Additives that raise ph

[truentgoon]

Silica is the only additive I heard so far that raises ph are there any others? Or is silica the best one and should I just get that. How much does it raise ph would I still need ph up.

I find myself using 15-20 drops of ph up to get my ph from 5.4ish to 5.9-6.0 for my coco. What do you recommend or should I just use ph up. Just started using Lucas with double calmag after seeing deficiencies. Thanks guys appreciate it.

 

[dongle69]

Olympus Up from Nectar for the Gods is both a "ph up" and a source of calcium.
Coco loves it.

 

[GreenLogician]

Canna Rhizotonic

 

[truentgoon]

Olympus Up from Nectar for the Gods is both a "ph up" and a source of calcium.
Coco loves it.

Canna Rhizotonic

Both really good suggestions I'll check them both out. Never knew the Olympus up had calcium in it that would solve all my problems.

The extra calcium would go well with my Dolomite to offset the Mg plus I'm getting a ph up which is perfect. Do you think I would still need calmag with that. If anything I'll go light with the calmag if I use Olympus up.

Demeters destiny for a calmag supplement may go along with Olympus up. When I run out of calmag plus I'm going to check that out.

Nectar for the gods sample pack comes with Olympus up and Herculean along with a few more products for $30. I believe it comes with demeters destiny so that would be a good buy.

The Herculean is high in P so idk if I can use that as a calmag supplement.

 

[truentgoon]

So far the product suggestions to raise ph.

1. Olympus up
2. Canna Rhizotonic
3. Silica

Very interesting choices to raise ph and to stop using GH ph up. Makes me curious about the other additives like yucca, molasses/sugars, kelp, humic/fulvic. Although just getting one of those 3 sounds more simple and cheaper.

 

[truentgoon]

Not to go off topic or start a fight. @8:45 in the 3rd video he explains that molasses products such as black strap are too big to be used by mycorrhizae or the plant itself.

 

[dongle69]

From Nectar, I have been using Demeters Destiny, Olympus Up, and Bloom Khaos (Khaos will use up all available calcium).
Demeters pulls the mag from the coco.
Although you shouldn't be seeing deficiencies with Lucas and coco.
Not sure why you had to double dose cal-mag.
Are you top feeding with runoff?
And yes, molasses is one of those old wives tales, not to be used how many people instruct.
If you had to only pick one (fulvic, seaweed, sugars, etc), fulvic is the key (BioAg Ful-Power is high quality).
If you want everything in one tonic, Liquid Karma has all that plus the yucca.

 

[truentgoon]

From Nectar, I have been using Demeters Destiny, Olympus Up, and Bloom Khaos (Khaos will use up all available calcium).
Demeters pulls the mag from the coco.
Although you shouldn't be seeing deficiencies with Lucas and coco.
Not sure why you had to double dose cal-mag.
Are you top feeding with runoff?
And yes, molasses is one of those old wives tales, not to be used how many people instruct.
If you had to only pick one (fulvic, seaweed, sugars, etc), fulvic is the key (BioAg Ful-Power is high quality).
If you want everything in one tonic, Liquid Karma has all that plus the yucca.

That's a good combo with the nectar nice and simple. I wonder what's in bloom chaos.

I'm actually not using double calmag with Lucas just yet I was before with the feeding chart. Just using the 1 tsp per gallon of calmag with Lucas for a couple weeks and it's still kind of early to tell with the Lucas it could had been from the feeding chart and now it's fixing itself. But some of the bottom leaves are turning rusty brown then crispy and dying.

Yeah I'm top feeding with good runoff using a full gallon per 3 gallon pot.

Dude I was actually looking into the liquid karma and bioag fulvic that's a great idea to keep things simple I like your style. I had a feeling just the bottle of fulvic was key.

Quick question, what do you think about mycorrhizae and coco? Because I reuse my coco with cannazyme.

Also about the Olympus up, it's somewhat pricey. Right now I have to use 3/4 tsp of GH ph up per half gallon. Idk how strong that Olympus up is but if it's like GH ph up it might be cheaper just to get a bottle of the GH cause 3 1/4 tsp per 1/2 gallon is crazy.

I'm using tiger bloom and GH gro for the Lucas so I can finish up the bottle of tiger. My ppm is 104-104-220 per gallon. Ph gets to 5.9-6.0 when I mix it in a pitcher with 2000ml of 60ppm tap.

 

[dongle69]

Quick question, what do you think about mycorrhizae and coco? Because I reuse my coco with cannazyme.

A beneficial of some sort is 100% helpful. Mycorrhizae is more important as roots are forming.

I don't use any mycorrhizae in flower. I like SLF-100 because it is both an enzyme and it contains several species of bacteria.
The top 4 in it are:
Pseudomonas putida - Phosphor solubilizer - amazing bacteria, also an antagonist for pythium and fusarium.
Virgibacillus pantothenticus - production of ectoine and proline, causes plants to adapt to environmental stressors - among many other things
Bacillus thuringiensis - helps with some pests - also has anti-pathogenic properties.
Bacillus subtillus - All around powerhouse, prevents root rot and increases nutrient uptake.

