LED Thread regarding stalk weight difference between LED & HPS

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growin-Jables

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20180206_170515.jpg 20180218_232921.jpg Screenshot_20180308-202252.png When I researched it only Phillips made the bulb... What other manufacturers are manufacturing the CMH bulb now? The picture in the advertisement you posted to this thread uses the Phillips CMH bulb... The Phillips CMH bulb has come down alot in price but still seems to be more than double the price of an HPS with equivalent wattage.[/QUOTE]

There are a few manufacturers for cmh bulbs. All kinds actually. 315w. 3100k and 4200k there's companies making 630w DE. Now there is a 1000w DE. Bulb available . Phillips just makes the best 315w bulbs. I run dual 3100k in 4x4....great results.. this blue dream was one of my best ever. Terps are incredible. The sugar leaves had trichs just caked on there so I trimmed slightly less than usual . Yielded 6.5 ozs of one plant taking up a 2x2 space
 
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sparkygeek

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CobKits said:
well i guess we're done here. if you have a specific question you want me to answer, go ahead and ask it. pretty sure i answered the rest multiple times and even went as far as creating a nice sized list of reputable LED fixture manufacturers that are likely 50% more efficient than your mystery box fixture... but we'll never know, as mentioned above you still wont tell us what it is.
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Yes, we are done here... I must have missed your helpful charts when I was buried in bullshit... You are extremely unprofessional... Untrustworthy
 
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sparkygeek

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Johnny Lawrence said:
No, he cut up your quotes so that he could answer each part of your post specifically. He did so in an attempt to be helpful and educate you. He also did so for clarity - sorta like what I'm doing here.


What is your goal? You are seriously all over the place. Nobody understands you.


Huh?


See, and this is the problem. First you were claiming it was a "first gen COB", whatever the fuck that means. now you're claiming it's tech from last year. Well, until you tell us specifics about your COB, which you have failed to do for page upon page now, nobody can discuss COB technology with you.

Again, what type of COB is it? Driver? If you bought a pre-built COB, who was the manufacturer? What's it say on the outside of the case? Model number?


He passed on it because you aren't providing specifics. Why are you being so shady? Just tell us what type of COB you bought. Why is this so difficult?


This is laugh-out-loud funny, when you consider who you're responding to.

No, seriously - good stuff. Comedy gold.


You've lost the plot, son.
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Some ridiculous poster(s) on this board cut quotes to try and change the meaning of a post... Since I choose my words very carefully, I don't have time to double-check the accuracy of the cutup quote. I'm only responding here because you actually provided something to respond to rather than your typical whiny rants.

I'm suggesting the gap in understanding is related to the individual posting. (Of which I doubt there is an separate individual for each user posting.) Most people ask a question when they don't understand something. That's one way a person learns... (Although I admit there is probably no hope for you anyway!)

My goal on RIU is to learn and share what I know. I guess watching the hype-ster(s) on this thread toy with the NOOBS , I felt obligated to point out the bullshit! So sorry you take offense to someone pointing out your bullshit! Your point about nobody understanding me supports my point that there are way more users chiming in on this thread than actual people. When I don't understand something, I am not afraid to ask!

If there was any value describing my COB test I would... While I believe it is indicative of what was available off the shelf last year, it's really only of value in providing a data point for monitoring the progress of the technology's progression... The fact that it contradicts your LED bullshit was just a fortunate coincidence. For example, the most important thing it said on the outside of the case was bullshit, 200 watts, 400 watts comparable. A fantasy that you seem to want to cling to.

Not difficult at all to tell you the COB I used... There is just no need to. The number of NOOBS you have dogged on about their junk LED systems show clearly your understanding that commercially available LED systems are not comparable to HPS.

You may want to consider how telling it is that you speak for so many people... Troll much!
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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sparkygeek said:
Some ridiculous poster(s) on this board cut quotes to try and change the meaning of a post... Since I choose my words very carefully, I don't have time to double-check the accuracy of the cutup quote. I'm only responding here because you actually provided something to respond to rather than your typical whiny rants.

I'm suggesting the gap in understanding is related to the individual posting. (Of which I doubt there is an separate individual for each user posting.) Most people ask a question when they don't understand something. That's one way a person learns... (Although I admit there is probably no hope for you anyway!)

My goal on RIU is to learn and share what I know. I guess watching the hype-ster(s) on this thread toy with the NOOBS , I felt obligated to point out the bullshit! So sorry you take offense to someone pointing out your bullshit! Your point about nobody understanding me supports my point that there are way more users chiming in on this thread than actual people. When I don't understand something, I am not afraid to ask!

