, on any next testing.
Looking at 1/3 of 1/4 tsp as a starting point for that.
Most likely will be at transition and once halfway through bloom.

I feel this stuff will work. Just has to be inline with Mel's delivered concentration rates of application. Could be further lowering of amounts applied!

Any use in soils of an "over the counter - 30 day feeding" type. Show promise in use at low amounts used.

Not so for full on organic SS use...

Yet, any "key" to soil use, may well depend on soil testing to hit those 100 ppm per Fe and Mn levels found to be effective in other advanced growers use. This brings me to believe that building soils and using this product to reach those 100 ppm levels in the soil. May be the effective thing to do.....SS or even the "over the counter 30 day" soils.

This will be my 3rd step in testing...

You can see that this will take some time to actually nail down solid, effective, information.

I will keep you all informed.

Please use what's given so far and don't over use it. Start LOW and avoid multiple supplementing. Unless of course, your experimenting too. I hope this early info helps that as a guide...

Further observations as they arise...

Peace!

How long in veg? And at what point in veg did you feed?

I am investigating megacrop a similar 1 component mix in my, well, for lack of a better term QFORSS (quasi fucking organic recycled suplemented soil) and I noticed at the first feeding of 2g gal. (To estimate maybe 1/2 tsp.?) and they did not like it. They were 3.5 weeks from germ. and one was a reveging clone so hard to tell if it was adversely impacted.

Edit, after reviewing maybe not so similar in composition but the concept of a single componet mix.

 

[Dr. Who]

How long in veg? And at what point in veg did you feed?

I am investigating megacrop a similar 1 component mix in my, well, for lack of a better term QFORSS (quasi fucking organic recycled suplemented soil) and I noticed at the first feeding of 2g gal. (To estimate maybe 1/2 tsp.?) and they did not like it. They were 3.5 weeks from germ. and one was a reveging clone so hard to tell if it was adversely impacted.

Edit, after reviewing maybe not so similar in composition but the concept of a single componet mix.

About 3-4 weeks.

This is not a feed mix but, a micro with humic mix. The mix is a form of Mel Franks THC booster. much stronger in concentrations though.
I think you figured that out...

 

[SSGrower]

About 3-4 weeks.

This is not a feed mix but, a micro with humic mix. The mix is a form of Mel Franks THC booster. much stronger in concentrations though.
I think you figured that out...

Yeah a lack reading comprehension and memory failure on my part.

What I was actually trying to elude to with the statment about the plants not seeming to like it is like heiltweetler stated the initial concentrations and availabilty of the minerals are critical. For the last few years any time I have seen evidence of a micronutrient def, I use Bio-Genesis Mineral Matrix. Not nearly as concentrated easier but seems well tolerated in my system.


I have not used it proactively though, perhaps it is worth giving them a shot before up pot.
I am finally to the point where I am going to pay for a lab analysis of a few soil samples.

 

[Dr. Who]

Yeah a lack reading comprehension and memory failure on my part.

What I was actually trying to elude to with the statment about the plants not seeming to like it is like heiltweetler stated the initial concentrations and availabilty of the minerals are critical. For the last few years any time I have seen evidence of a micronutrient def, I use Bio-Genesis Mineral Matrix. Not nearly as concentrated easier but seems well tolerated in my system.
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I have not used it proactively though, perhaps it is worth giving them a shot before up pot.
I am finally to the point where I am going to pay for a lab analysis of a few soil samples.

Looks interesting but, for what we are trying to do here. You want the Fe and Mn to be equal.....The goal in building a soil with THC raising ability is to balance the to as close as you can and shhot for 100 ppm of each...

STILL, that formula is interesting.......I strongly prefer BIO AG products. Their source compounds are the highest quality on the market today! Any of their Fulvic/Humic products are hands down,,the best available!

 

[Chunky Stool]

Looks interesting but, for what we are trying to do here. You want the Fe and Mn to be equal.....The goal in building a soil with THC raising ability is to balance the to as close as you can and shhot for 100 ppm of each...

STILL, that formula is interesting.......I strongly prefer BIO AG products. Their source compounds are the highest quality on the market today! Any of their Fulvic/Humic products are hands down,,the best available!

Sounds like marketing hype.
Exactly how did you verify BIO AG source compounds, as well as the sources for all of their competitors?

 

[Budley Doright]

Sounds like marketing hype.
Exactly how did you verify BIO AG source compounds, as well as the sources for all of their competitors?

 

[SSGrower]

Sounds like marketing hype.
Exactly how did you verify BIO AG source compounds, as well as the sources for all of their competitors?

My bottle of Bio-Genesis has Frank Zappas pic on it

Lower left corner.

 

[Budley Doright]

My bottle of Bio-Genesis has Frank Zappas pic on it
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Lower left corner.

How could you not use that .....gotta be good

 

[Dr. Who]

Sounds like marketing hype.
Exactly how did you verify BIO AG source compounds, as well as the sources for all of their competitors?

They are really a farm supplier. They ventured into the gardening market...Been using them for as long as they have been around. Organic farmers best friends...