 

[dongle69]

Also about the Olympus up, it's somewhat pricey. Right now I have to use 3/4 tsp of GH ph up per half gallon. Idk how strong that Olympus up is but if it's like GH ph up it might be cheaper just to get a bottle of the GH cause 3 1/4 tsp per 1/2 gallon is crazy.
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The GH is pretty mild from what I recall. The Oly Up does seem relatively strong. I don't have to use much but I haven't compared them at the same time.
A main benefit of Oly Up is you can pour it straight in your nutrient mix without fear of killing beneficials like a standard PH up can. Plus the calcium!
You could always dilute the GH up in water first if you want to stick with that.

 

[truentgoon]

A beneficial of some sort is 100% helpful. Mycorrhizae is more important as roots are forming.

I don't use any mycorrhizae in flower. I like SLF-100 because it is both an enzyme and it contains several species of bacteria.
The top 4 in it are:
Pseudomonas putida - Phosphor solubilizer - amazing bacteria, also an antagonist for pythium and fusarium.
Virgibacillus pantothenticus - production of ectoine and proline, causes plants to adapt to environmental stressors - among many other things
Bacillus thuringiensis - helps with some pests - also has anti-pathogenic properties.
Bacillus subtillus - All around powerhouse, prevents root rot and increases nutrient uptake.

Thanks for that detailed info about mycorrhizae. I'll put that slf-100 on my wishlist I would have never known about that product.

The GH is pretty mild from what I recall. The Oly Up does seem relatively strong. I don't have to use much but I haven't compared them at the same time.
A main benefit of Oly Up is you can pour it straight in your nutrient mix without fear of killing beneficials like a standard PH up can. Plus the calcium!
You could always dilute the GH up in water first if you want to stick with that.

I found out the reason I had to use so much ph up was because I was using it after I put in the nutes. I wasn't adding the ph up to my bucket of water. I think thats what your saying by diluting it with the water first.

The GH ph up does seem mild. The oly up you pay about $7 more but the calcium seems like a really nice bonus for coco.

Wait your saying this whole time when I was adding ph up after mixing the nutes I was killing the food? Or you mean killing beneficials like the mycorrhizae in the water. Don't tell me I was killing the base nutrients this whole time with ph up lol.

 

[dongle69]

Well you can't kill the food...
It is possible to get some lockout when added directly (you will see a cloud in the water).
Undiluted ph products can definitely kill the living beneficials, though (at least the ones that are contacted directly).
Same with silica.

 

[cottee]

I use rhizoctonic if I use to much PH down. It’s good for them too! Heard bad thing about silica.

 

[churchhaze]

KOH (potassium hydroxide) flakes for hydro. Why would you use anything else.

 

[truentgoon]

Well you can't kill the food...
It is possible to get some lockout when added directly (you will see a cloud in the water).
Undiluted ph products can definitely kill the living beneficials, though (at least the ones that are contacted directly).
Same with silica.

I use rhizoctonic if I use to much PH down. It’s good for them too! Heard bad thing about silica.

I didn't know silica was so frowned apon lol.
That's 2 votes for rhizotonic it must be good stuff.

 

[ANC]

I actually like using silica in veg, but not with every feed. Maybe once a week or so... Worked great for our heatwaves.
One thing you need to be careful with is silica and supercropping. It makes the stems really strong and rigid. you have to gently work it till the fibers soften or it will snap branches off.
I don't need any pH adjusting as I am in flower now. Most of the fertilizers automatically buffer the water to good pH levels when you get to flowering dose ppm levels.

Maybe get a hardness test from the pet shop aquarium section. Sometimes if the hardness is way off you will need a shitload of stuff to move the pH and have it stay there.

 

[cottee]

I didn't know silica was so frowned apon lol.
That's 2 votes for rhizotonic it must be good stuff.

I’ve read that it causes fluctuations of ph in the medium.It may work for some people but try to keep my nute mix simple now. The more shit I add in the mix the more problems I get so I just keep it simple and I get healthier plants.

 

[churchhaze]

Oh wait, don't use potassium hydroxide. That's too simple and it makes too much sense. Instead, find some high priced culinary item that has weak basic properties and use that instead. That seems to be how things work around here.

 

[vostok]

Oh wait, don't use potassium hydroxide. That's too simple and it makes too much sense. Instead, find some high priced culinary item that has weak basic properties and use that instead. That seems to be how things work around here.

My translators fucked so I'm gonna steal this and put it here .....lol

https://www.rollitup.org/t/powder-mildew-at-the-end-of-week-6.960772/page-3#post-14136721

arguing over the same fucking stuff ...but different trade name ....lolol

cheers/

 

[truentgoon]

Oh wait, don't use potassium hydroxide. That's too simple and it makes too much sense. Instead, find some high priced culinary item that has weak basic properties and use that instead. That seems to be how things work around here.

Doesn't Lucas have a decent amount of K in it already why would you need more.