If there was any value describing my COB test I would... While I believe it is indicative of what was available off the shelf last year, it's really only of value in providing a data point for monitoring the progress of the technology's progression... The fact that it contradicts your LED bullshit was just a fortunate coincidence. For example, the most important thing it said on the outside of the case was bullshit, 200 watts, 400 watts comparable. A fantasy that you seem to want to cling to.

Not difficult at all to tell you the COB I used... There is just no need to. The number of NOOBS you have dogged on about their junk LED systems show clearly your understanding that commercially available LED systems are not comparable to HPS.

You may want to consider how telling it is that you speak for so many people... Troll much!
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So simply put your an ass clown. If it’s not difficult to tell someone the light you used then why don’t you? Embrassed? Possibly that’s the case and to call @CobKits unprofessional that’s unwarranted. He gave you good information. It seems to me you need to crawl back into the hole whence you came. You have consistently proven you have nothing of valve to add other than the “ it’s my way or the highway” mentality.
 
Johnny Lawrence

Johnny Lawrence

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sparkygeek said:
. For example, the most important thing it said on the outside of the case was bullshit, 200 watts, 400 watts comparable. A fantasy that you seem to want to cling to.
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And this right here is why you're a stupid fucking douche.

If you bought a 200 watt "cob" that was advertised as being comparable to 400 watts, then you bought a shitty, cheap "cob" off of Amazon or something. No reputable manufacturer of COBs or PCBs is going to advertise that their fixture is equal to double their output.

In other words, you bought a cheap, shitty light that is no way representative of current COB tech. And that is why you continue to refuse to provide specifics about your light - because you know you got suckered into buying garbage and now you feel stupid for doing so. Am I wrong? If so, providing specifics on your light is one easy way to shut me up. You game?


"A fantasy you seem to want to cling to" - How about you link to a single quote from me stating that LEDs are good for double their output. That's your stupid fantasy, not mine. Get a grip.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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CobKits said:
"problem"? how much more efficient than HID would you like them to be?
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They arent and never will be noob, look around here at the hps grows

CobKits said:
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science all day bro. diode voltage is no more limiting than electrochemical voltage in batteries. you start your car everyday on 2V lead acid cells and run your laptop all day on 3.7V li-ion cells. the largest solar arrays in the world and every electric car out there also uses low-voltage cells in series, no big deal and zero reason to find a higher voltage basis.
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Science that means your stuck with 3 and 5watt leds meaning your penetration is still shit, avoid the question much little science man...!

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its a good thing that every LED is equal. how foolish i have been to grow so much with them after the UFOs i bought in 2007 were only as good as the HPS they replaced
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Still quoting bs facts that most dont support here.

overall your a knob, trying to belittle and avoiding the obvious statements, work in a hydro shop much....!
 
Ghost of Davy Jones

Ghost of Davy Jones

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Johnny Lawrence said:
And this right here is why you're a stupid fucking douche.

If you bought a 200 watt "cob" that was advertised as being comparable to 400 watts, then you bought a shitty, cheap "cob" off of Amazon or something. No reputable manufacturer of COBs or PCBs is going to advertise that their fixture is equal to double their output.

In other words, you bought a cheap, shitty light that is no way representative of current COB tech. And that is why you continue to refuse to provide specifics about your light - because you know you got suckered into buying garbage and now you feel stupid for doing so. Am I wrong? If so, providing specifics on your light is one easy way to shut me up. You game?


"A fantasy you seem to want to cling to" - How about you link to a single quote from me stating that LEDs are good for double their output. That's your stupid fantasy, not mine. Get a grip.
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Oh Stop it! You are so mean. All you ever do is argue with people about how dumb they are because of the light they chose. Leave it alone already.
 
twagner23

twagner23

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I am thinking of moving to LED but am having a hard time justifying it right now price wise, someone help me (please note I am not interested in building my own). A quality fixture to cover my 4x4 area will cost me roughly $900 - $1000. If I saved even 40% on my electric bill over my 600 watt HPS I might save about $40 a month, and that is stretching it. At $40 a month it would take over 3 years to get my money back running it 8 months a year. After 3 years it isn't guaranteed that the LED will be performing at optimum levels, at least I can just change out my HPS bulb when it starts going out. Not saying that LED isn't the way to go for people, just having a hard time justifying the numbers for myself. As others have said, quality LED pricing is still a bit high for those not running a 24/7/365 operation. If they dropped closer to the $500 range I would make a move.
 
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JimmyTheNewb

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I use both LED and HPS and they both have their pros and cons. From my experience LED puts out the best quality the densest buds and the tightest nodes but in my opinion can't compare to HPS on weight. I'm speaking about blurple LEDs not Cobbs
 
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