Build a soil is another one that says BIO AG rules the Fulvic market (Humic is just a "link" in the fulvic acid chain)....For the same reasons, source and quality.....The langbinite source is the key. There are differing lang qualities, and BIO AG uses only the highest ore % by content out there..It's their bread and butter product(s).....G&H and by far most others (including AN) uses low content and low cost Lang to use in their process of creation...Some a mid grade ore.....The other point is the concnetrations in many of these "Brand Name" nutrient makers Humic mix's....Are too weak to be seriously effective in what they claim to due! I suggest reading deeply about Fulvic and Humic acids....You'll discover what I mean about that last part....

Idiots like AN say their process makes it better.....Over blown and basically a lie! Do you like your food more processed?


Budley? You can stick Trumps finger up your ass! I could not hate anybody worse. He's the Monsatan of politics! Moron's falling for his BS tax cuts....Now his moron tariff's....."Well Trump says a trade war is good....He's kept his cam"pain" promise's. So he must be right." I actually heard that in our local watering hole.....MORON's, we're surrounded by moron's.....
Yeah, you hit a soft spot there .....

Now Frank? Oh yeah, gotta be good! lol.... He could grow music great!

 

[Dr. Who]

My bottle of Bio-Genesis has Frank Zappas pic on it
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Lower left corner.

Now Commander Cody? George F. He grows.....I mean it. He could, and does,, really grow! Friend of Frank's and he formed a fun ass band just down the road in Ann Arbor! Commander Cody and his lost planet airmen... His brother Chris, lived there a long time before his death in 92. He (George) grow's in a greenhouse and is very good at it too. His brother Chris had MS and he treated his MS with the "weed" before many knew how well it helped with the problems from MS.

He was a good friend (Chris) later in his life, and I miss him dearly....He's "Lost In The Ozone" now....
George? Haven't spoken to him since 81.......2 Triple Cheese (Side Order Of Fries)

 

[Chunky Stool]

They are really a farm supplier. They ventured into the gardening market...Been using them for as long as they have been around. Organic farmers best friends...

Build a soil is another one that says BIO AG rules the Fulvic market (Humic is just a "link" in the fulvic acid chain)....For the same reasons, source and quality.....The langbinite source is the key. There are differing lang qualities, and BIO AG uses only the highest ore % by content out there..It's their bread and butter product(s).....G&H and by far most others (including AN) uses low content and low cost Lang to use in their process of creation...Some a mid grade ore.....The other point is the concnetrations in many of these "Brand Name" nutrient makers Humic mix's....Are too weak to be seriously effective in what they claim to due! I suggest reading deeply about Fulvic and Humic acids....You'll discover what I mean about that last part....

Idiots like AN say their process makes it better.....Over blown and basically a lie! Do you like your food more processed?


Budley? You can stick Trumps finger up your ass! I could not hate anybody worse. He's the Monsatan of politics! Moron's falling for his BS tax cuts....Now his moron tariff's....."Well Trump says a trade war is good....He's kept his cam"pain" promise's. So he must be right." I actually heard that in our local watering hole.....MORON's, we're surrounded by moron's.....
Yeah, you hit a soft spot there .....

Now Frank? Oh yeah, gotta be good! lol.... He could grow music great!

WTF?
Are you OK?

 

[Budley Doright]

They are really a farm supplier. They ventured into the gardening market...Been using them for as long as they have been around. Organic farmers best friends...

Build a soil is another one that says BIO AG rules the Fulvic market (Humic is just a "link" in the fulvic acid chain)....For the same reasons, source and quality.....The langbinite source is the key. There are differing lang qualities, and BIO AG uses only the highest ore % by content out there..It's their bread and butter product(s).....G&H and by far most others (including AN) uses low content and low cost Lang to use in their process of creation...Some a mid grade ore.....The other point is the concnetrations in many of these "Brand Name" nutrient makers Humic mix's....Are too weak to be seriously effective in what they claim to due! I suggest reading deeply about Fulvic and Humic acids....You'll discover what I mean about that last part....

Idiots like AN say their process makes it better.....Over blown and basically a lie! Do you like your food more processed?


Budley? You can stick Trumps finger up your ass! I could not hate anybody worse. He's the Monsatan of politics! Moron's falling for his BS tax cuts....Now his moron tariff's....."Well Trump says a trade war is good....He's kept his cam"pain" promise's. So he must be right." I actually heard that in our local watering hole.....MORON's, we're surrounded by moron's.....
Yeah, you hit a soft spot there .....

Now Frank? Oh yeah, gotta be good! lol.... He could grow music great!

LOL, sorry doc, I supposed if he was my president I’d be pissed as well.... it was the first meme I found lol.

 

[Dr. Who]

Trump.....GRRRRRRrrrrr

Thanks Budley.....

 

[Dr. Who]

WTF?
Are you OK?

LOL, just read the first part and the last part and ignore Trump.....I know it's damn hard to do.....LMAO

 

[Budley Doright]

LOL, just read the first part and the last part and ignore Trump.....I know it's damn hard to do.....LMAO

Ya it looked likeI caused a stroke . But yup Doc, it just blows me away that he is your president, but look what we have, although he does have nicer hair, he’s still a cock waffle . How goes the girls?

 

[Dr. Who]

Ya it looked likeI caused a stroke . But yup Doc, it just blows me away that he is your president, but look what we have, although he does have nicer hair, he’s still a cock waffle . How goes the girls?

Very good sir.... New things right around the corner....I can't wait to get my hands on real, first (and only) issue Sunday Driver! She's almost here!